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Evolutionists claim that a fully terrestrial animal like Pakicetus (50 mya) evolved into a fully aquatic animal like the Basilosaurids (40 mya), which is roughly 10 million years.
I thought you were talking about whales. As in modern whales. Which are quite different from their 40 million year old ancestors.
After all, you DID say "whale". The quote I was responding to, did not mention a 40myo creature. It just said "fully aquatic whale". So I assumed you were talking about modern whales.
You either don't understand the subject matter or you're being purposefully obtuse to confuse readers. Which is it?
Neither. I thought you were talking about getting from a fully terrestrial animal to a modern whale in 10 million years.
This is what evolutionists do when they get backed into a corner. Instead of taking on the central thrust of their opposition's arguments, they throw up a cloud of dust that muddies the issue.
Uhu, uhu.
Thrash talk aside, in this case it was a misunderstanding on what you meant.
It sounds like you're saying 10 million years is an insufficient amount of time for a fully terrestrial -> fully aquatic transformation to take place???
No, that's not what I said at all.
... and that 50 million years is enough time... Why? Does 50 million just *feel* better to you? More space to assuage the imagination?
I don't think I said anything about what is possible or not. Frankly, I wouldn't know either. While I consider that I have a good enough grasp on evolution to be able to understand and explain it in laymen's terms (and to use and develop genetic algoritms while understanding how and why it works), I'm not knowledgeable enough to make judgement calls on that particular topic.
I was just talking about the known facts. As said, I thought you were saying from the terrestrial ancestor to the modern whale in 10 million years. The facts say 50 million.
This is why Evolution is so funny. When it comes to large-scale body-plan changes, it's not based on anything resembling a hard science with rigid parameters describing maximum loads on anatomical change within X time, with regard to the powers of natural selection... This is when Evolution simply turns into imagineering and storytelling.
Every bone in whales is traceable in its fossil ancestors. We can even, through comparable anatomy, trace its equivalents in land animals. And then there's all the genetic data.
You seem to be saying that all this is just guess work. This is off course false.
And by the way, there is evidence (recently discovered jawbone fossil) of fully aquatic Basilosaurids or similar species that may push back your mystical whale transformation to under 5 million years.
Going aquatic doesn't seem that radical a change to me.
It happened lots of times in evolutionary history.
Sounds like your biggest problem is incredulity.
Oh let me guess... suddenly you don't even need the 10 million years that you scoffed at previously. Now the magical natural-selection fairies can do their work in under 5 million, right?
No, I already cleared up this misunderstanding in previous paragraphes.
Don't even worry yourself thinking about this... Remember, you already know it's true because Evolution is a fact!
Evolution, in the sense of common ancestry, is indeed a genetic fact.
Evolution, in the sense of the theory of descent with modification followed by selection, is the model that explains that fact.
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