If I told you that Jesus taught me how to open the Seven Seals, would you ask me to tell you?

[Small Fish]

Well, then. With that I am in full agreement.

The problem becomes recognizing the truth, and a prophet who tells it, when we come across them. We are to judge their message upon the scriptures, alone. But we do not all agree on what the scriptures say. Christians have some common beliefs, and separate themselves from others over what they do not agree, leaving scores of denominations.

When people first react to something new, they judge it by what they already believe; their different points of view supported by assembling various verses into themes that some accept and others reject.

How then, can we all agree on the words of (what might be) a prophet?

Would we not then require them to assemble verses together to form a theme, just as we do with one another? Have him prove that these things he says are based in the scriptures? Or would we even give them a fair hearing?

The very reason Prophets are needed is because we didn't get something right the first time. They often tell us what will come to pass because of our failure to abide by God's precepts. The very nature of accepting a Prophet and his message is to admit you were wrong about something.

A Prophet today would sure have his work cut out for him.

I find this topic very exciting because who would not love to see God come on the scene like He did in the past ages?

Sadly, most people. The majority even missed recognizing Jesus Christ Himself whe He was here, subsequently crucifying Him. Even about John the Baptist Jesus said;

Matthew 17:10-13
10 And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?
11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.
12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.
13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.

A few chapters later Jesus was rebuking those who withstood Him and said these words;

Matthew 23:34
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

This is generally the patern you'll find in both Old and New Testaments. And it's mostly the people they are sent to that gives them the most trouble.

In today's world I'll say aandas you pointed out that the Christan world (denominations) would be the ones that needs it the most.

And why is it they refuse it?

Man made, doctrines, traditions, pre conceived ideas, lusts of the flesh, greed for wealth etc.

So what does God do? He takes His few and leave the rest sitting in the chaos of darkness.

I believe that this has pretty much always been the patern.

Luke 18:7-9
7 And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

As Jesus warned, there are MANY false prophets , and again as noted in the first century and even more true today "there are many Anti-Christs among us" ....
The number of deceivers is much greater than the number telling the truth.
Thus the strict warning by Jesus and the Apostles in Scripture
TEST EVERYTHING - so much so that even if it is from an angel of light or from an apostle, DO NOT BELIEVE it until after it is proven true in line with and harmony with Scripture and Yahweh's Plan.

I find this topic very exciting because who would not love to see God come on the scene like He did in the past ages?

Sadly, most people. The majority even missed recognizing Jesus Christ Himself whe He was here, subsequently crucifying Him.

 

[Small Fish]

As Jesus warned, there are MANY false prophets , and again as noted in the first century and even more true today "there are many Anti-Christs among us" ....
The number of deceivers is much greater than the number telling the truth.
Thus the strict warning by Jesus and the Apostles in Scripture
TEST EVERYTHING - so much so that even if it is from an angel of light or from an apostle, DO NOT BELIEVE it until after it is proven true in line with and harmony with Scripture and Yahweh's Plan.

This is also one of the reasons that when the real thing comes that it is rejected. They had the same thing in the days of Jesus.

Acts 5:36-39
36 For before these days rose up Theudas, boasting himself to be somebody; to whom a number of men, about four hundred, joined themselves: who was slain; and all, as many as obeyed him, were scattered, and brought to nought.
37 After this man rose up Judas of Galilee in the days of the taxing, and drew away much people after him: he also perished; and all, even as many as obeyed him, were dispersed.
38 And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought:
39 But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.

You will always find these guys, very common. Even in the Old Testament. Moses had Dathan and Chora, and so on. It's Satan impersonating the real truth. But in order for there to be a false there must be a true.

 

[Small Fish]

This is also one of the reasons that when the real thing comes that it is rejected. They had the same thing in the days of Jesus.

Acts 5:36-39
36 For before these days rose up Theudas, boasting himself to be somebody; to whom a number of men, about four hundred, joined themselves: who was slain; and all, as many as obeyed him, were scattered, and brought to nought.
37 After this man rose up Judas of Galilee in the days of the taxing, and drew away much people after him: he also perished; and all, even as many as obeyed him, were dispersed.
38 And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought:
39 But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.

You will always find these guys, very common. Even in the Old Testament. Moses had Dathan and Chora, and so on. It's Satan impersonating the real truth. But in order for there to be a false there must be a true.

Reminds me of many of today's churches around. You must come here to Africa and see all the prophets, pastors and priests. Just a bunch of impersonators. The real thing must be Scriptural and God will vindicate it and back it up with signs and wonders.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Subject to testing/ proving in line with Yahweh.

Yes, the truth, even Jesus, is rejected by most.

Not by Ekklesia who abide in Him, and His Word abides in them.

A group/ assembly of Ekklesia (not commonly seen) does not permit or does not believe/accept (see next post for example) most of what is posted. Not even discussing most of the questions - they are unbecoming for believers to even talk about.

This is also one of the reasons that when the real thing comes that it is rejected. They had the same thing in the days of Jesus.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Reminds me of many of today's churches around. You must come here to Africa and see all the prophets, pastors and priests. Just a bunch of impersonators. The real thing must be Scriptural and God will vindicate it and back it up with signs and wonders.

YES! AMEN! It was very encouraging years (decades) ago to read of the true believers in African villages, who would NOT accept the gospel of Jesus from false teachers , for years they did not accept them (the false ones).
Then, when one true man sent by Yahweh with the true Word from Yahweh, the true Gospel of Jesus, the whole village turned out and repented and was immersed in Jesus' Name !
When asked why they had not 'converted' the previous years when other missionaries from other church were there,
they explained most simply and truthfully - those others who came, lied, they did not live nor tell the truth. You (the true missionary of Jesus) came and spoke the truth, and we see it in your words and your life. YES! They could and did tell the difference between the false church and the true church , even before they were saved and immersed in Jesus' Name, even while they were still considered 'pagan'/'heathen' they could and did see the difference !

 

[Small Fish]

YES! AMEN! It was very encouraging years (decades) ago to read of the true believers in African villages, who would NOT accept the gospel of Jesus from false teachers , for years they did not accept them (the false ones).
Then, when one true man sent by Yahweh with the true Word from Yahweh, the true Gospel of Jesus, the whole village turned out and repented and was immersed in Jesus' Name !
When asked why they had not 'converted' the previous years when other missionaries from other church were there,
they explained most simply and truthfully - those others who came, lied, they did not live nor tell the truth. You (the true missionary of Jesus) came and spoke the truth, and we see it in your words and your life. YES! They could and did tell the difference between the false church and the true church , even before they were saved and immersed in Jesus' Name, even while they were still considered 'pagan'/'heathen' they could and did see the difference !

Amazing story. This is the case many of times, many catch the truth immediately as if they were made for it. Most don't. And as Jesus said, "if another comes in his own name, him you will except".

In my experience, most people fall for false teachers and prophets because it falls in their taste, it's convenient for them to follow after them. Like a person who likes commiting adultary prefer a church where it is less frowned upon and or never spoken against. Or a person who likes to smoke and drink will find him a pastor who allows it.

These false teachers have some or many times great success in finding a following because there is a market for such.

 

[Steven Heiss]

I've started to think you might have some credibility concerning open the seals.

You know "how", but you don't know where to read once the scroll is open?

Um, no... I know where and how, and what it all means. I can see time they way in which God and His Prophets describe it. I know the seasons and what is to happen in them. I know the four horsemen by their first names, and have detailed profiles on each one. I know who the lost tribes are and who we knew them as in history. I even know the true meaning of life. Those are just the highlights.

The seals are a tutorial, that gives you the perspective to see beneath the surface and learn the finer details, not unlike the difference between watching a movie (reading just the surface) and reading the novel it was based upon. These same devices (similes, double-entendres, implied/indirect references) are sprinkled through the verses of scripture; learning how to use them is as important as the information directly revealed in the opening of the seals.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

If this is not totally in line with the Gospel of Jesus once for all delivered,
do not believe nor accept this line.....

p.s. it contradicts Scripture.... rather suspiciously and directly.

 

[Steven Heiss]

I find this topic very exciting because who would not love to see God come on the scene like He did in the past ages?

Sadly, most people. The majority even missed recognizing Jesus Christ Himself whe He was here, subsequently crucifying Him. Even about John the Baptist Jesus said;

Matthew 17:10-13
10 And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?
11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.
12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.
13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.

A few chapters later Jesus was rebuking those who withstood Him and said these words;

Matthew 23:34
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

This is generally the patern you'll find in both Old and New Testaments. And it's mostly the people they are sent to that gives them the most trouble.

In today's world I'll say aandas you pointed out that the Christan world (denominations) would be the ones that needs it the most.

And why is it they refuse it?

Man made, doctrines, traditions, pre conceived ideas, lusts of the flesh, greed for wealth etc.

So what does God do? He takes His few and leave the rest sitting in the chaos of darkness.

I believe that this has pretty much always been the patern.

Luke 18:7-9
7 And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:

Has Been the pattern, but Jesus is the light of this world and does not desire that any should perish. That pattern ends with the proper understanding of all that He said.

 

[Small Fish]

Has Been the pattern, but Jesus is the light of this world and does not desire that any should perish. That pattern ends with the proper understanding of all that He said.

God never changes and nor does His ways for He is Perfect and Eternal, was and always will be the same.

Malachi 3:6
6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Psalsm 33:11
11 The counsel of the Lord standeth for ever, the thoughts of his heart to all generations.

Hebrews 13:8
8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

His ways is the only righteous way, driven by His devine Wisdom, always was and always will be. Why will it change? How can it change? He knew the end from the beginning and His very thoughts are Eternal. It is man who learns and better himself not God. Now God is constantly trying to show us Who He is and always was in attempt to restore mankind back to Himself.

Since it was man who fell and lost his way, not God, it is man who needs to change and not God. God only reveals more to us as mankind is ready to receive it. And this He does through His prophets. (As I pointed this out with Scriptures backing it up)

Then man comes, true to form, think he knows better and try to make himself a custom, taylor made religion. But this is rejected every single time. Man never seems to learn. God rejected the fig leave aprons (man made religion) and also Cains offering. Every denomination falls under this man made idealistic religion. Then God comes and tries to lead us back to His way again until man rejects it for the last time and is seperated from the Presence of God eternally. You must always find and come God's Blood sacrifice way. This is Eternal life. The living moving Word. God's way!

Isaiah 46:10
10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Beautiful. "Declaring the end from the beginning!" Get it?

 

[Steven Heiss]

God never changes and nor does His ways for He is Perfect and Eternal, was and always will be the same.

Malachi 3:6
6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Psalsm 33:11
11 The counsel of the Lord standeth for ever, the thoughts of his heart to all generations.

Hebrews 13:8
8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

His ways is the only righteous way, driven by His devine Wisdom, always was and always will be. Why will it change? How can it change? He knew the end from the beginning and His very thoughts are Eternal. It is man who learns and better himself not God. Now God is constantly trying to show us Who He is and always was in attempt to restore mankind back to Himself.

Since it was man who fell and lost his way, not God, it is man who needs to change and not God. God only reveals more to us as mankind is ready to receive it. And this He does through His prophets. (As I pointed this out with Scriptures backing it up)

Then man comes, true to form, think he knows better and try to make himself a custom, taylor made religion. But this is rejected every single time. Man never seems to learn. God rejected the fig leave aprons (man made religion) and also Cains offering. Every denomination falls under this man made idealistic religion. Then God comes and tries to lead us back to His way again until man rejects it for the last time and is seperated from the Presence of God eternally. You must always find and come God's Blood sacrifice way. This is Eternal life. The living moving Word. God's way!

Isaiah 46:10
10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Beautiful. "Declaring the end from the beginning!" Get it?

"That pattern ends with the proper understanding of all that He said."

The proper implication is that man will change and quit repeating the pattern. I'm not sure how you thought otherwise.

 

[Small Fish]

"That pattern ends with the proper understanding of all that He said."

The proper implication is that man will change and quit repeating the pattern. I'm not sure how you thought otherwise.

Man is not perfected yet. Nor man's understanding of God. Thus the pattern remains.

 

[Steven Heiss]

Man is not perfected yet. Nor man's understanding of God. Thus the pattern remains.

That is about to change, in our lifetime. Many patterns have changed as the result of prophetic fulfillment. I can already see that he told the end from the beginning. The Almanac of the Prophets of Israel proves our written history played out exactly the way He said, why He said, and precisely when He said. All you have to do to see it too, is to examine it with an open heart.

To read the Almanac, you must first understand the legend, or key to the symbols of the illustration, similar to a legend on a map. If you would merely suspend judgment long enough to consider the possibilities and reserve that judgment until you view the patterns of prophecy when illustrated as patterns of historical record, the correlation should become readily apparent.

You start with the prescribed method of timekeeping. It is written that there is a time and a season for all things. The seasons are then added to the timeline. These seasons act as place markers for specified events to take place, according to the data given in prophecies.

Notice how the days of judgment come as regularly scheduled periods at the half-way point between the Jubliees. This is an assessment period, when they take stock of the first fruits before the next planting season, so that they may make changes to the policies going forward in the next season. Consequently, we see that the Jubilee falls exactly between the days of Judgment, as a respite from winter.

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The next layer is a cross-referencing grid of Biblical analogies for the passage of time that personifies the seasons with the Four Horsemen and what they represent. The numbers and corresponding colors are visual aids for pattern recognition. The Cipher of the Seasons:

Now that you know how to read the timeline of prophecy, here is a pattern of prophetic fulfillment plotted in history. Even if you can't quite wrap your head around all of the nuances of the prophetic language, the very pattern alone of conceptually identical events having occurred in the same season for 800 years and counting, is uncanny. This can not be dismissed as coincidence; the odds must be astronomical.

This is proof that God not only predicted the Holocaust, He also told us Who, Why, and When... and hit it out of the park. The historical events of (count them) eight expulsions of Jews, and then the Holocaust, are viewed as:
The Fourth Horseman biting at the heels of the Third Horseman, so that the First Horseman tumbles backward. The judge holds a grudge and becomes the accuser of Judah instead of an impartial arbitrator. False judgment of the harvest leads to bad policy decisions.

 

[Gottservant]

Um, no... I know where and how, and what it all means. I can see time they way in which God and His Prophets describe it. I know the seasons and what is to happen in them. I know the four horsemen by their first names, and have detailed profiles on each one. I know who the lost tribes are and who we knew them as in history. I even know the true meaning of life. Those are just the highlights.

The seals are a tutorial, that gives you the perspective to see beneath the surface and learn the finer details, not unlike the difference between watching a movie (reading just the surface) and reading the novel it was based upon. These same devices (similes, double-entendres, implied/indirect references) are sprinkled through the verses of scripture; learning how to use them is as important as the information directly revealed in the opening of the seals.

This is confusing me still.

Revelation, as the last book of the Bible, is fundamentally "counter-intuitive".

You do not get to access all of it, simply because it is in one place.

I'm not trying to rubbish you, but by the same token my teaching (from God) tells me that the order being proceeded in is: leadership, gospel, seals, trumpets, judgment (from 2000-2500 respectively) - we are not living under judgment revealed by the seals, because the gospel must be preached in all the world first.

 

[Riberra]

Hmm? Did the Apocalypse start and I didn't get the memo? The 4th seal is

"And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth."

I feel like that would be pretty hard to miss if it was open.

You have missed it because you were probably not even born when it happened...

WW1 [1914-1918] and WW2 [1939-1945] who have afflicted the European continent represent 1/4 of the habitable Earth's surface...look on a World Map the superficy of the European continent including Russia and you will see that this represent 1/4 of the Habitable Earth's surface.

 

[Petros2015]

You have missed it because you were probably not even born when it happened...

OK, after considering this and other human history I am willing to consider that the first 5 seals have in fact been opened and we are waiting for the 6th.

 

[BABerean2]

OK, after considering this and other human history I am willing to consider that the first 5 seals have in fact been opened and we are waiting for the 6th.

Based on the text below, no man can open the seals.

Rev 5:4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
Rev 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
Rev 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
Rev 5:7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
Rev 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
Rev 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.


Rev 6:1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

Jesus Christ opened the seals from the book during the first century.

Christ removed the seals one at a time and then John is told... "Come and see."

What John saw was a summary of the Book of Revelation.

The end of chapter 6 is a vision about the future Second Coming of Christ.

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[Small Fish]

OK, after considering this and other human history I am willing to consider that the first 5 seals have in fact been opened and we are waiting for the 6th.

Most people think that the opening (revealing) and the manifestation (happening) of the Seven Seals are the same thing when it is not.

Let me explain.

When you write a letter and seal it, it tells us that whatever is on the inside cannot come out and whatever is on the outside cannot get in. No one else but the designated person are allowed to open it, look and read it.

Only when the seal is broken can the onlooker know what is written on the letter. Still that letter might discuss future events that has not transpired yet. Yet the seal is broken. This information on this letter might be very important to the reader like in times of war. So much more reason to hide it from the enemy (Satan)

This is exactly why this Seven Seals are so important. It is waiting for the right people and the right circumstance at the right time for the Seals to be opened in order to overcome the enemy.

As a matter of fact, the entire Book of Revelation is Sealed to the unbeliever. He cannot understand the Truth that lies behind it. It is the revelation of Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God. So it is sealed to them.

So, in the same way, to say the Seven Seals are open means it is revealed to the true believer. So, in short, no one can understand what the Seven Seals mean until the Lamb has opened it.

As of 2018, the Seven Seals are open/revealed yet much of it still needs to manifest.

The Revelation of the Son of Man lies within these Seven Seals. In Revelation 10 you will find the Mighty Angel (which is Christ Himself) come down with an open book (Seven Sealed book of redemption) and when He does Seven Thunders uttered their voices. This is the coming of Christ spoken of in 1 Thessalonians 4:16.

This event is when the Son of Man is being revealed. This has already happened. The Seales are opened right at this moment but only to the true Believer. The outsider knows nothing about it even if you try to spoonfeed it to them.

Luke 17:29-30

 

[Riberra]

Most people think that the opening (revealing) and the manifestation (happening) of the Seven Seals are the same thing when it is not.

Let me explain.

When you write a letter and seal it, it tells us that whatever is on the inside cannot come out and whatever is on the outside cannot get in. No one else but the designated person are allowed to open it, look and read it.

Only when the seal is broken can the onlooker know what is written on the letter. Still that letter might discuss future events that has not transpired yet. Yet the seal is broken. This information on this letter might be very important to the reader like in times of war. So much more reason to hide it from the enemy (Satan)

This is exactly why this Seven Seals are so important. It is waiting for the right people and the right circumstance at the right time for the Seals to be opened in order to overcome the enemy.

As a matter of fact, the entire Book of Revelation is Sealed to the unbeliever. He cannot understand the Truth that lies behind it. It is the revelation of Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God. So it is sealed to them.

So, in the same way, to say the Seven Seals are open means it is revealed to the true believer. So, in short, no one can understand what the Seven Seals mean until the Lamb has opened it.

As of 2018, the Seven Seals are open/revealed yet much of it still needs to manifest.

-Seal 1 the rider on the White Worse represent Jesus and the Gospel being preached upon[Conquering] the Whole Earth....still in action...
-Seal 2 The rider on the Red Horse represent the Wars who have plagued the Earth since Jesus have ascended to Heaven ..still in action...
-Seal 3 The rider on the Black Horse represent the Famines who have plagued humanity since Jesus have ascended to Heaven ...still in action..
-Seal 4 The rider on the Pale Horse ....Is about A War affflicting 1/4 of the Habitable Earth's surface .WW1 [1914-1918] and WW2 [1939-1945] who have afflicted the European continent represent 1/4 of the habitable Earth's surface...look on a World Map the superficy of the European continent including Russia and you will see that this represent 1/4 of the Habitable Earth's surface.
-Seal 5 The Early Christians WHO DIED MARTYRS like Stephen and The Apostles to whom it was said that their numbers will grownn ...actually there is 70 Millions Christians who DIED Martyrs since Sephen and the Apostles and their numbers is growing each weeks.This continue to this day in Muslim Countries ...

The 6 Th Seal Seal have obviously not been opened in real time ..only in John's vision we have a glimpse of what will happen when the 6Th seal will be opened in real time.There are some on this board who believe that the Earth will be destroyed at the 6 Th Seal ...They have forget to read about the opening of the 7 TH SEAL [Revelation 8]which EVENTS will obviously happen ON THE EARTH.