Hi Steve,
Thanks for your thoughts but this post is a little off topic, so if we can keep to the OP it would be great. I will post to these this time if it may help the conversation but in the future if we could keep to the OP would be great
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Yup, a bit of topic, sorry.
But worse than that, you got nothing for me. Nothing specifically about the Sabbath. (as requested)
Steve this statement is not true at all. Did you read the second half of
post # 19 linked?
Paul speaks specifically about God's 4th Commandment here..
WHAT IS HIS (God's)
REST IN
HEBREWS 3 and
HEBREWS 4?
Hebrews 4
1, Let us therefore
fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into HIS REST, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2, For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3, For we which have believed do enter into REST, as he said, As I have sworn
in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished
from the foundation of the world.
4, For he spoke in a certain place of the SEVENTH DAY on this wise, And God did REST the SEVENTH DAY from all his works.
5, And in this place again, If they shall enter into
my REST.
God's REST is the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST OF CREATION (v4-5). Those who BELIEVE GOD's WORD enter into God's SABBATH REST as GOD does on the SEVENTH DAY of the week. This is a direct reference to
GENESIS 2:1-3 to God's REST on the SEVENTH DAY of the creation week (please
GENESIS 2:1-3)
6, Seeing therefore it remains that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached
entered not in because of unbelief:
7, Again, he limits a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8, For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9, There remains a SABBATH REST to the people of God.
10, For he that is entered into
his REST (SABBATH REST), he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11, Let us labor therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the
same example of unbelief.
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KEY POINTS OF
HEBREWS 4
v1-5 God's promised rest is from BELIEVING the GOSPEL (Word of God) and links directly to God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST from creation in
GENESIS 2:1-3
v6 None enter into God's REST without BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's WORD
v6-7 (see Heb 3:13) If we harden out heart by SIN and UNBELIEF we cannot enter God's REST through the Gospel
v-7-8 The true rest of the Gospel of Christ is the other rest spoken of another day in David (
Psalms 95)
v9 God's people (those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD) have HIS SABBATH REST (God's REST) Sabbatismos
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CONCLUSION:
Hebrews 3 and
HEBREWS 4 is saying ONLY those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD enter into the Gospel rest and only those who enter the Gospel rest enter into God's 4th commandment's SABBATH REST.
There is much more in the NEW TESTAMENT from the other Apostles and writers if you are interested
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Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.
I don't buy what you are claiming about Hebrews four. I win this point. The Apostle Paul does not teach Christians to observe the Sabbath. Quite the opposite in fact.
Not really Steve, just saying you do not believe the scriptures provided do not make them go away. You are free to believe as you wish these are Gods WORDS not mine. We are all only held accountable to God come judgment day. (John 12:47-48).
Colossians 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
Steve the topic of COL 2 is the ceremonial laws contained in ORDINANCES from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT. These also included the annual ceremonial Sabbaths attached to festivals that could fall on any day of the week. Many of these festivals under the OLD COVENANT are fulfilled in Christ. COL 2 is not a reference to God's 4th commandment but the SHADOW laws from from the MOSAIC BOOK of the covenant.
COL 2:14-17
COLOSIANS 2 [16] Let no man therefore judge you in
MEAT, or in
DRINK, or in respect of an
HOLYDAY, or of the
NEW MOON, or of the
SABBATH DAY(S) <plural>
The above scripture is used by the “many” to distance themselves from Gods sabbath day. But what is Col.2{16} really talking about. Let scripture interpret scripture.
(1)
CONTEXT of COL 2:16 is v14. is talking about the Mosaic laws for remission of sin that were shadows pointing to Jesus; not the ten commandments of God’s Law. Nowhere are the 10 commandments mentioned in Col chapter 2.
v11-13 Shadows of Mosaic laws of
circumcision of the new heart in Christ
v14,
BLOTTING OUT < G1813 ἐξαλείφω exaleipho (
ex-a-lei'-fō)
v. means to rub out, i.e.
obliterate, erase> the
HANDWRITING < G5498 χειρόγραφον cheirographon (chei-ro'-gra-fon)
n. means
something hand-written (“chirograph”), i.e. a manuscript specially,
a legal document > of
ORDINANCES < G1378 δόγμα
dogma (
d̮og'-ma)
n. means ordinance; civil,
ceremonial or ecclesiastical laws> that was against us,
WHICH WERE AGAINST US, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
v14 reads the handwriting of the ordinances that were against us; God’s LAW written on stone (10 Commandments) are not the handwriting of the ordinances written in the book that were against us. The
ORDINANCES referred to here are those written in the Mosaic book of the law that were against us. Not all the book of the law was against us. Those laws that pertained to righteousness were not against us. God’s LAW (10 Commandments) let us know what SIN was if we disobeyed them.
The Ten Commandments are not against us only the statutes and judgement in the Book of the Law in relation to when we sin were (the judgements and penalty for sin the curses for sin).
DEUT 31 [26] Take this
Book of the Law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there
FOR A WITNESS AGAINST THEE.
DEUT 30 [19] For GOD has said, I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death,
BLESSINGS AND CURSES: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: [20] That thou mayest love the Lord thy God, and that thou mayest OBEY his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD swore unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.
CONTEXT of the 2:16-17 is the
CIVIL, CEREMONIAL AND ECCLESIASTIC laws contained in
ORDINANCES that were against us. This is referring to the
penalty for SIN as well as the
fulfillment of the Mosaic laws for remission of sin that all pointed to Jesus (shadow laws). Together these were fulfilled in Christ and nailed to the cross.
EZEKIEL 45 [17] And it shall be the prince's part to give BURNT OFFERINGS, and MEAT OFFERINGS, and DRINK OFFERINGS, in the FEASTS, and in the NEW MOONS, and in the SABBATH(S), in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.
Here’s a scripture, same exact order as Col 2{16}, meat, drink, holy days (feast days), new moons, Sabbath(s). No doubt what so ever these 2 scriptures are speaking of the same thing. See how that on those days there was a sin offering made. The blood of Christ is now that offering. Col.2 and
Ezekiel 45 are simply speaking of the meat and drink offerings which were written in the Mosaic law contained within the ordinances which were to take place on Gods annual festivals, new moons and His annual ceremonial Sabbath days and Holy convocations (
Leviticus 23).
HEBREWS 13 [9] Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be ESTABLISHED WITH GRACE; NOT WITH MEATS, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein. [10] We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle. [11] For THE BODIES OF THOSE BEASTS, WHOSE BLOOD is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp. [12] WHEREFORE JESUS ALSO, THAT HE MIGHT SANCTIFY THE PEOPLE WITH HIS OWN BLOOD, suffered without the gate.
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Romans 14:5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind.
Steve there is not one scripture in ALL of Romans 14 that mentions God's 4th Commandment (the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH). Romans 14 is talking about food connected to days men esteem over others. There is not a single scripture here in relation to God's 10 Commandments.
Galatians 4:9-11 But now that you know God—or rather are known by God— how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable forces? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? 10 You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! 11 I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.
Steve, we are only saved by GRACE through FAITH and not of ourselves; it is a gift of God and not of works, lest any man should boast. (EPEHSIANS 2:8).
No one is saying, teaching of believing we are saved by works or anything we can do.
Hope this help.
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