Where is the Evidence of a Gap in the 70 weeks of Dan 9?

[DavidPT]

Unless you can provide scripture supporting your gap, my reasoning is not circular. The prophecy finds fulfillment as given. “For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.” (Luke 21:22) = Jerusalem's destruction by Titus.

What about Revelation 11 and 13? What do two periods of 3.5 years add up to if not 7 years? Should we just chalk that up as coincidental?

 

[DaDad]

OK

Ummmmmmm, -- not everything, and only since the era approximate to 1948. We still have ~three more years (which include the 42 month Tribulation), and then the Millennial Reign.

-- So NOT "OK". --

Thanks,
DaDad

 

[Dave L]

What about Revelation 11 and 13? What do two periods of 3.5 years add up to if not 7 years? Should we just chalk that up as coincidental?

Revelation covers the time from Christ's first advent until his second advent. It is not all future.

 

[DaDad]

Why are you shouting at me?
Newton was a crank and occultist, please give over on the Newton infatuation.
I know enough history to know it is fulfilled.
Which commentators am I parroting, dear Newton parrot?

Why are you defaming the TRUTH, which can be revealed by a drunk on the side of the road, who says "the bridge is out"?

Argue the specifics, -- or I can believe your "personal assurances". -- NOT.

Thanks,
DaDad

 

[Dave L]

GAP? I don't propose there is ANY GAP in ANY passages of the Book of Daniel. There's none in Daniel 9, or in Daniel 11. These are contrivances of Commentators whose "best" lies have failed.

-- Are you using a "distraction" from answering the NEWTON premise? ANSWER THE QUESTION!

Thanks,
DaDad

Daniel's 70 weeks were fulfilled in the first century on schedule.

 

[A71]

Its a difficult book, no doubt about it. But it all makes sense. JGR quoted Clement of Alexandria. He got it. Matthey Henry got it. I say 'got it' in the sense of the
Main thrust of the prophecy. I suspect it was well understood until laterly.

Unfortunately the counter trends in interpretation have become very dominant and shouty, leading to much confusion.

Daniel enlightens Revelation, but I am not sure vice versa.

I think Israel does have a bearing on prophecy, insofar as, imo, this false Israel polarizes Judaism, and I believe, personally, that a temple will be rebuilt which Jesus will obliterate at his second coming.

Daniel was told to seal his book, and also one of the purposes of the 70 weeks was "to seal up vision and prophecy". Sometimes I think it's all sealed up to US, like no one really gets it all.

WE try to interpret it (Daniel) in light of Revelation, and Olivet Discourse. Revelation, John was told NOT to seal up, only parts hidden were what the 7 thunders said and the marking out of court of the Gentiles.

Olivet Discourse is not 'sealed' but most of us see some fulfilled at 70 AD and some awaiting final end times.

Israel in 1948 getting their own land back was supposed to be a big deal for a while, but time is drawing to a close on a 'generation' since that happenned. Is Israel/Jerusalem still "trodden down by the Gentiles"? Dome of the Rock sits on Temple site, muslims walk around in it, treading down... I dunno.

Does modern-day secular Israel have anything to do with prophecy anyway?

 

[A71]

Ok, give me some specifics. But make them polite, please.

Why are you defaming the TRUTH, which can be revealed by a drunk on the side of the road, who says "the bridge is out"?

Argue the specifics, -- or I can believe your "personal assurances". -- NOT.

Thanks,
DaDad

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Jesus died AFTER the 69th week = the middle of the 70th week.

No, if this was true, the scripture would say he died in the middle of the 70th week, Not immediately following the 69th week. (hebrew word means behind or after. Something which occurs in sequence after another thing, 3 1/2 years unless specifically said in context would be taking it out of context and adding something that is not there.

 

[DavidPT]

Revelation covers the time from Christ's first advent until his second advent. It is not all future.

Does that mean you are implying no literal 7 years involved between Revelation 11 and Revelation 13, and that these years specified are symbolic, therefore not to be taken in the literal sense? BTW, I do agree with your conclusions above, but still wondering what you are or maybe are not implying about the 3.5 years found in both Revelation 11 and 13?

 

[Dave L]

No, if this was true, the scripture would say he died in the middle of the 70th week, Not immediately following the 69th week. (hebrew word means behind or after. Something which occurs in sequence after another thing, 3 1/2 years unless specifically said in context would be taking it out of context and adding something that is not there.

“And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.” (Daniel 9:26)

 

[DaDad]

Daniel's 70 weeks were fulfilled in the first century on schedule.

Thank you for your "personal assurance", but I believe I'll follow Scripture and History!
DaDad

 

[Eternally Grateful]

After Friday at 4 pm when his shift ends, he is off work until Monday at 7 am.

When does he initially go off work? Isn't it at the end of his shift on Friday at 4 pm? Doesn't this analogy show that after can sometimes mean at the end of?

Amen! this would actually fit with the greek word.

There is an issue with sequence, If what they are saying is true, And Jesus is the one who confirmed the covenant, The passage would say something like after 69th week, He (the messiah) confirmed a covenant with the many for 1 week. In the middle of that week, Messiah was cut off. bringing an end to sacrifice and burnt offering. After this the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and sanctuary, committing the abomination which causes desolation. (which would have happened LONG after the 70 weeks were already completed 3.5 years AFTER jesus died and rose again.) Plus we are missing parts of the passage which now no longer fit.

 

[DaDad]

Ok, give me some specifics. But make them polite, please.

Hey A71,

The problems with the Classical Interpretation can be summed up as follows (not inclusively):

1. Daniel 9:2 specifies "years".

2. Daniel 9:2 does not use the simple shama to perceive the prophecy of Jeremiah as though reading that book, but rather the Solomon biyn to perceive the prophecy in the BOOKS.

3. Daniel 9:25 "going forth of the word" does NOT have the inference of any edict from man, but rather an edict directly from GOD.

4. The Daniel 9:25 seven is one duration with an anointed one "coming" after that duration.

5. The Daniel 9:25-26 sixty-two weeks is a second duration with a second anointed one who is cut off after that duration.

6. The "weeks"/"week" are the inconcise Masculine gender text, which are specifically NOT 490 years.

7. The second anointed one who is cut off is not killed upon the sixty-two, but simply AFTER.

8. The destroyer does not come at the beginning, middle, or upon the end of the seventieth shabuwa, but "shall come" after the seventieth shabuwa.

9. The seven, the sixty-two, the seventieth, and after the seventieth are chronologically connected, with NO ~2,000 year gaps.

10. This prophecy is shut up and sealed until the time of the end, which is approximate to 1948.
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It all stems from not following the angel's instructions in 12:4 & 9. The ENTIRE BOOK of Daniel's prophecies are END TIME.

But the Commentators have to "earn their living", so they made up a story for each of the prophetic Chapters and sold it to dupes like you and me. But I found the TRUTH in end-time HISTORY, -- approximate to 1948. And you too can find the TRUTH about these Chapters if you're willing to examine the failures of the Commentators, and actually see what Scripture SAYS.

With Best Regards,
DaDad

 

[Dave L]

Does that mean you are implying no literal 7 years involved between Revelation 11 and Revelation 13, and that these years specified are symbolic, therefore not to be taken in the literal sense? BTW, I do agree with your conclusions above, but still wondering what you are or maybe are not implying about the 3.5 years found in both Revelation 11 and 13?

Daniel's 70 weeks became complete in the first century. Revelation covers from that time period, until the end of the world and beyond.

 

[Dave L]

Thank you for your "personal assurance", but I believe I'll follow Scripture and History!
DaDad

Where's the gap? Prove yourself right by showing it from scripture.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

D P.............

 

[Eternally Grateful]

History confirms Jesus fulfilled the unbroken prophecy in the middle of the 70th week as written.

History afirms jesus was cut off exactly 1 calendar week, or 7 physical days after he was introduced to Jerusalem as king messiah riding on a donkey just as prophecy foretold, 69 weeks after the command was given to restore Jerusalem to Nehemiah by king Artaxerxes.

Nehimiah 2:
2 And it came to pass in the month of Nisan, in the twentieth year of King Artaxerxes, when wine was before him, that I took the wine and gave it to the king. Now I had never been sad in his presence before. 2 Therefore the king said to me, “Why is your face sad, since you are not sick? This is nothing but sorrow of heart.”

So I became dreadfully afraid, 3 and said to the king, “May the king live forever! Why should my face not be sad, when the city, the place of my fathers’ tombs, lies waste, and its gates are burned with fire?”

4 Then the king said to me, “What do you request?”

So I prayed to the God of heaven. 5 And I said to the king, “If it pleases the king, and if your servant has found favor in your sight, I ask that you send me to Judah, to the city of my fathers’ tombs, that I may rebuild it.”

6 Then the king said to me (the queen also sitting beside him), “How long will your journey be? And when will you return?” So it pleased the king to send me; and I set him a time.

7 Furthermore I said to the king, “If it pleases the king, let letters be given to me for the governors of the region beyond the River, that they must permit me to pass through till I come to Judah, 8 and a letter to Asaph the keeper of the king’s forest, that he must give me timber to make beams for the gates of the citadel which pertains to the temple, for the city wall, and for the house that I will occupy.” And the king granted them to me according to the good hand of my God upon me.

9 Then I went to the governors in the region beyond the River, and gave them the king’s letters. Now the king had sent captains of the army and horsemen with me. 10 When Sanballat the Horonite and Tobiah the Ammonite official heard of it, they were deeply disturbed that a man had come to seek the well-being of the children of Israel.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Jesus is Abraham's Seed, not the unbelieving Jews. Abraham's seed is Israel.

so the jews can not trace their blood to abraham?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Here are a few verses using these 2 hebrew words:

Daniel 9:24
‘Seventy<7657> sevens<7620>
7657 shib`iym. shib-eem' multiple of 7651; seventy:--seventy, threescore and ten (+ -teen).

The hebrew word #2852 is used only 1 time in the OT, so I can't find other verses to compare it to.....
Most versions have "determined" or "decreed"

Daniel 9:24:..........are determined/decreed/divided<2852> upon thy people<5971>,..........

2852 chathak khaw-thak' a primitive root; properly, to cut off, i.e. (figuratively) to decree:--determine.
1) to divide, determine
1a) (Niphal) to be determined, be decreed, be settled, be marked out
Brown-Driver-Briggs [חָתַךְ] verb divide, determine (Late Hebrew id., cut, cut off, decide, so Aramaic חתך Pa`el, Ethpa`al) — only Niph`al Perfect שָֽׁבֻעִים שִׁבְעִים נֶחְתַּךְ עַלעַֿמְּךָ Daniel 9:24 seventy weeks are determined upon thy people.
5971 `am am from 6004; a people (as a congregated unit); specifically, a tribe (as those of Israel); hence (collectively) troops or attendants; figuratively, a flock:--folk, men, nation, people.

 

[Dave L]

so the jews can not trace their blood to abraham?

All of the middle east can trace their blood to Abraham.