DID JESUS REALLY BREAK ANY OF GOD'S LAW?

[expos4ever]

Jesus was a product of his times and culture and we in the modern west have been careless in understanding the implications. On a surface reading, Matthew 5:18 is indeed a challenge to those of us who think the Law of Moses has been retired. Those who hold the opposing view have their own challenges to face, such as Ephesians 2:15 (and Romans 7) which declare the abolition of the Law of Moses.

Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18"For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven

How can one read this text and think that the Law of Moses has been set aside, given that heaven and earth are still here?

There is a way to faithfully read this text and still claim that Law of Moses was retired 2000 years ago as Paul so forcefully argues (e.g. Eph 2:15): In Hebrew culture, “end of the world” language was commonly used metaphorically to invest commonplace events with theological significance.

This is not mere speculation – we have concrete evidence. Isaiah writes:

For the stars of heaven and their constellations
Will not flash forth their light;
The sun will be dark when it rises
And the moon will not shed its light

What was going on? Babylon was being destroyed, never to be rebuilt. There are other examples of use of “end of the world” imagery to describe much more “mundane” events within the present space-time manifold.

So it is possible that Jesus is not referring to the destruction of matter, space, and time as the criteria for the retirement of the Law. But what might He mean here? What is the real event for which “heaven and earth passing away” is an apocalyptic metaphor?

It is Jesus’ death on the Cross where He proclaims “It is accomplished”. Note how this dovetails perfectly with the 5:18 declaration that the Law would remain until all is accomplished. Seeing things this way allows us to honour the established tradition of metaphorical end-of-the-world imagery and to take Paul at his word in his many statements which clearly denote the work of Jesus as the point in time at which Law of Moses was retired.

 

[Saint Steven]

Jesus was a product of his times and culture and we in the modern west have been careless in understanding the implications. On a surface reading, Matthew 5:18 is indeed a challenge to those of us who think the Law of Moses has been retired. Those who hold the opposing view have their own challenges to face, such as Ephesians 2:15 (and Romans 7) which declare the abolition of the Law of Moses.

Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18"For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven

How can one read this text and think that the Law of Moses has been set aside, given that heaven and earth are still here?

There is a way to faithfully read this text and still claim that Law of Moses was retired 2000 years ago as Paul so forcefully argues (e.g. Eph 2:15): In Hebrew culture, “end of the world” language was commonly used metaphorically to invest commonplace events with theological significance.

This is not mere speculation – we have concrete evidence. Isaiah writes:

For the stars of heaven and their constellations
Will not flash forth their light;
The sun will be dark when it rises
And the moon will not shed its light

What was going on? Babylon was being destroyed, never to be rebuilt. There are other examples of use of “end of the world” imagery to describe much more “mundane” events within the present space-time manifold.

So it is possible that Jesus is not referring to the destruction of matter, space, and time as the criteria for the retirement of the Law. But what might He mean here? What is the real event for which “heaven and earth passing away” is an apocalyptic metaphor?

It is Jesus’ death on the Cross where He proclaims “It is accomplished”. Note how this dovetails perfectly with the 5:18 declaration that the Law would remain until all is accomplished. Seeing things this way allows us to honour the established tradition of metaphorical end-of-the-world imagery and to take Paul at his word in his many statements which clearly denote the work of Jesus as the point in time at which Law of Moses was retired.

It seems to me that Matt.5:17 is best explained in Jesus' own words in this related post-resurrection scripture. It is the fulfillment of the prophetic aspect of the books of the Law and the books of the Prophets. He adds, the Psalms. (the book of)

Luke 24:44
He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Jesus was a product of his times and culture and we in the modern west have been careless in understanding the implications. On a surface reading, Matthew 5:18 is indeed a challenge to those of us who think the Law of Moses has been retired. Those who hold the opposing view have their own challenges to face, such as Ephesians 2:15 (and Romans 7) which declare the abolition of the Law of Moses.

Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18"For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven

How can one read this text and think that the Law of Moses has been set aside, given that heaven and earth are still here?

There is a way to faithfully read this text and still claim that Law of Moses was retired 2000 years ago as Paul so forcefully argues (e.g. Eph 2:15): In Hebrew culture, “end of the world” language was commonly used metaphorically to invest commonplace events with theological significance.

This is not mere speculation – we have concrete evidence. Isaiah writes:

For the stars of heaven and their constellations
Will not flash forth their light;
The sun will be dark when it rises
And the moon will not shed its light

What was going on? Babylon was being destroyed, never to be rebuilt. There are other examples of use of “end of the world” imagery to describe much more “mundane” events within the present space-time manifold.

So it is possible that Jesus is not referring to the destruction of matter, space, and time as the criteria for the retirement of the Law. But what might He mean here? What is the real event for which “heaven and earth passing away” is an apocalyptic metaphor?

It is Jesus’ death on the Cross where He proclaims “It is accomplished”. Note how this dovetails perfectly with the 5:18 declaration that the Law would remain until all is accomplished. Seeing things this way allows us to honour the established tradition of metaphorical end-of-the-world imagery and to take Paul at his word in his many statements which clearly denote the work of Jesus as the point in time at which Law of Moses was retired.

Hi expos4ever,

Depends what you mean by law of Moses? In the OLD COVENANT, the Shadow laws from the MOASIAC BOOK of the COVENANT for remission of sin are not the same as God's eternal LAW (the 10 commandments) that give us a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4)

Scripture support 1 click me.
Scripture support 2 click me.

You mix up the Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT that pointed to Jesus and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT with GOD'S ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandment) that give us a KNOWLEDGE of good and evil, SIN and rightouensess (Romans 3:20). Without God's LAW there would be no knowledge of sin and no need of a Saviour.

Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Fair enough. I'll get to the point. You had erroneously concluded that Matt.5:17 was claiming that the law had not been abolished. That's not what the verse says. You were neglecting to account for the second half of the phrase, "or the Prophets". I wanted you to explain how that fit in your claim. Since it quite obviously doesn't.

Compare these scriptures to discover the answer to this question about what it was referring to. (the books of the Law, not the law itself)

Luke 16:16
“The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John. Since that time, the good news of the kingdom of God is being preached, and everyone is forcing their way into it. ​

Matthew 11:13
For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John.

Matthew 22:40
All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

Matthew 7:12
So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

John 1:45
Philip found Nathanael and told him, “We have found the one Moses wrote about in the Law, and about whom the prophets also wrote—Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.”

Matthew 5:17
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Luke 24:44
He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”

Hello Steve,

Can you explain which OLD COVENANT laws in your view, are being spoken of in the scriptures you have posted above and how you interpret these scriptures?

Do you interpret these laws as...

1. God's LAW (10 Commandments)?
2. The MOSAIC laws for remission of sin?

and how do you apply these scriptures?

Just asking how you interpret the above scriptures before I respond with God's WORD. So I do not misunderstand your post.

May God help you as you seek him through his Word.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Here's one I introduced to the discussion and you attempted to explain away.
Galatians 3:23-25
Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law,
locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed.
24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.
25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Not really Steve,

You tried to use the scripture you posted above to justify your belief that God's 10 Commandments are abolished. You were then shown through the scriptures that when PAUL speaks in GALATIANS 3:23-25 he is not saying that FAITH ABOLISHES or sets aside God's LAW. This would contradict what he is saying in other parts of God's WORD (e.g Romans 3:31).

For example let's look at these scriptures...

GALATIANS 3:23-25 [23], Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. [24], So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. [25], Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

This is saying that BEFORE FAITH in CHRIST comes God's LAW gives us a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is and shows us that we are all sinners in need of s Saviour (Romans 3:20). God's LAW is our teacher to lead us to Christ (the Saviour) that we might be justified by FAITH. When Faith is come we are no longer "UNDER THE LAW" means condemned by the law because we have been forgiven (Justified) by FAITH.

What does it mean to be "Under the Law"?

ROMANS 3:19-20 [19], Now we know that what things soever the law said, it said to them who are UNDER THE LAW: THAT EVERY MOUTH MAY BE STOPPED AND ALL THE WORLD MAY BECOME GUILTY BEDFORE GOD. [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Now notice the next scripture from PAUL and read it very carefully...

GALATIANS 3:25 BUT AFTER FAITH IS COME, we are no longer under a schoolmaster [the LAW] * See ROMANS 3:19 = UNDER THE LAW MEANS UNDER THE CONDEMNATION OF THE LAW.

PAUL is not saying God's 10 commandments are ABOLISHED or done away with as shown further here...

ROMANS 3:31 [31], DO WE ABOLISH THE LAW THROUGH FAITH GOD FORBID: YES, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.

To BELIEVE God's LAW is ABOLISHED you is like saying JESUS, PAUL, JAMES and JOHN are all lying. Who do we believe you of God's WORD? Sorry Steve, God's WORD disagrees with your teachings.

SCRIPTURE SUPPORT HERE Click me.

Something to think about...

1 JOHN 2:3-4 [3], And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. [4], He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

May God help you as you seek him through his WORD.

Galatians 2:16 know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.

Not sure why you post this. No one is saying, teaching or believing that we are justified or saved by the works of the law. WE are only saved by GRACE through FAITH and not of ourselves it is a GIFT of GOD and not of WORKS lest any man should boast (Ephesians 2:8).

Some people do not know what GRACE is for however...

.............

WHAT IS GRACE FOR?

ROMANS 1:5, By whom we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name.

ROMANS 6:1-2, [1] What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. [2], How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

.............

DOES FAITH ABOLISH GOD'S LAW?

ROMANS 3:31 [31], Do we then ABOLISH THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: YES, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.

.............

Sorry Steve God's WORD disagrees with you.

May God help you as you seek him through his Word.


Hope this helps

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Hi Steve, nice to see you again. Some comments for your consideration below.

You didn't answer my question about your use of the Clear Word Adventist Bible translation. I'll have to assume you are but do not want that fact revealed.

Are you asking this question as a smoke screen to avoid answering the other posts and scriptures that disagree with your teaching that God's 10 Commandments are ABOLISHED?

For the record I use the GREEK and HEBREW and multiple translations and no I do not own a clear word bible .

...............

Your challenge is to reconcile your belief that God's LAW (10 Commandments) has been ABOLISHED with the teachings of JESUS, PAUL, PETER, JAMES and JOHN who all disagree with you...

Jesus taught the 10 commandments

1. Jesus kept God’s Law (10 commandments) and said the Law and the prophets would not pass away (Matthew 5:17-18)
2. Jesus taught others to follow the 10 commandments (Mark 10:17-21)
3. Jesus taught that Love is the fulfilling (doing) of God’s Law (10 commandments Matthew 22:36-40)
4. If we break God’s Law by following man-made traditions we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
5. Jesus says if we commit sin we are a servant of sin and he has come to free us from sin (John 8:32-36)
6. Jesus taught if you love God you will keep God’s Law and abide in His Love (John 14:15; 15:10
7. If anyone is breaking any of God’s commandments and teaching others to do so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven <least = lost> (Matthew 5:19)
8. No one can obey God’s Law producing the fruit of obedience of ourselves and unless we abide in Jesus we can do nothing (John 15:4-10)

Paul affirms the Ten Commandments

1. Paul teaches God's people keep the Sabbath Hebrews 4.
2. Paul tells gentiles that "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of GOD" 1 Corinthians 7:19
3. Paul tells gentiles "it is not the HEARERS of the Law that are just before God but the DOERS of the Law will be justified... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge all mankind" Romans 2:13-16
4. Paul asks that gentiles consider the doctrine of LAW "Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the Law of God" Romans 3:31
5. Paul tells ALL Christians that it is only the lost who will "not subject themselves to the Law of God neither indeed CAN they" Romans 8:6-8
6 Paul reaches all Christians under the NEW Covenant that God's LAW as known in Jer 31:31-33 is "written on the heart and mind" Hebrews 8:7-11
7. Paul tells all Christians that the OT text is to be used for Doctrine 2 Timothy 3:16
AND He never claims that "if I did not write it -- it is not scripture for us today" -- as one or two have imagined for us.
8. Paul tells all Christians that the 5th commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise" Ephesians 6:1-2 and is binding on all Christians.
9. God's Law (10 commandments) are holy, just and good (Romans 7:12)
10. God's Law gives us a knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20; 7:7)
11. The penalty of breaking God's Law without Jesus is death (Romans 6:23)
12. If we break God's Law we dishonor God (Romans 2:23)
13. If we sin we are "under the Law" and guilty before God (Romans 3:19)
14. We are saved by faith but our faith establishes the Law in us (Romans 3:31)
15. If we are saved by grace we should not break God's Law (Romans 6:1-7)
16. We should not break God's Law if we are under grace (Romans 6:15)
17. We are to serve the Law of God through the mind because that is where sin starts (Romans 6:17; 7:25; 8:4; 12:2)
18. It is God's Law that brings us to Jesus (Galatians 3:24)
19. God's salvation frees us from sin so we can be obedient to God's Law and live a life of holiness (Romans 6:22)
20. We will be judged by God's Law and only those that are obedient will be justified because of their faith (Romans 2:4-13)
21. God's Law can only be obeyed through love and a changed heart which comes by faith in God's Word (Romans 2:21-29; 13:9-10; Hebrews 8:9-10)
22. If we break God's Law and are in unrepentant sin we will be lost and will received God's judgements (Hebrews 10:26-27)

John affirms the 10 commandments

1. John says it is only by keeping God’s 10 commandments that we know that we know God (1 John 2:3)
2. If someone says that they know God and do not keep God’s 10 commandments they are lying and not telling the truth (1 John 2:4)
3. We should purify ourselves as Jesus is pure (1 John 3:3)
4. Sin is the breaking of God’s 10 commandments (1 John 3:4)
5. Whoever is abiding in Christ does not commit sin (1 John 3:6; John 15:4-10)
6. If you are in unrepentant sin you have not seen Jesus or know him (1 John 3:6)
7. John warns us that only those that are obedience to God’s Law are his true followers (1 John 3:7)
8. If someone is committing unrepentant sin they are following the devil and not God (1 John 3:7)
9. If you are born of God and abiding in him you will not commit sin (1 John 3:9; 1 John 3:6; John 15:4-10
10. It is the keeping of God’s commandments that is the difference between those that are following God and those that are not following God (1 John 3:10; 1 John 5:3)
11. It is only by Love through faith that we can keep God’s commandments (1 John 5:3-4)
12. God’s true believers in the end days will keep all of God’s commandments through faith in Jesus (Rev 14:12; 22:14)

James also affirms the 10 commandments

1. James says God’s Law (10 commandments) are a Royal Law (James 2:8)
2. If we break one of God’s commandments we a guilty before God as sinners breaking all of God’s Law and gave some examples of breaking God’s Law (James 2:9-11)
3. James says God’s Law is a law of liberty and freedom (James 2:12)
4. The 10 commandments (God’s Law) are the standard in the judgment (James 2:12)
5. If our faith does not have the fruit of obedience to God’s Law it is dead and not true faith (James 2:16-26)

Peter affirms the 10 commandments……..

1. Sanctification is to obedience to God’s Law (1 Peter 1:2)
2. We can only be changed from sin to obedience to God’s Law by the power of God and it will be revealed in the last days (1 Peter 1:5)
3. We should give up our sins to be holy because Jesus is holy (1 Peter 1:13-16)
4. Jesus is your example who did no sin (1 Peter 2:21-22)
5. Cease from sin and do not live in the flesh (1 Peter 4:1-3)
6. Judgement will begin at the house of God and sinners (those breaking God’s 10 commandments) will not be saved.
7. God has given us his precious promises and as we believe them God will grant us his divine power to live a life of Godliness (obedience to God’s Law; 2 Peter 1:2-4)
8. The Un-Godly (disobedient to God’s Law) will be like Sodom and Gomorrah (2 Peter 2:6)
9. If any turn away from God’s Law and are in unrepentant sin breaking any of God’10 commandments they will be lost (2 Peter 2:20-22)
10 God is not willing that any should perish but that everyone should come to repentance and turn away from sin to follow God’s 10 commandments because those that do not will receive the judgements of God (2 Peter 3:5-14)

Steve there is a lot of scripture here that disagrees with your teachings. Let me know how your reconciling these scriptures with your belief that God's LAW (10 Commandments) are abolished? Your teaching does not fit well with...

1 JOHN 2:3-4 [3], And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. [4], He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

This is sent only in all respect Brother Steve only as a help for you. Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God...

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

 

[messianist]

Fair enough. I'll get to the point. You had erroneously concluded that Matt.5:17 was claiming that the law had not been abolished. That's not what the verse says. You were neglecting to account for the second half of the phrase, "or the Prophets". I wanted you to explain how that fit in your claim. Since it quite obviously doesn't.

Compare these scriptures to discover the answer to this question about what it was referring to. (the books of the Law, not the law itself)

Luke 16:16
“The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John. Since that time, the good news of the kingdom of God is being preached, and everyone is forcing their way into it. ​

Matthew 11:13
For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John.

Matthew 22:40
All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

Matthew 7:12
So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

John 1:45
Philip found Nathanael and told him, “We have found the one Moses wrote about in the Law, and about whom the prophets also wrote—Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.”

Matthew 5:17
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Luke 24:44
He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”

as I told you previously i know what the scripture says thank you

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I'm not here to argue.

Another question you won't answer...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

When Jesus and the Apostle John agree with them, what do you recommend?

I recommend you understand the verses, which you do not

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Have you ever hung a picture? The wall must exist before you can hang it.

That is a bad analogy. On those 2 (a summary) hang all that came before. The 2 are NOT different or new than what was in effect previously.

 

[Dave L]

That is a bad analogy. On those 2 (a summary) hang all that came before. The 2 are NOT different or new than what was in effect previously.

If the Ten Commandments hung from the Two Great Commandments, the Two were here first.

““The LORD our God made a covenant with us at Mount Sinai. The LORD did not make this covenant with our ancestors, but with all of us who are alive today.” (Deuteronomy 5:2–3)

 

[Dave L]

Another question you won't answer...

What is the question?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

If the Ten Commandments hung from the Two Great Commandments, the Two were here first.

““The LORD our God made a covenant with us at Mount Sinai. The LORD did not make this covenant with our ancestors, but with all of us who are alive today.” (Deuteronomy 5:2–3)

I don't know how much simpler I can make it for you. The 2 and the 10 are identical. It is not that the 2 came first, it is that the 2 summarize the 10...

 

[Dave L]

I don't know how much simpler I can make it for you. The 2 and the 10 are identical. It is not that the 2 came first, it is that the 2 summarize the 10...

They are not identical, not even close. The unbelieving Jews kept what they could of the Ten Commandments under threat of death and sickness. And did what they could to benefit from keeping them with impure motives. The Two Great Commandments are for believers who obey God in love for Him and others.

 

[expos4ever]

Hi expos4ever,

Depends what you mean by law of Moses? In the OLD COVENANT, the Shadow laws from the MOASIAC BOOK of the COVENANT for remission of sin are not the same as God's eternal LAW (the 10 commandments) that give us a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4)

Scripture support 1 click me.
Scripture support 2 click me.

You mix up the Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT that pointed to Jesus and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT with GOD'S ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandment) that give us a KNOWLEDGE of good and evil, SIN and rightouensess (Romans 3:20). Without God's LAW there would be no knowledge of sin and no need of a Saviour.

Hope this helps.

I see no Biblical basis for drawing any distinctions within the Law of Moses.

 

[Petros2015]

This is in fact not the first time , the first time was when he was in pre-incarnated form leading Jews to the battle of Jerycho on Sabbath .

Huh?

 

[Chinchilla]

Huh?

Exodus 3:5-8 King James Version (KJV)
5 And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.

6 Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.


Joshua 5:15
“And the captain of the LORD'S host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.”

There are only two persons in Scriptures which require worship , Satan and God , no angel would require anything like that , even Gabriel when witnessed to Daniel told him to stand up and not worship him .

 

[Doug Melven]

Jesus did not break any of the laws that God gave.
He did break the Pharisee's interpretation/tradition of those laws

Also, the food laws concerning what could be eaten and not due to it's uncleanness He showed the true intent of those laws.
We shouldn't let those unclean things have a place in our hearts. That is what He was referring to in Matthew 15:18-20.

About those laws that said you could not touch someone who was unclean was so that you would not become defiled. But, there was no way someone touching or being touched by Jesus was going to infect Him. He was God manifest in the flesh. 1 Timothy 3:16

All of the OT laws had a deeper meaning behind them.
For instance the Sabbath was so we would learn to trust Him.
The sacrificial laws were about pointing to Christ and His sacrifice.
For instance, the flour they were to use had to be fine. To get fine flour it must be beaten over and over. A picture of Christ being beaten for us.

 

[Saint Steven]

Hello Steve,

Can you explain which OLD COVENANT laws in your view, are being spoken of in the scriptures you have posted above and how you interpret these scriptures?

Do you interpret these laws as...

1. God's LAW (10 Commandments)?
2. The MOSAIC laws for remission of sin?

and how do you apply these scriptures?

Just asking how you interpret the above scriptures before I respond with God's WORD. So I do not misunderstand your post.

May God help you as you seek him through his Word.

Neither.

The term "the Law" (capital "L") is referring to the five books of Moses. The Pentateuch.
The term "the Prophets" is referring to the books of OT prophecy.
The term "Psalms" is referring to the book of Psalms.

 

[Saint Steven]

Not really Steve,

You tried to use the scripture you posted above to justify your belief that God's 10 Commandments are abolished. You were then shown through the scriptures that when PAUL speaks in GALATIANS 3:23-25 he is not saying that FAITH ABOLISHES or sets aside God's LAW. This would contradict what he is saying in other parts of God's WORD (e.g Romans 3:31).

For example let's look at these scriptures...

GALATIANS 3:23-25 [23], Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. [24], So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. [25], Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

This is saying that BEFORE FAITH in CHRIST comes God's LAW gives us a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is and shows us that we are all sinners in need of s Saviour (Romans 3:20). God's LAW is our teacher to lead us to Christ (the Saviour) that we might be justified by FAITH. When Faith is come we are no longer "UNDER THE LAW" means condemned by the law because we have been forgiven (Justified) by FAITH.

What does it mean to be "Under the Law"?

ROMANS 3:19-20 [19], Now we know that what things soever the law said, it said to them who are UNDER THE LAW: THAT EVERY MOUTH MAY BE STOPPED AND ALL THE WORLD MAY BECOME GUILTY BEDFORE GOD. [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Now notice the next scripture from PAUL and read it very carefully...

GALATIANS 3:25 BUT AFTER FAITH IS COME, we are no longer under a schoolmaster [the LAW] * See ROMANS 3:19 = UNDER THE LAW MEANS UNDER THE CONDEMNATION OF THE LAW.

PAUL is not saying God's 10 commandments are ABOLISHED or done away with as shown further here...

ROMANS 3:31 [31], DO WE ABOLISH THE LAW THROUGH FAITH GOD FORBID: YES, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.

To BELIEVE God's LAW is ABOLISHED you is like saying JESUS, PAUL, JAMES and JOHN are all lying. Who do we believe you of God's WORD? Sorry Steve, God's WORD disagrees with your teachings.

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Something to think about...

1 JOHN 2:3-4 [3], And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. [4], He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

May God help you as you seek him through his WORD.



Not sure why you post this. No one is saying, teaching or believing that we are justified or saved by the works of the law. WE are only saved by GRACE through FAITH and not of ourselves it is a GIFT of GOD and not of WORKS lest any man should boast (Ephesians 2:8).

Some people do not know what GRACE is for however...

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WHAT IS GRACE FOR?

ROMANS 1:5, By whom we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name.

ROMANS 6:1-2, [1] What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. [2], How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

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DOES FAITH ABOLISH GOD'S LAW?

ROMANS 3:31 [31], Do we then ABOLISH THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: YES, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.

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Sorry Steve God's WORD disagrees with you.

May God help you as you seek him through his Word.


Hope this helps

No, not just the Ten Commandments. The law in its entirety is obsolete.

The term "the law" (small "l") being defined as the law that God gave to Israel alone through Moses.