Where is the Evidence of a Gap in the 70 weeks of Dan 9?

[BABerean2]

Dan 9 has a major gap.
Lets look at the last part.

“And after the sixty-two weeks

the 62 week ended when Jesus was introduced as messiah to Israel. As per the OT prophet

Zechariah 9:9
[ The Coming King ] “Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion! Shout, O daughter of Jerusalem! Behold, your King is coming to you; He is just and having salvation, Lowly and riding on a donkey, A colt, the foal of a donkey.

Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;

Occured 1 week later when jesus was crucified on the cross.


And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.

Occurred a few decades later. when the roman people by the lead of Titus destroyed the city and sanctuary (70 Ad) so we already have a few decade gap)

The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.

speaks of a period of time when there will be a period of wars, this time which is determined. Jesus spoke of this in his day in matt 24, when he said at the end kingdom will rise against kingdom, and nation against nation, there will be wars and rumors of wars but the END IS NOT YET.

This period is still ongoing, this the gap has been over 2000 years already.

27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”

Has yet to happen, Spoken of by Jesus himself. Will occur AFTER wars and rumors of wars. AFTER kingdom rises against kingdom and nation against nation, The prince who does this is the prince who is to come, of the people who destroyed the city and sanctuary (Daniels reformed roman empire) The sanctuary will remain desolate until the consummation, which again is predetermined amount of time, is poured out on the desolate. Jesus called this the great tribulation, which will be so great, no flesh will survive if he did not return, This 1 week, or 7 year treaty confirmed with many is the last week of Daniels 70. At the end of this, The time of the gentile will end (the time determined) and the people of Israel will repent. Which is answer to Daniels prayer.

the prayer of Daniel is concerning Israel and the temple and the city of Jerusalem. The gap is inserted because as Jesus said before he was cut off.. The truth had been hidden from them. they had their chance and rejected it, so now they too will be cut off according to lev 26. the final week occures after Israel is restored in some way, In the land, yet still in sin, The time of Jacobs trouble (tribulation) is used to bring Israel to repentance.

Compare Luke's Gospel to that of Matthew if you want to understand the timing.

Jesus Foretells Destruction of the Temple (These subtitles are found in e-Sword.)


Luk 21:5　 Then, as some spoke of the temple, how it was adorned with beautiful stones and donations, He said,　

Luk 21:6　 "These things which you see—the days will come in which not one stone shall be left upon another that shall not be thrown down."　

(Mat 24:2　 And Jesus said to them, "Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down."　)




Luk 21:7　 So they asked Him, saying, "Teacher, but when will these things be? And what sign will there be when these things are about to take place?"　

(Mat 24:3　 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?")

(　Mar 13:3　 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John, and Andrew asked Him privately,　

Mar 13:4　 "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign when all these things will be fulfilled?")　




Luk 21:8　 And He said: "Take heed that you not be deceived. For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am He,' and, 'The time has drawn near.' Therefore do not go after them.　

(Mat 24:5　 For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many.　)



Luk 21:9　 But when you hear of wars and commotions, do not be terrified; for these things must come to pass first, but the end will not come immediately."

(Mat 24:6　 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.)　



Jesus Foretells Wars and Persecution



Luk 21:10　 Then He said to them, "Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.　

(Mat 24:7　 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places.　)



Luk 21:11　 And there will be great earthquakes in various places, and famines and pestilences; and there will be fearful sights and great signs from heaven.　

(Mat 24:7　 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places.　)



Luk 21:12　 But before all these things, they will lay their hands on you and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues and prisons. You will be brought before kings and rulers for My name's sake.　

(Mat 24:9　 "Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name's sake.)　(Read Acts 22:19-20, where Paul reveals that he fulfilled this text.)



Luk 21:13　 But it will turn out for you as an occasion for testimony.　

Luk 21:14　 Therefore settle it in your hearts not to meditate beforehand on what you will answer;　

Luk 21:15　 for I will give you a mouth and wisdom which all your adversaries will not be able to contradict or resist.　

Luk 21:16　 You will be betrayed even by parents and brothers, relatives and friends; and they will put some of you to death.　

Luk 21:17　 And you will be hated by all for My name's sake.　

(Mat 24:10　 And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another.　)



Luk 21:18　 But not a hair of your head shall be lost.　

Luk 21:19　 By your patience possess your souls.　

(Mat 24:13　 But he who endures to the end shall be saved.)　



Jesus Foretells Destruction of Jerusalem



Luk 21:20　 "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near.　(See also Luke 19:41-44)

(Mat 24:15　 "Therefore when you see the 'ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand),　



Luk 21:21　 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her.　

(Mat 24:16　 "then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.)　



Luk 21:22　 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.　

Luk 21:23　 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people.　

(Mat 24:19　 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!　) (See Luke 23:27-31 where Jesus warned the women weeping for Him.)



Luk 21:24　 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.　
(Almost all Bible scholars agree that the first part of the verse above is about 70 AD. At the end of the verse we find a period of time known as “the times of the Gentiles”. In the verses that follow we find the future Second Coming of Christ.)


The Coming of the Son of Man



Luk 21:25　 "And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring;　

(Mat 24:29　 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.)　



Luk 21:26　 men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken.　

Luk 21:27　 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.　

(Mat 24:30　 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.)　



Luk 21:28　 Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near."　

(Mat 24:33　 So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors!)

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From "Antiquities of the Jews" by Josephus, Book 12, chapter 7

"6. When therefore the generals of Antiochus's armies had been beaten so often, Judas assembled the people together, and told them, that after these many victories which God had given them, they ought to go up to Jerusalem, and purify the temple, and offer the appointed sacrifices. But as soon as he, with the whole multitude, was come to Jerusalem, and found the temple deserted, and its gates burnt down, and plants growing in the temple of their own accord, on account of its desertion, he and those that were with him began to lament, and were quite confounded at the sight of the temple; so he chose out some of his soldiers, and gave them order to fight against those guards that were in the citadel, until he should have purified the temple. When therefore he had carefully purged it, and had brought in new vessels, the candlestick, the table [of shew-bread], and the altar [of incense], which were made of gold, he hung up the veils at the gates, and added doors to them. He also took down the altar [of burnt-offering], and built a new one of stones that he gathered together, and not of such as were hewn with iron tools. So on the five and twentieth day of the month Casleu, which the Macedonians call Apeliens, they lighted the lamps that were on the candlestick, and offered incense upon the altar [of incense], and laid the loaves upon the table [of shew-bread], and offered burnt-offerings upon the new altar [of burnt-offering]. Now it so fell out, that these things were done on the very same day on which their Divine worship had fallen off, and was reduced to a profane and common use, after three years' time; for so it was, that the temple was made desolate by Antiochus, and so continued for three years. This desolation happened to the temple in the hundred forty and fifth year, on the twenty-fifth day of the month Apeliens, and on the hundred fifty and third olympiad: but it was dedicated anew, on the same day, the twenty-fifth of the month Apeliens, on the hundred and forty-eighth year, and on the hundred and fifty-fourth olympiad. And this desolation came to pass according to the prophecy of Daniel, which was given four hundred and eight years before; for he declared that the Macedonians would dissolve that worship [for some time].

7. Now Judas celebrated the festival of the restoration of the sacrifices of the temple for eight days, and omitted no sort of pleasures thereon; but he feasted them upon very rich and splendid sacrifices; and he honored God, and delighted them by hymns and psalms. Nay, they were so very glad at the revival of their customs, when, after a long time of intermission, they unexpectedly had regained the freedom of their worship, that they made it a law for their posterity, that they should keep a festival, on account of the restoration of their temple worship, for eight days. And from that time to this we celebrate this festival, and call it Lights. I suppose the reason was, because this liberty beyond our hopes appeared to us; and that thence was the name given to that festival. Judas also rebuilt the walls round about the city, and reared towers of great height against the incursions of enemies, and set guards therein. He also fortified the city Bethsura, that it might serve as a citadel against any distresses that might come from our enemies. "


Josephus confirms above the understanding of the Jews of his time, who knew that Daniel had predicted the events of 167 BC, by Antiochus Epiphanes.
Josephus confirms it as a historical fact.


John 10:22 is a reference to the celebration of Hanukkah each year by the Jews of Jesus time.


The Book of Matthew was addressed mainly to a Jewish audience. Jesus was telling the Jews of His time that something similar to 167 BC would happen during 70 AD. Not only did Antiochus desecrate the temple, but he also attacked the city killing thousands of Jews and stopped the temple sacrifices. The temple sacrifices would also stop in 70 AD, due to the destruction of the temple. Based on John 10:22, the Jews were well aware of this historical fulfillment of Daniel’s prophecy. Luke’s Gospel was written to more of a Gentile audience, so he spelled it out for them.


Matthew 24:15-16 and Luke 21:20-21 are clearly parallel accounts, because we have the exact same warning to flee from Judea to the mountains in the second verse of each Gospel.


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[jgr]

I recommend you need to study all of daniel my friend, because daniel gives us an example of what an abomination which causes desolation looks like, with antiochus epiphanies (dan 11 greece commits an abomination of desolation causing sacrifice to cease) slaughtered a pig in the holy of holies (the little an abomination of desolation occures when an unclean object is placed in the holy of holies, making it unclean, and thus making it desolate)

That did not occure in 70ad, in 70ad, the people of the future price DESTROYED the city and sanctuary. The abomination comes later, After the wars after the time aloted which is predetermined, which continues to this day.

I recommend that you review Luke 21:20, which you've ignored.

I also recommend that you consult the record of the historical true Church, which for over 1,800 years was all but unanimous in its recognition of the historical fulfillment of the 70th week.

70th week postponement, aka decapitation, is a modernist fallacy unknown before the 19th century.

For your edification, here is the testimony of one of the early defenders of the faith.

Clement of Alexandria (150 - 215 AD)

From the captivity at Babylon, which took place in the time of Jeremiah the prophet, was fulfilled what was spoken by Daniel the prophet as follows: "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people, and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to seal sins, and to wipe out and make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal the vision and the prophet, and to anoint the Holy of Holies. Know therefore, and understand, that from the going forth of the word commanding an answer to be given, and Jerusalem to be built, to Christ the Prince, are seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; and the street shall be again built, and the wall; and the times shall be expended. And after the sixty-two weeks the anointing shall be overthrown, and judgment shall not be in him; and he shall destroy the city and the sanctuary along with the coming Prince. And they shall be destroyed in a flood, and to the end of the war shall be cut off by: desolations. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week; and in the middle of the week the sacrifice and oblation shall be taken away; and in the holy place shall be the abomination of desolations, and until the consummation of time shall the consummation be assigned for desolation. And in the midst of the week shall he make the incense of sacrifice cease, and of the wing of destruction, even till the consummation, like the destruction of the oblation." That the temple accordingly was built in seven weeks, is evident; for it is written in Esdras. And thus Christ became King of the Jews, reigning in Jerusalem in the fulfilment of the seven weeks. And in the sixty and two weeks the whole of Judaea was quiet, and without wars. And Christ our Lord, "the Holy of Holies," having come and fulfilled the vision and the prophecy, was anointed in His flesh by the Holy Spirit of His Father.

In those "sixty and two weeks," as the prophet said, and "in the one week," was He Lord. The half of the week Nero held sway, and in the holy city Jerusalem placed the abomination; and in the half of the week he was taken away, and Otho, and Galba, and Vitellius. And Vespasian rose to the supreme power, and destroyed Jerusalem, and desolated the holy place. And that such are the facts of the case, is clear to him that is able to understand, as the prophet said.

The Stromata, or Miscellanies
Book I Chapter XXI

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I recommend that you review Luke 21:20, which you've ignored.

Luke 21: 20 speaks of jerusalems desolations, not the abomination of desolation of the most holy place. I did not ignore it, i put it in its proper place. Which you are failing to do.

I also recommend that you consult the record of the historical true Church, which for over 1,800 years was all but unanimous in its recognition of the historical fulfillment of the 70th week.

70th week postponement, aka decapitation, is a modernist fallacy unknown before the 19th century.

For your edification, here is the testimony of one of the early defenders of the faith.

Clement of Alexandria (150 - 215 AD)

From the captivity at Babylon, which took place in the time of Jeremiah the prophet, was fulfilled what was spoken by Daniel the prophet as follows: "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people, and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to seal sins, and to wipe out and make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal the vision and the prophet, and to anoint the Holy of Holies. Know therefore, and understand, that from the going forth of the word commanding an answer to be given, and Jerusalem to be built, to Christ the Prince, are seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; and the street shall be again built, and the wall; and the times shall be expended. And after the sixty-two weeks the anointing shall be overthrown, and judgment shall not be in him; and he shall destroy the city and the sanctuary along with the coming Prince. And they shall be destroyed in a flood, and to the end of the war shall be cut off by: desolations. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week; and in the middle of the week the sacrifice and oblation shall be taken away; and in the holy place shall be the abomination of desolations, and until the consummation of time shall the consummation be assigned for desolation. And in the midst of the week shall he make the incense of sacrifice cease, and of the wing of destruction, even till the consummation, like the destruction of the oblation." That the temple accordingly was built in seven weeks, is evident; for it is written in Esdras. And thus Christ became King of the Jews, reigning in Jerusalem in the fulfilment of the seven weeks. And in the sixty and two weeks the whole of Judaea was quiet, and without wars. And Christ our Lord, "the Holy of Holies," having come and fulfilled the vision and the prophecy, was anointed in His flesh by the Holy Spirit of His Father.

In those "sixty and two weeks," as the prophet said, and "in the one week," was He Lord. The half of the week Nero held sway, and in the holy city Jerusalem placed the abomination; and in the half of the week he was taken away, and Otho, and Galba, and Vitellius. And Vespasian rose to the supreme power, and destroyed Jerusalem, and desolated the holy place. And that such are the facts of the case, is clear to him that is able to understand, as the prophet said.

The Stromata, or Miscellanies
Book I Chapter XXI

I do not listen to men, i study to show myself approved, a work an who needs not be ashamed, who does what i can to rightly divide the word of truth.

And i definately do not listen to the pagan church which destroyed any document that did not agree with her for iver 1800 years.

I suggest you start to study the word, and stop being a follower of men.

 

[Dave L]

Per that translation, as to verse 27, it makes it clear that the 'he' who causeth the sacrifice and present to cease, is the same one who by the wing of abominations is making desolate. If that translation doesn't prove a gap, what does it prove? Does it prove the he meant in that verse is meaning Christ? I don't see how since the part about by the wing of abominations he is making desolate, couldn't possibly fit Christ.

A simple reading of the passage without a gap proven by history shows Jesus and Titus as the two princes mentioned.

“He [Jesus] will confirm a [New] covenant with many for one week. But in the middle of that [70th] week he will bring sacrifices and offerings to a halt [offering himself as the atonement for sin]. On the wing of abominations will come one who destroys, [Titus and the Roman Legions] until the decreed end is poured out on the one who destroys [Rome's fall].”” (Daniel 9:27)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

By the way, if God is completely done with isreal, then there is no need of a remnant, a remnant is kept to make sure the bloodline is intact, and the nation never is destroyed, like many gentile nations, of whcih we do not even have a trace,

If God is done, he would just do as he did the gentile nations who walked away, and destroy her, no need of a remnant, they would just be mixed into other people groups and dissapear as many oher nations have.

God did not promise a remnant for edom or any other nation, he did isreal, and there is a reason, gods promises are irrecocable.

The OT prophets understood this, paul inderstood this. Why cant others?

 

[Dave L]

By the way, if God is completely done with isreal, then there is no need of a remnant, a remnant is kept to make sure the bloodline is intact, and the nation never is destroyed, like many gentile nations, of whcih we do not even have a trace,

If God is done, he would just do as he did the gentile nations who walked away, and destroy her, no need of a remnant, they would just be mixed into other people groups and dissapear as many oher nations have.

God did not promise a remnant for edom or any other nation, he did isreal, and there is a reason, gods promises are irrecocable.

The OT prophets understood this, paul inderstood this. Why cant others?

“And even they—if they do not continue in their unbelief—will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.” (Romans 11:23) = Christ is Israel and those who belong to him.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

A simple reading of the passage without a gap proven by history shows Jesus and Titus as the two princes mentioned.

“He [Jesus] will confirm a [New] covenant with many for one week. But in the middle of that [70th] week he will bring sacrifices and offerings to a halt [offering himself as the atonement for sin]. On the wing of abominations will come one who destroys, [Titus and the Roman Legions] until the decreed end is poured out on the one who destroys [Rome's fall].”” (Daniel 9:27)

Jesus does not fit, jesus confirmed or better yet made a covinant with many that is eternal. Not just for one week.

Titus does not fit, he is of the people of the prince who is to come, which is the prince who will not only confirm this 7 year covenant, but in the middle of that final week, break the covnant by commiting the abomination of desolation.

Ie, the prince who is to come has not yet come

 

[Dave L]

Jesus does not fit, jesus confirmed or better yet made a covinant with many that is eternal. Not just for one week.

Titus does not fit, he is of the people of the prince who is to come, which is the prince who will not only confirm this 7 year covenant, but in the middle of that final week, break the covnant by commiting the abomination of desolation.

Ie, the prince who is to come has not yet come

Jesus confirmed the eternal covenant during the 70th week. “He [Jesus] will confirm a [New] covenant with many for one week. But in the middle of that [70th] week he will bring sacrifices and offerings to a halt [offering himself as the atonement for sin]. On the wing of abominations will come one who destroys, [Titus and the Roman Legions] until the decreed end is poured out on the one who destroys [Rome's fall].”” (Daniel 9:27)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Jesus confirmed the eternal covenant during the 70th week. “

How, he died at the end of the 69th week,

[Jesus] will confirm a [New] covenant with many for one week. But in the middle of that [70th] week he will bring sacrifices and offerings to a halt [offering himself as the atonement for sin].
On the wing of abominations will come one who destroys, [Titus and the Roman Legions] until the decreed end is poured out on the one who destroys [Rome's fall].”” (Daniel 9:27)

So many issues with this

Jesus died at the end of the 69th week, not 3.5 years after the 69th week

He did not bring sacrifices to a halt, they continud until 70ad, decades after jesus died

And you are out of sequence, the one who confirmed a covenant is the one who commits the abomination., titus did not commit an abomination of desolation, he just destroyed the temple, and only rome one isdead, rome 2 is yet to come, rome 1 which broke apart many years after 70 ad did not fit the characteristics of rome 2

 

[jgr]

By the way, if God is completely done with isreal, then there is no need of a remnant, a remnant is kept to make sure the bloodline is intact, and the nation never is destroyed, like many gentile nations, of whcih we do not even have a trace,

If God is done, he would just do as he did the gentile nations who walked away, and destroy her, no need of a remnant, they would just be mixed into other people groups and dissapear as many oher nations have.

God did not promise a remnant for edom or any other nation, he did isreal, and there is a reason, gods promises are irrecocable.

The OT prophets understood this, paul inderstood this. Why cant others?

Here's the genetic reality of your "bloodline", ubiquitous within the whole of humanity, acknowledged and applauded by the Jewish religiocultural community itself.

So much for ethnicity as God's criterion.

Abraham lineage
DNA Tests Could Fulfill God’s Promise to Abraham by Revealing Millions of Jews. But How Jewish is Jewish Enough?
Israel in all of Us? Research finds 'Jewish genes' in unusual places

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132800
https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/tracing-lost-israelite-tribes-to-africa-1.5283901
https://www.cnn.com/2013/02/01/world/africa/nigeria-jews-igbo/index.html
http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/...-africa-has-jewish-roots-genetic-tests-reveal
https://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/...her-claims-proof-of-tribe-of-Ephraim-in-India
https://www.jta.org/2013/05/23/life...bush-bani-israel-tribe-claims-jewish-heritage

Example of the mathematical confirmation of ancestral genetic ubiquity

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Here's the genetic reality of your "bloodline", ubiquitous within the whole of humanity, acknowledged and applauded by the Jewish religiocultural community itself.

So much for ethnicity as God's criterion.

Abraham lineage
DNA Tests Could Fulfill God’s Promise to Abraham by Revealing Millions of Jews. But How Jewish is Jewish Enough?
Israel in all of Us? Research finds 'Jewish genes' in unusual places

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132800
https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/tracing-lost-israelite-tribes-to-africa-1.5283901
https://www.cnn.com/2013/02/01/world/africa/nigeria-jews-igbo/index.html
http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/...-africa-has-jewish-roots-genetic-tests-reveal
https://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/...her-claims-proof-of-tribe-of-Ephraim-in-India
https://www.jta.org/2013/05/23/life...bush-bani-israel-tribe-claims-jewish-heritage

Example of the mathematical confirmation of ancestral genetic ubiquity

Lol, ok, believe what you want.

My GOd keeps his promises, especially when he calls them eternal promises, if he does not, he is not trustworthy.

You want to follow an untrustworthy God, feel free.

Ps, all your giving me is words of men, again, i do not follow men.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

“And even they—if they do not continue in their unbelief—will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.” (Romans 11:23) = Christ is Israel and those who belong to him.

Read romans 11. The they who were cut off because of unbelief is Israel, they are the natural branches, who if they repent, will be grafted back in as apposed to the roman gentile believers, and myself who are unatural wild branches who need grafted in as unnatural branches.

Why would paul call the gentile christians gentiles if they were isreal as you are trying to insist

 

[DavidPT]

“And even they—if they do not continue in their unbelief—will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.” (Romans 11:23) = Christ is Israel and those who belong to him.

Israel is not God. Christ is God, therefore can't also be Israel. Christ existed before there ever was an Israel. Was He Israel then too?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Here are a few verses using these 2 hebrew words:

Daniel 9:24
‘Seventy<7657> sevens<7620>
7657 shib`iym. shib-eem' multiple of 7651; seventy:--seventy, threescore and ten (+ -teen).

Genesis 4:24
For sevenfold<7659> is required for Cain, And for Lamech seventy<7657> and seven<7651>.’

Ezra 8:35
Those coming in of the captives — sons of the removal — have brought near burnt-offerings to the God of Israel,
twelve bullocks, for all Israel, ninety and six rams, seventy<7657> and seven<7651> male-lambs, twelve young he-goats for a sin-offering,
— the whole a burnt-offering to Jehovah;
7651 sheba` sheh'-bah or (masculine) shibrah {shib-aw'}; from 7650; a primitive cardinal number; seven (as the sacred full one); also (adverbially) seven times; by implication, a week; by extension, an indefinite number:--(+ by) seven(-fold),-s, (-teen, -teenth), -th, times). Compare 7658.

Daniel 9:2
in the first year of his reign, I, Daniel, perceived by the writings,—the number of the years, as to which the word of Yahweh came unto Jeremiah the prophet, to fulfill the desolations<2723> of Jerusalem, seventy<7657> years.

Zechariah 1:12
And the messenger of Jehovah answereth and saith, ‘Jehovah of Hosts! till when dost Thou not pity Jerusalem, and the cities of Judah,
that Thou hast abhorred these seventy<7657> years?

This phrase in Rev 6 appears to be similar to that in Zech 1:12?

Revelation 6:10
and they were crying with a great voice, saying, 'Till when, O Master/Owner, the Holy and the True, dost Thou not judge and take vengeance of our blood from those dwelling upon the land?'

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Daniel 9:24
‘Seventy<7657> sevens<7620>

7620 shabuwa` shaw-boo'-ah or shabuan {shaw-boo'-ah}; also (feminine) shbu.ah {sheb-oo-aw'}; properly, passive participle of 7650 as a denominative of 7651; literal, sevened, i.e. a week (specifically, of years):--seven, week.

Ezekiel 45:21
‘In the first [month], in the fourteenth day of the month, ye have the passover, a feast of sevens<7620> of days, unleavened food is eaten.

 

[Dave L]

Israel is not God. Christ is God, therefore can't also be Israel. Christ existed before there ever was an Israel. Was He Israel then too?

Jesus IS Israel along with those united to him by faith.

 

[Dave L]

How, he died at the end of the 69th week,



So many issues with this

Jesus died at the end of the 69th week, not 3.5 years after the 69th week

He did not bring sacrifices to a halt, they continud until 70ad, decades after jesus died

And you are out of sequence, the one who confirmed a covenant is the one who commits the abomination., titus did not commit an abomination of desolation, he just destroyed the temple, and only rome one isdead, rome 2 is yet to come, rome 1 which broke apart many years after 70 ad did not fit the characteristics of rome 2

Jesus died AFTER the 69th week = the middle of the 70th week.

 

[Dave L]

How, he died at the end of the 69th week,



So many issues with this

Jesus died at the end of the 69th week, not 3.5 years after the 69th week

He did not bring sacrifices to a halt, they continud until 70ad, decades after jesus died

And you are out of sequence, the one who confirmed a covenant is the one who commits the abomination., titus did not commit an abomination of desolation, he just destroyed the temple, and only rome one isdead, rome 2 is yet to come, rome 1 which broke apart many years after 70 ad did not fit the characteristics of rome 2

AFTER the 69th week = middle of the 70th week.

 

[DavidPT]

AFTER the 69th week = middle of the 70th week.

After Friday at 4 pm when his shift ends, he is off work until Monday at 7 am.

When does he initially go off work? Isn't it at the end of his shift on Friday at 4 pm? Doesn't this analogy show that after can sometimes mean at the end of?

 

[Dave L]

After Friday at 4 pm when his shift ends, he is off work until Monday at 7 am.

When does he initially go off work? Isn't it at the end of his shift on Friday at 4 pm? Doesn't this analogy show that after can sometimes mean at the end of?

History confirms Jesus fulfilled the unbroken prophecy in the middle of the 70th week as written.

 

[DavidPT]

Jesus IS Israel along with those united to him by faith.

You haven't shown why you conclude that though. All you have done is expressed an opinion without actually proving the opinion is correct.

Are you perhaps concluding that per all of the following? I know Preterists use the following to support this idea.

Exodus 4:22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

Hosea 11:1 When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.

Matthew 2:14 When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:
15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.