Why are so many Christians against annihilation in hell when scripture supports it?

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Please explain to mean what exactly makes a translation "literal?" It has been my experience that a "literal translation" is one which supports someone's assumptions/presuppositions. Your argument is a nonsequitur. I see the phrase day and night as further emphasis that εις τους αιωνας των αιωνων/eis tous aionas ton aionon means forever and ever, just as the early church understood it.
Clement [ 30-100] The First Epistle to the Corinthians.
Chap. XI. — Continuation. Lot.
On account of his hospitality and godliness, Lot was saved out of Sodom when all the country round was punished by means of fire and brimstone, the Lord thus making it manifest that He does not forsake those that hope in Him, but gives up such as depart from Him to punishment and torture.


Justin [A.D. 110-165.] The First Apology Chap VIII
And Plato, in like manner, used to say that Rhadamanthus and Minos would punish the wicked who came before them; and we say that the same thing will be done, but at the hand of Christ, and upon the wicked in the same bodies united again to their spirits which are now to undergo everlasting punishment; and not only, as Plato said, for a period of a thousand years.
First Apology Chap.LII
And in what kind of sensation and punishment the wicked are to be, hear from what was said in like manner with reference to this; it is as follows: “Their worm shall not rest, and their fire shall not be quenched;” (Isa_66:24) and then shall they repent, when it profits them not.
Justin Dialogue with Trypho, a Jew. Chap. IV
“‘Then these reap no advantage from their punishment, as it seems: moreover, I would say that they are not punished unless they are conscious of the punishment.’
Irenaeus [A.D. 120-202.] Against Heresies. Book V. Chap. XXVII. —
2. Those, therefore, who cast away by apostasy these forementioned things, being in fact destitute of all good, do experience every kind of punishment. God, however, does not punish them immediately of Himself, but that punishment falls upon them because they are destitute of all that is good. Now, good things are eternal and without end with God, and therefore the loss of these is also eternal and never-ending. It is in this matter just as occurs in the case of a flood of light: those who have blinded themselves, or have been blinded by others, are for ever deprived of the enjoyment of light.
Irenaeus Against Heresies. Book IV Chap XXVI
2. For as, in the New Testament, that faith of men [to be placed] in God has been increased, receiving in addition [to what was already revealed] the Son of God, that man too might be a partaker of God; so is also our walk in life required to be more circumspect, when we are directed not merely to abstain from evil actions, but even from evil thoughts, and from idle words, and empty talk, and scurrilous-language:92 thus also the punishment of those who do not believe the Word of God, and despise His advent, and are turned away backwards, is increased; being not merely temporal, but rendered also eternal.
Tatian’s [a.d. 110-172.] Address to the Greeks. Chap. XIII. — Theory of the Soul’s Immortality.
The soul is not in itself immortal, O Greeks, but mortal.37 Yet it is possible for it not to die. If, indeed, it knows not the truth, it dies, and is dissolved with the body, but rises again at last at the end of the world with the body, receiving death by punishment in immortality.
Clement of Alexandria [a.d. 153-193-217.] Exhortation to the Heathen. Chap X
For God bestows life freely; but evil custom, after our departure from this world, brings on the sinner unavailing remorse with punishment.
Tertullian [a.d. 145-220] Chap. XLVIII. Part First Apology
Therefore after this there is neither death nor repeated resurrections, but we shall be the same that we are now, and still unchanged — the servants of God, ever with God, clothed upon with the proper substance of eternity; but the profane, and all who are not true worshippers of God, in like manner shall be consigned to the punishment of everlasting fire — that fire which, from its very nature indeed, directly ministers to their incorruptibility.
Tertullian VI. On the Resurrection of the Flesh Chap. XXXIV.
We, however, so understand the soul’s immortality as to believe it “lost,” not in the sense of destruction, but of punishment, that is, in hell.
Commodianus [a.d. 240] The Instructions in Favour of Christian Discipline.
Chap XXIX
By and by thou givest up thy life; thou shalt be taken where it grieveth thee to be: there the spiritual punishment, which is eternal, is undergone; there are always wailings: nor dost thou absolutely die therein - there at length too late proclaiming the omnipotent God.
Hippolytus [A.D. 170-236] The Refutation of All Heresies. Chap XXIII
But (they assert) that God is a cause of all things, and that nothing is managed or happens without His will. These likewise acknowledge that there is a resurrection of flesh, and that soul is immortal, and that there will be a judgment and conflagration, and that the righteous will be imperishable, but that the wicked will endure everlasting punishment in unqenchable fire.
Cyprian [A.D. 200-258.] Treatise V. — An Address to Demetrianus.
9. And therefore with reason in these plagues that occur, there are not wanting God’s stripes and scourges; and since they are of no avail in this matter, and do not convert individuals to God by such terror of destructions, there remains after all the eternal dungeon, and the continual fire, and the everlasting punishment; nor shall the groaning of the suppliants be heard there, because here the terror of the angry God was not heard,
24. An ever-burning Gehenna will burn up the condemned, and a punishment devouring with living flames; nor will there be any source whence at any time they may have either respite or end to their torments. Souls with their bodies will be reserved in infinite tortures for suffering.
What hath pride profited us, or what good hath the boasting of riches done us? All those things are passed away like a shadow.” (Wisdom of Solomon 5:1-9) The pain of punishment will then be without the fruit of penitence; weeping will be useless, and prayer ineffectual. Too late they will believe in eternal punishment who would not believe in eternal life.

And what is that suppose to prove? the 3 main beliefs of the early church were eternal torment, annihilation and universal salvation.

I could just as easily quote from those who believed in the salvation of all, but does it really prove anything.

and beside clement has already showed you the early church also believed in the salvation of all.
 
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Where did this "salted" come from. None of the scripture I or you posted says anything about "salted."
Revelation 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
<P3>These where written to the churches and speak of the difference between the overcomer and those who do not overcome, yet are believers in God and Jesus.
The overcomer is a type of the firstfruits unto God.
The firstfruits are a promise of the whole harvest.
Now there is a natural death (physical death) and there is a spiritual death (dying to self).
Those Christians as well as everyone else who have not died to self in this life are those that will be hurt of the second death.

Those who have overcome and died to self or killed off the old man shall not be hurt of the second death because the second death has no power to hurt them, they have already died to self.
Those scriptures are not saying the overcomer does not go through the fire, they are saying that while in the fire they will not be hurt of it. For they ( the overcomer ) are the righteous among us who shall dwell with everlasting burnings.

Is.33
14The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
15He that walketh righteously, and speaketh uprightly; he that despiseth the gain of oppressions, that shaketh his hands from holding of bribes, that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood, and shutteth his eyes from seeing evil;
Brother if one is already dead to sin/the old man, the first half of the cross (death) cannot hurt them because they have already been resurrected in LIFE.
It is via the CROSS the world is judged and that CROSS is the power of God unto salvation.
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A lot of speculation and commentary with no, zero, none scripture to support it mixed together with bits and pieces of other out-of-context scripture. Quoting bits and pieces of scripture out-of-context and and stringing them together someone can make the Bible say almost anything they want. There are still 21 verses of scripture from Rev you have not addressed.

when I speak with people who know the scriptures as you seem to, I very seldom quote the scripture as I assume you know what scriptures I am refer to. now if you don't know the scriptures as well as I thought by all means ask and I will quote from them so you can look it up.

I use to put all the scriptural references in but then it is not so much like having a conversation with people as trying to teach the people.

As to taking the scriptures out of context, how do you know I did that if you do not know what scriptures I am referring to? this out of context seems to always come out when you guys cannot answer a simple question regarding certain scriptures, just as I showed you in my last post (which you have yet to address).

Now why should I make an answer to every scripture you post on? do you realize I have well over a hundred scriptures that speak of the salvation of all, would you like me to post them and expect you to make an answer to every one. Would you do it? then why expect something from another that you would not do yourself.

Heck I posted 6 scriptures in post #610 that speak directly to Jesus being the saviour of the world and you did not address even one.
 
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And what is that suppose to prove? the 3 main beliefs of the early church were eternal torment, annihilation and universal salvation.
Unlike you I provided actual evidence in support of what I said.
I could just as easily quote from those who believed in the salvation of all, but does it really prove anything.
Talk is cheap. I provided evidence.
and beside clement has already showed you the early church also believed in the salvation of all.
Clem showed me nothing except that he can copy/paste second hand quotes from one of his pet UR websites. That is why I don't even read his posts. All he has shown is that one (1) ECF Origen believed in UR.
 
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...Now why should I make an answer to every scripture you post on? do you realize I have well over a hundred scriptures that speak of the salvation of all, would you like me to post them and expect you to make an answer to every one. Would you do it? then why expect something from another that you would not do yourself...
"Well over a hundred" is nonsense. Since this is such a hot topic with UR what I am waiting to see is one verse where God Himself or Jesus Himself is speaking which clearly states that all mankind will be saved. I know that you keep posting 1 Tim 4:10 but it does not disprove any verse which I have posted.
 
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Clem showed me nothing except that he can copy/paste second hand quotes from one of his pet UR websites. That is why I don't even read his posts. All he has shown is that one (1) ECF Origen believed in UR.

No church creed until around at least about 500 A.D. condemned either the belief in eventual universalism or the ultimate salvation of all fallen angelic beings. Origen, Gregory Nyssa, Jerome, St Isaac the Syrian & other church fathers were among those who proclaimed the final universal reconciliation of all created beings. Clement of Alexandria, St. Gregory of Nazianzus, Jerome, Diodorus of Tarsus, Theodore of Mopsuestia & the Ambrosiaster writing are included, with qualifications, by the Catholic Encyclopedia article on Apocatastasis, which states the doctrine was not formally condemned until 543 AD. “The doctrine was thenceforth looked on as heterodox by the Church.” Thereafter followed the dark ages of the next 1000-1400 years, including Inquisitions, Crusades, burning of opposers & their writings, denial of freedoms such as freedom of religion & freedom of speech. Do we really want to follow the “Christian traditions” that bore that fruit?

https://forum.evangelicaluniversalist.com/t/universalism-and-the-salvation-of-satan/89/23


https://www.tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf
http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/unique_proof_for_universalism.html
 
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Unlike you I provided actual evidence in support of what I said.

Talk is cheap. I provided evidence.

Clem showed me nothing except that he can copy/paste second hand quotes from one of his pet UR websites. That is why I don't even read his posts. All he has shown is that one (1) ECF Origen believed in UR.

and you say this is no evidence.

Before you say something is out of context you should really read it in context.

Paul is talking to Tim about doctrine and telling him to hold fast to the doctrine given him and not to be seduced by what he calls the doctrine of devils. Paul goes on to tell Tim exactly what doctrine we are commanded to teach which is...

Jesus Christ is the saviour of ALL MEN, specially of those that believe.

Which just happen to be also what the what all the Prophets taught.

Acts 3:21



Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.


Jn.1:29

The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.


What those who heard Jesus speak taught.

Jn.4:42

And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.




and what the apostle taught.

2co.5:19

To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.



1 jn.2:2

And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.



1 jn.4:14

And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son the Saviour of the world.

Just what greater testimony do you need before you will believe Jesus Christ is the saviour of the world?

And that is why you are wrong DA, it is not because I say so, it is because of the witnesses above who testify that Jesus Christ IS the saviour of the world.

Now can you show us all why these testimonies of Jesus Christ are wrong and your belief in eternal torment is correct?



As to clement you might do well if you actually read his replies, but even if you do not want to do that then do yourself a favor and look up what the early church taught and believed.

Heck Gregory of Nicaea was a presiding member of the council of Nicaea and was a firm believer in the salvation of all.

You do know what the counsel of Nicaea was all about don't you? it is the one that came up with the creed most of Christendom holds to.
 
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"Well over a hundred" is nonsense. Since this is such a hot topic with UR what I am waiting to see is one verse where God Himself or Jesus Himself is speaking which clearly states that all mankind will be saved. I know that you keep posting 1 Tim 4:10 but it does not disprove any verse which I have posted.

Do you not believe scripture is the word of God?
Then would not these testimonies be God breathed?
There now you have 7, the number of completion, telling you Jesus Christ is the saviour of the world.

Before you say something is out of context you should really read it in context.

Paul is talking to Tim about doctrine and telling him to hold fast to the doctrine given him and not to be seduced by what he calls the doctrine of devils. Paul goes on to tell Tim exactly what doctrine we are commanded to teach which is...

Jesus Christ is the saviour of ALL MEN, specially of those that believe.

Which just happen to be also what the what all the Prophets taught.

Acts 3:21



Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.


Jn.1:29

The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.


What those who heard Jesus speak taught.

Jn.4:42

And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.




and what the apostle taught.

2co.5:19

To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.



1 jn.2:2

And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.



1 jn.4:14

And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son the Saviour of the world.

Just what greater testimony do you need before you will believe Jesus Christ is the saviour of the world?

And that is why you are wrong DA, it is not because I say so, it is because of the witnesses above who testify that Jesus Christ IS the saviour of the world.

Now can you show us all why these testimonies of Jesus Christ are wrong and your belief in eternal torment is correct?
 
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No church creed until around at least about 500 A.D. condemned either the belief in eventual universalism or the ultimate salvation of all fallen angelic beings. Origen, Gregory Nyssa, Jerome, St Isaac the Syrian & other church fathers were among those who proclaimed the final universal reconciliation of all created beings. Clement of Alexandria, St. Gregory of Nazianzus, Jerome, Diodorus of Tarsus, Theodore of Mopsuestia & the Ambrosiaster writing are included, with qualifications, by the Catholic Encyclopedia article on Apocatastasis, which states the doctrine was not formally condemned until 543 AD. “The doctrine was thenceforth looked on as heterodox by the Church.” Thereafter followed the dark ages of the next 1000-1400 years, including Inquisitions, Crusades, burning of opposers & their writings, denial of freedoms such as freedom of religion & freedom of speech. Do we really want to follow the “Christian traditions” that bore that fruit?

https://forum.evangelicaluniversalist.com/t/universalism-and-the-salvation-of-satan/89/23


https://www.tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf
http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/unique_proof_for_universalism.html

He says he does not read your posts brother, but keep posting them anyway because others read them and can then see how much in error DA is concerning the salvation of all
 
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"Well over a hundred" is nonsense. Since this is such a hot topic with UR what I am waiting to see is one verse where God Himself or Jesus Himself is speaking which clearly states that all mankind will be saved. I know that you keep posting 1 Tim 4:10 but it does not disprove any verse which I have posted.

For your reading pleasure.

Saviour of all
1 Timothy 2:4
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

It is Gods will for all men to be saved, yet many of Gods own people stand up and say even though it is Gods will that all be saved He cannot perform it. I have asked why and the standard answer is because of man unbelief. What! shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? God forbid.


Daniel 4:35
35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

Do Gods own people not believe the scriptures anymore? Does this scripture not state that God does everything according to His will in the army of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth, and NONE can stay his hand. Does not the potter have power over the clay in His hands?


Ephesians 1:9-11
9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: 10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: 11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

Can we not understand by this that God works all things after the counsel of His own will, so that in the dispensation of the fulness of times He might gather together all things in Christ. Is not bringing all things together in Christ the mystery of His will? A mystery that is being unfolded today, yet many reject it as heresy.



Isaiah 14:24
24 The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand:

God swore by Himself because He can swear by none greater, and we know that God cannot lie therefore surely all His purposes shall come to pass. What purpose did God have in sending His son? Was it not for the salvation of the whole world?
Therefore if the whole world is not saved does God then not become a liar?



Isaiah 14:27
27 For the LORD of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul it? and his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back?

Who shall disannul it? Who shall turn back His hand?
Is there a power greater the God?


Isaiah 46:10-11
10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: 11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.

God counsel shall stand and He will do all His pleasure. Why is this so hard for Christians to understand? He declared from the beginning that which shall be in the end.

Genesis 1:26-27
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.


1 Timothy 4:10
10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

Jesus Christ the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe. Can it be stated any plainer.

1 John 4:14
14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.

Why oh why do so many walk in unbelief of these scriptures? I hear all the time we must have faith, well I ask you were is yours?

Hebrews 2:9
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Jesus Christ tasted DEATH for every man, He did not go into eternal torment and He was not annihilated. The wages of sin is DEATH plain and simple it is not eternal torment or annihilation as so many Christians believe today.

1 Timothy 2:6
6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

He gave Himself a ransom for ALL, not SOME, ALL.
This is what we are supposed to be testifying to.

1 John 2:2
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Jesus was not just the propitiation for the sins of those that believe, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Isaiah 53:6
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Do these scriptures not show the wonder of His sacrifice.

John 1:29
29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Do you believe Johns testimony about Jesus Christ? Or do you believe the testimony of today’s churches? Did He take away the sin of the world or not? Just who do you believe?


John 12:32
32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Draw literally means drag all men unto me, some will come kicking and screaming, but come they will. I speak here of myself.

Colossians 1:16
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

All things are created by Him and for Him. So how can any be lost? Do you honestly believe He created some to be eternally tormented or annihilated? If so then how can they be said to be created FOR Him?

Colossians 1:20
20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

The blood of Jesus Christ was not cheap, we were all bought with a price we are no longer our own but are HIS.

2 Corinthians 5:19
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Can you not see that this is the great commission? That we are to tell the whole world that they have been reconciled to God in Christ.


Romans 5:18
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Was the offence of Adam greater in scope then the free gift of Jesus Christ?
Not according to scripture, yet God own people state otherwise when they proclaim not all men are justified by the life of Christ.
Many have argued the point that all does not mean all here, while if that is the case then not all men are in sin because of Adam. And if that is the case then they have no need of Jesus Christ. ALL radically means ALL here.


Matthew 5:46
46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

Does God only love those that love Him? Do not the scripture proclaim God loves the whole world? He loved the whole world so much that He will eternally torment them or annihilate them. Sounds stupid doesn’t it? Yet many believe it.

Romans 12:17
17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.

I don’t know what would be more evil then God eternally tormenting man or annihilating man. We are told not to do it, are we then to be more compassionate the God Himself?


Acts 3:20-21
20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: 21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

The restitution of all things is not a new age doctrine, this has been proclaimed by God Himself though the mouth of His holy prophets since the world began.


Genesis 22:18
18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

Galatians 3:8
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

All the nations of the earth shall be blessed and justified just as Ro.5:18 proclaims.
There is no blessing or justification in eternal torment or annihilation.

Philippians 2:9-11
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Can scripture make it any plainer then that?
The word bow here is the Greek word kampto meaning to bend the knee in honour and religious veneration.
The word confess here is the Greek word exomologeo meaning to acknowledge openly and joyfully to celebrate in praise of ones honour.



Psalm 86:9
9 All nations whom thou hast made shall come and worship before thee, O Lord; and shall glorify thy name.

Why will all nations whom God has made come and worship Him?

1 Corinthians 15:22
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Because as all in Adam died even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
This is now the second time Paul speaks of all dying in Adam and all being made alive in Christ. The first time is found in Romans chapter 5. Which is a great chapter proclaiming the sufficiency of the cross of our LORD. It is a chapter that needs to be studied in great depth but even a quick scan will reveal that the free gift far exceeds the offence.

Romans 14:9
9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

Not only the Lord of the living but that of the dead also. Jesus Christ simply put is Lord of all.

Acts 10:36
36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all

Psalm 22:27-28
27 All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee. 28 For the kingdom is the LORD’S: and he is the governor among the nations.

Psalm 72:11
11 Yea, all kings shall fall down before him: all nations shall serve him.

Psalm 72:17
17 His name shall endure for ever: his name shall be continued as long as the sun: and men shall be blessed in him: all nations shall call him blessed.

ALL the ENDS of the world shall turn unto the Lord.


Psalm 145:9-10
9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.
10 All thy works shall praise thee, O LORD; and thy saints shall bless thee.

Psalm 136:1
O give thanks unto the LORD; for he is good: for his mercy endureth for ever.

Gods mercy endures for ever over ALL HIS WORKS.

Isaiah 25:8
8 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.

Cannot we see here that DEATH is swallowed up in VICTORY? Too many of Gods own people still give DEATH victory over what Jesus Christ has done. If death like so many believe is forever where oh where is the victory? Do not the scriptures tell us there will be no more death? How can this be if death is forever?


Isaiah 55:10-11
10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: 11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

I really like this one. The WORD did come out from God, made in the likeness of flesh for the salvation of the whole world. And as the WORD was sent forth it will not return void but shall accomplish EVERYTHING that it was sent to do. Why do so many still believe His WORD came in vain? The salvation of the whole world was His purpose in coming so what can we say if He does not fulfill His purpose? There is only one conclusion, His WORD returned void. Believe what you will, I believe His WORD will do exactly what He came to do. Like it or not brothers and sisters Gods WORD Jesus Christ will fulfill to the fullest exactly what He came to do, THE SALVATION OF ALL.
 
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<P3>For your reading pleasure.
Saviour of all
1 Timothy 2:4
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
It is Gods will for all men to be saved, yet many of Gods own people stand up and say even though it is Gods will that all be saved He cannot perform it. I have asked why and the standard answer is because of man unbelief. What! shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? God forbid . . . . There is only one conclusion, His WORD returned void. Believe what you will, I believe His WORD will do exactly what He came to do. Like it or not brothers and sisters Go
ds WORD Jesus Christ will fulfill to the fullest exactly what He came to do, THE SALVATION OF ALL...<end>
And to this I reply. Note this passage from Jeremiah. God said “I have caused to cleave” That word is הדבקתי/ha’dabaq’thi. It is in the perfect or completed sense. God’s will, expressly stated, for the whole house of Israel and Judah, to cling to God as a belt clings to a man’s waist. It was done, finished, completed, in God’s sight, and, according to some arguments, nothing man can do will cause God’s will to not be done. But they, Israel and Judah, would not hear and obey, their will, vs. God’s will, So God destroyed them, vs. 14.
…..This passage very much speaks to God’s sovereign will, and man’s free will and agency. God stated very clearly what His will was, in terms that cannot be misunderstood. But, because the Israelites and Judeans would not hear, and obey, God destroyed them, instead of them being unto God, “for a people, and for a name, and for a praise, and for a glory, vs. 10.”

Jer 13:1 Thus saith the LORD unto me, Go and get thee a linen girdle, and put it upon thy loins, and put it not in water.
2 So I got a girdle according to the word of the LORD, and put it on my loins.
3 And the word of the LORD came unto me the second time, saying,
4 Take the girdle that thou hast got, which is upon thy loins, and arise, go to Euphrates, and hide it there in a hole of the rock.
5 So I went, and hid it by Euphrates, as the LORD commanded me.
6 And it came to pass after many days, that the LORD said unto me, Arise, go to Euphrates, and take the girdle from thence, which I commanded thee to hide there.
7 Then I went to Euphrates, and digged, and took the girdle from the place where I had hid it: and, behold, the girdle was marred, it was profitable for nothing.
8 Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
9 Thus saith the LORD, After this manner will I mar the pride of Judah, and the great pride of Jerusalem.
10 This evil people, which refuse to hear my words, which walk in the imagination of their heart, and walk after other gods, to serve them, and to worship them, shall even be as this girdle, which is good for nothing.
11 For as the girdle cleaveth to the loins of a man, so have I caused to cleave [הדבקתי/ha’dabaq’thi] unto me the whole house of Israel and the whole house of Judah, saith the LORD; that they might be unto me for a people, and for a name, and for a praise, and for a glory: but they would not hear.
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14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.
Note, verse 14, God said He will NOT have pity, will NOT spare, and will NOT have mercy but destroy them.
 
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Philippians 2:9-11
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Can scripture make it any plainer then that?
The word bow here is the Greek word kampto meaning to bend the knee in honour and religious veneration.
The word confess here is the Greek word exomologeo meaning to acknowledge openly and joyfully to celebrate in praise of ones honour
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I have already addressed kampto but will address it again since the error is being repeated.
κάμπτω fut. κάμψω; 1 aor. ἔκαμψα; aor. pass. 3 pl. ἐκάμφθησαν Job 9:13, inf. καμφθῆναι 4 Macc 3:4. (Hom. et al.; pap, LXX, Philo).
① trans. to bend or incline some part of the body, bend, bow freq. as gesture of respect or devotion: τὸν τράχηλον the neck (Aesop, Fab. 452 p. 501, 12f P. ἔκαμψα τὸν ἐμαυτοῦ τράχηλον) B 3:2 (Is 58:5). γόνυ (also pl.) bend the knee as a sign of (religious) devotion (LXX) τινί before someone (SibOr 3, 616f) τῇ Βάαλ Ro 11:4 (3 Km 19:18). Also πρός τινα Eph 3:14. Fig. κ. τὰ γόνατα τῆς καρδίας (s. γόνυ) 1 Cl 57:1.
② intr. (Polyaenus 3, 4, 3 ἔκαμψεν=he bent inward) to assume a bending posture, bend (itself) ἐμοὶ κάμψει πᾶν γόνυ every knee shall bend before me Ro 14:11 (Is 45:23). ἐν τῷ ὀνόματι Ἰησοῦ when the name of Jesus is proclaimed Phil 2:10 (also infl. by Is 45:23).—B. 542. Renehan ’75, 115f. DELG. M-M. TW.
Arndt, W., Danker, F. W., Bauer, W., & Gingrich, F. W. (2000). A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian literature (3rd ed., p. 507). Chicago: University of Chicago Press.

Note the definition does not include "in religious veneration."

ἐξομολογέω (s. next entry and ὁμολογέω) 1 aor. ἐξωμολόγησα; fut. mid. ἐξομολογήσομαι; aor. mid. ἐξωμολογησάμην LXX (quotable since III B.C.—Mitt-Wilck. II/2, 20, 18; 37, 17—PHib 30, 18 [300–271 B.C.]; also LXX, pseudepigr., Philo, Joseph.).
to indicate acceptance of an offer or proposal, promise, consent, act., abs. Lk 22:6 (the act. is found as rarely [perh. Alex. Aphr., An. Mant. II 1 p. 168, 15] as the pass. [perh. SIG 685, 95]).
to make an admission of wrong-doing/sin, confess, admit, mid. (Plut., Eum. 594 [17, 7], Anton. 943 [59, 3] τ. ἀλήθειαν, Stoic. Repugn. 17 p. 1042a; Sus 14; Jos., Bell. 1, 625, Ant. 8, 256) τὶ someth. (POslo 17, 14 [136 A.D.] τὸ ἀληθές; Cyranides p. 100, 18 πάντα ὅσα ἔπραξεν; Orig., C. Cels. 2, 11, 30 τὸ ἡμαρτημένον) τὰς ἁμαρτίας (Jos., Ant. 8, 129; s. the ins in Steinleitner, nos. 13, 5; 23, 2; 24, 11; 25, 10) Mt 3:6; Mk 1:5 (cp. 1QS 1:24–26); Js 5:16 (s. PAlthaus, Zahn Festgabe 1928, 1ff); Hv 1, 1, 3; Hs 9, 23, 4. τὰς ἁ. τῷ κυρίῳ confess sins to the Lord Hv 3, 1, 5, cp. 6. τὰ παραπτώματα ἐν ἐκκλησίᾳ confess transgressions in the congregation D 4:14. περὶ τῶν παραπτωμάτων make a confession of transgressions 1 Cl 51:3. ἐπὶ τ. ἁμαρτίαις for sins B 19:12. Abs. make a confession of sins Ac 19:18; 2 Cl 8:3. W. dat. of the one to whom sins are confessed 1 Cl 52:1, 2 (w. similarity in form to Ps 7:18; 117:19 and sim. Ps passages, but not=praise because of 1 Cl 51:3 [s. 4 below]).—JSchnitzer, D. Beichte im Lichte d. Religionsgesch.: Ztschr. f. Völkerpsychol. 6, 1930, 94–105; RPettazzoni, La confessione dei Peccati II ’35.
to declare openly in acknowledgment, profess, acknowledge, mid. (PHib 30, s. above; POxy 1473, 9; Lucian, Herm. 75) w. ὅτι foll. Phil 2:11 (Is 45:23; s. 4 below).—Nägeli 67.
fr. the mngs. ‘confess’ and ‘profess’ there arose, as Rtzst., Erlösungsmyst. 252 shows, the more general sense to praise, in acknowledgment of divine beneficence and majesty (so mostly LXX; TestJob 40:2 πρὸς τὸν πατέρα ) w. dat. of the one praised (oft. LXX; TestSol 1:5; Philo, Leg. All. 1, 80) σοί (2 Km 22:50; 1 Ch 29:13; Ps 85:12; 117:28 al.; Did., Gen. 60, 20) Mt 11:25=Lk 10:21 (s. Norden, Agn. Th. 277–308; JWeiss, GHeinrici Festschr. 1914, 120ff; TArvedson, D. Mysterium Chr. [Mt 11:25–30] ’37; NWilliams, ET 51, ’40, 182–86; 215–20; AHunter, NTS 8, ’62, 241–49); Ro 15:9 (Ps 17:50); 1 Cl 26:2; 61:3; B 6:16 (cp. Ps 34:18). τῷ θεῷ (Tob 14:7; Philo, Leg. All. 2, 95) Ro 14:11 (Is 45:23); τῷ κυρίῳ (fr. Gen 29:35 on, oft. in LXX) 1 Cl 48:2 (Ps 117:19); Hm 10, 3, 2.—DELG s.v. ὁμός. M-M. EDNT. TW. Sv.
Arndt, W., Danker, F. W., Bauer, W., & Gingrich, F. W. (2000). A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian literature (3rd ed., p. 351). Chicago: University of Chicago Press.

Note the definition does not include "acknowledge openly and joyfully to celebrate in praise of ones honour..."


 
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Before I begin I want to say that I am in no way one of those people who believe in annihilation to please my flesh or rely on my own understanding to make myself feel better. Sure you can use God's character as an argument, but I am here to show you pure biblical evidence where God clearly states the punishment for sin is death. If I saw in scripture God clearly say the wicked will have eternal conscious torment and hell is an eternal torture chamber, I would still trust him and accept that. But I just don't see the biblical evidence for this popular belief and ironically enough, so many Christians who are deep in the bible and far in their walk believe this view and think the truth (death of the wicked) is unbiblcal. I think scripture was twisted and the church popularized this false belief, and they obviously did a good job in it. As a side note, I truly think ceasing to exist is actually the worst punishment of all because you will never get a chance for life and you can never feel anything, so God is still just in that case and the wicked will pay for rejecting God. Some people believe in universal salvation which I do think is unbiblical.

I believe the lake of fire is a very real place. It clearly says the lake of fire is real in scripture, and there will be torment and punishment in there before the souls of the wicked perish and God restores his creation. When God makes the new heaven and new earth as stated in revelation, there will be no more room for suffering and evil. All evil will die and there will be no more need for existence of it. A lot of people make the argument that all souls are eternal, but that doesn't make any sense because before we were born, we did not exist. So we are not eternal in the way God is. Not to mention God has the power to destroy souls because he is the almighty creator. The bible says the righteous will have everlasting LIFE and the wicked will PERISH. It says the wages of sin is DEATH. The bible talks about everlasting "destruction". It says evil and hell will be thrown into the lake and fire for the second DEATH. I know a lot of people will make the argument death only refers to spiritual death, but it does not specifically say this in the bible, death means death, not only spiritual death but the death of your soul, and it seems pretty clear in the bible so there is no need to add to it. Most of all it talks about how the gift Jesus gives to the righteous is life, and if you don't believe in him you will receive the opposite which is death. The eternal punishment the bible talks about is the destruction of the soul for eternity.

Here is the biblical evidence:

Psalm 1:6 "For the Lord knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish."

Psalm 37:20 "But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away." Psalm 69:28 "Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous" Psalm 34:16 "The face of the Lord is against them that do evil, to cut off the remembrance of them from the earth."

Psalm 92:7 "When the wicked spring as the grass, and when all the workers of iniquity do flourish; it is that they shall be destroyed for ever:"

Proverbs 24:20 "For there shall be no reward to the evil man; the candle of the wicked shall be put out"

Isaiah 1:28, 30-31 "And the destruction of the transgressors and of the sinners shall be together, and they that forsake the LORD shall be consumed."

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

Matthew 7:13 "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:"

Philippians 3:19 "Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things."

1 Corinthians 3:17 "If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy;"

Revelation 20:14 "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death"

The Greek word for perish is
apóllymi which means

1) to destroy a) to put out of the way entirely, abolish, put an end to ruin b) render useless c) to kill d) to declare that one must be put to death e) metaph. to devote or give over to eternal misery in hell f) to perish, to be lost, ruined, destroyed

2) to destroy a) to lose

“Then the devil, who had deceived them, was thrown into the fiery lake of burning sulfur, joining the beast and the false prophet. There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20:10
 
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...Psalm 86:9
9 All nations whom thou hast made shall come and worship before thee, O Lord; and shall glorify thy name.
Why will all nations whom God has made come and worship Him?
Psalm 22:27-28
27 All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee. 28 For the kingdom is the LORD’S: and he is the governor among the nations.
Psalm 72:11
11 Yea, all kings shall fall down before him: all nations shall serve him.
Psalm 72:17
17 His name shall endure for ever: his name shall be continued as long as the sun: and men shall be blessed in him: all nations shall call him blessed.
ALL the ENDS of the world shall turn unto the Lord.
Psalm 145:9-10
9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.
10 All thy works shall praise thee, O LORD; and thy saints shall bless thee.
Psalm 136:1
O give thanks unto the LORD; for he is good: for his mercy endureth for ever.
Gods mercy endures for ever over ALL HIS WORKS
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And the Psalmist also said.
Psa 9:5
(5) You have rebuked the nations and destroyed the wicked; you have blotted out their name for ever and ever.
Psa 21:10
(10) You will destroy their descendants from the earth, their posterity from mankind.
Psa 63:9-10
(9) Those who want to kill me will be destroyed; they will go down to the depths of the earth.
(10) They will be given over to the sword and become food for jackals.
Psa 73:27
(27) Those who are far from you will perish; you destroy all who are unfaithful to you.
Psa 94:23
(23) He will repay them for their sins and destroy them for their wickedness; the LORD our God will destroy them.
Psa 145:20
(20) The LORD watches over all who love him, but all the wicked he will destroy.
Psa 1:6
(6) For the LORD watches over the way of the righteous, but the way of the wicked leads to destruction.
Psa 58:10
(10) The righteous will be glad when they are avenged, when they dip their feet in the blood of the wicked.
Psa 92:7
(7) that though the wicked spring up like grass and all evildoers flourish, they will be destroyed forever.
Psa 104:35
(35) But may sinners vanish from the earth and the wicked be no more. Praise the LORD, my soul. Praise the LORD.


 
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"So have I caused — Rather, had I caused; to cleave unto me the house of Israel — I had betrothed them to myself in righteousness, and entered into a marriage covenant with them, that they might cleave to me as a wife cleaveth to her husband. By the laws I gave them, the prophets I sent among them, and the favours which, in my providence, I showed them, I brought them near to myself, and allowed them access to me, and intercourse with me, above every other nation. That they might be unto me for a people — A peculiar people; that they might have the honour of being called by my name; and for a praise and a glory — That I might be glorified by their showing forth my power, goodness, and faithfulness, and all my other glorious perfections to the world, so that I might be honoured and praised through them."

https://biblehub.com/commentaries/jeremiah/13-11.htm



<P3>For your reading pleasure.
Saviour of all
1 Timothy 2:4
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
It is Gods will for all men to be saved, yet many of Gods own people stand up and say even though it is Gods will that all be saved He cannot perform it. I have asked why and the standard answer is because of man unbelief. What! shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? God forbid . . . . There is only one conclusion, His WORD returned void. Believe what you will, I believe His WORD will do exactly what He came to do. Like it or not brothers and sisters Go
ds WORD Jesus Christ will fulfill to the fullest exactly what He came to do, THE SALVATION OF ALL...<end>
And to this I reply. Note this passage from Jeremiah. God said “I have caused to cleave” That word is הדבקתי/ha’dabaq’thi. It is in the perfect or completed sense. God’s will, expressly stated, for the whole house of Israel and Judah, to cling to God as a belt clings to a man’s waist. It was done, finished, completed, in God’s sight, and, according to some arguments, nothing man can do will cause God’s will to not be done. But they, Israel and Judah, would not hear and obey, their will, vs. God’s will, So God destroyed them, vs. 14.
…..This passage very much speaks to God’s sovereign will, and man’s free will and agency. God stated very clearly what His will was, in terms that cannot be misunderstood. But, because the Israelites and Judeans would not hear, and obey, God destroyed them, instead of them being unto God, “for a people, and for a name, and for a praise, and for a glory, vs. 10.”

Jer 13:1 Thus saith the LORD unto me, Go and get thee a linen girdle, and put it upon thy loins, and put it not in water.
2 So I got a girdle according to the word of the LORD, and put it on my loins.
3 And the word of the LORD came unto me the second time, saying,
4 Take the girdle that thou hast got, which is upon thy loins, and arise, go to Euphrates, and hide it there in a hole of the rock.
5 So I went, and hid it by Euphrates, as the LORD commanded me.
6 And it came to pass after many days, that the LORD said unto me, Arise, go to Euphrates, and take the girdle from thence, which I commanded thee to hide there.
7 Then I went to Euphrates, and digged, and took the girdle from the place where I had hid it: and, behold, the girdle was marred, it was profitable for nothing.
8 Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
9 Thus saith the LORD, After this manner will I mar the pride of Judah, and the great pride of Jerusalem.
10 This evil people, which refuse to hear my words, which walk in the imagination of their heart, and walk after other gods, to serve them, and to worship them, shall even be as this girdle, which is good for nothing.
11 For as the girdle cleaveth to the loins of a man, so have I caused to cleave [הדבקתי/ha’dabaq’thi] unto me the whole house of Israel and the whole house of Judah, saith the LORD; that they might be unto me for a people, and for a name, and for a praise, and for a glory: but they would not hear.
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14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.
Note, verse 14, God said He will NOT have pity, will NOT spare, and will NOT have mercy but destroy them.

Yet nowhere in Scripture does it say those destroyed (i.e. killed) cannot be saved postmortem. Or that they cannot receive correction and mercy postmortem. 1 Cor.5:4-5 says destruction is for salvation. And Mt.1:21 + 2:6; Rom.11:26; Isa.45:21-25 all Israel shall be saved.

https://www.tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf

Read the scripture again.
Jeremiah 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.
This is God speaking, so don't quote anything but God speaking. Show me where God Himself said about the Israelites He destroyed in Jerem., because they rejected Him, "Oops
I changed my mind and now I will have mercy, I will have pity. I will spare and I will undestroy you?

Show me where that quote or context says after he destroyed them, i.e. killed their body, that he would also never have mercy on their - souls - postmortem. If you can't do that, then as far as opposing universalism your verse fails with all the other lame attempts to oppose universalism & is discarded into the trash can of failed attempts to oppose universalism.

Premise 1: God desires all be saved.... 1 Timothy 2:4: "[God] who desires(THELO) all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth."

Premise 2: God does all He desires(THELO, Strongs #2709) (Isa.55:11; Psa.115:3; 135:6).

Conclusion: All will be saved

https://www.christianforums.com/thr...oes-all-he-desires-all-will-be-saved.8056763/

You keep trying to shift the burden of proof to me when it is all yours. Here is what scripture says.
Jeremiah 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.
God is speaking in this verse, Can you show me any verse where God Himself is speaking, not Paul or some other writer, said about the Israelites He destroyed in Jer 13:14.,
because they rejected Him, "Oops I changed my mind and now I will have mercy, I will have pity. I will spare and I will undestroy and save them?

If He didn't have pity - as regards the particular judgment in view - of the context - and killed them, how does that address what happens to them postmortem? Does He say
that after He destroys/kills them that He will - never - have mercy on them in the afterlife also? Or is the passage completely silent about any postmortem consequences?
Does the context even mention "hell"? No. Compare this a few chapters later from the same book & author:

Jeremiah 21:7
"Then afterwards," declares the LORD, "I will give over Zedekiah king of Judah and his servants and the people, even those who survive in this city from the pestilence, the
sword and the famine, into the hand of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, and into the hand of their foes and into the hand of those who seek their lives; and he will strike
them down with the edge of the sword. He will not spare them nor have pity nor compassion."

Which proves the "not sparing" & not "having pity" is related to this life only and the particular judgement in view - in the context - i.e. being killed..."he will strike
them down with the edge of the sword". It has nothing to do with anything beyond this life, or postmortem consequences.

Show me where that quote or context says after He destroyed them, i.e. killed their body, that He would also never have mercy on their - souls - postmortem. If you can't do that, then as far as opposing universalism your verse fails with all the other lame attempts to oppose universalism & is discarded into the trash can of failed attempts to oppose universalism.

Nowhere in Scripture does it say those destroyed (i.e. killed) cannot be saved postmortem. Or that they cannot receive correction and mercy postmortem. 1 Cor.5:4-5 says destruction is for salvation. And Mt.1:21 + 2:6; Rom.11:26; Isa.45:21-25 all Israel shall be saved.

Many scriptures show God's punishments in this life are corrective & there's nothing in the Bible saying that He suddenly changes His ways in that regard postmortem.

Hab.1:12 O LORD my God, my Holy One, you who are eternal--surely you do not plan to wipe us out? O LORD, our Rock, you have sent these Babylonians to correct us, to punish us for our many sins.

Because I have sinned against him, I will bear the LORD’s wrath, until he pleads my case and upholds my cause. He will bring me out into the light;I will see his righteousness. (Micah 7:9)

Isaiah 12:1
Then you will say on that day, "I will give thanks to You, O LORD; For although You were angry with me, Your anger is turned away, And You comfort me.

Hosea 6:1
"Come, let us return to the LORD. For He has torn us, but He will heal us; He has wounded us, but He will bandage us.

Isa.57:17 “Because of the iniquity of his unjust gain I was angry and struck him;
I hid My face and was angry, And he went on turning away, in the way of his heart.

18“I have seen his ways, but I will heal him;
I will lead him and restore comfort to him and to his mourners,

Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.

It seems they will "come to Him" & "be ashamed" of themselves:

Isa.45:24 The people will declare, "The LORD is the source of all my righteousness and strength." And all who were angry with him will come to him and be ashamed.

And he that "comes to Him" shall find rest & He shall not cast out (Mt.11:28; Jn.6:37).

Isa.45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Heb.10:28 A man that hath set at nought Moses' law dieth without compassion on the word of two or three witnesses: 29 of how much sorer punishment, think ye, shall he be judged worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Stoning to death is not a very sore or long lasting punishment. People suffered far worse deaths via the torture methods of the eternal hell believing Medieval Inquisitionists and the German Nazis under Hitler.

Therefore, if the writer of Hebrews believed that wicked, rebellious, Christ rejectors would be punished with something so monstrous as being endlessly annihilated or tormented, he would not have chosen to compare their punishment to something so lame as being stoned to death. Clearly he did not believe Love Omnipotent is an unfeeling terminator machine or sadist who abandons forever the beings He created in His own image & likeness so easily.

https://www.tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf
 
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<P3>For your reading pleasure.
Saviour of all
1 Timothy 2:4
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
It is Gods will for all men to be saved, yet many of Gods own people stand up and say even though it is Gods will that all be saved He cannot perform it. I have asked why and the standard answer is because of man unbelief. What! shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? God forbid . . . . There is only one conclusion, His WORD returned void. Believe what you will, I believe His WORD will do exactly what He came to do. Like it or not brothers and sisters Go
ds WORD Jesus Christ will fulfill to the fullest exactly what He came to do, THE SALVATION OF ALL...<end>
And to this I reply. Note this passage from Jeremiah. God said “I have caused to cleave” That word is הדבקתי/ha’dabaq’thi. It is in the perfect or completed sense. God’s will, expressly stated, for the whole house of Israel and Judah, to cling to God as a belt clings to a man’s waist. It was done, finished, completed, in God’s sight, and, according to some arguments, nothing man can do will cause God’s will to not be done. But they, Israel and Judah, would not hear and obey, their will, vs. God’s will, So God destroyed them, vs. 14.
…..This passage very much speaks to God’s sovereign will, and man’s free will and agency. God stated very clearly what His will was, in terms that cannot be misunderstood. But, because the Israelites and Judeans would not hear, and obey, God destroyed them, instead of them being unto God, “for a people, and for a name, and for a praise, and for a glory, vs. 10.”

Jer 13:1 Thus saith the LORD unto me, Go and get thee a linen girdle, and put it upon thy loins, and put it not in water.
2 So I got a girdle according to the word of the LORD, and put it on my loins.
3 And the word of the LORD came unto me the second time, saying,
4 Take the girdle that thou hast got, which is upon thy loins, and arise, go to Euphrates, and hide it there in a hole of the rock.
5 So I went, and hid it by Euphrates, as the LORD commanded me.
6 And it came to pass after many days, that the LORD said unto me, Arise, go to Euphrates, and take the girdle from thence, which I commanded thee to hide there.
7 Then I went to Euphrates, and digged, and took the girdle from the place where I had hid it: and, behold, the girdle was marred, it was profitable for nothing.
8 Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
9 Thus saith the LORD, After this manner will I mar the pride of Judah, and the great pride of Jerusalem.
10 This evil people, which refuse to hear my words, which walk in the imagination of their heart, and walk after other gods, to serve them, and to worship them, shall even be as this girdle, which is good for nothing.
11 For as the girdle cleaveth to the loins of a man, so have I caused to cleave [הדבקתי/ha’dabaq’thi] unto me the whole house of Israel and the whole house of Judah, saith the LORD; that they might be unto me for a people, and for a name, and for a praise, and for a glory: but they would not hear.
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14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.
Note, verse 14, God said He will NOT have pity, will NOT spare, and will NOT have mercy but destroy them.

Do you believe everything ends in the old? try looking in the new and read Romans 11 for ALL that were cast off will be gathered back in and ALL Israel will be saved.
 
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I have already addressed kampto but will address it again since the error is being repeated.
κάμπτω fut. κάμψω; 1 aor. ἔκαμψα; aor. pass. 3 pl. ἐκάμφθησαν Job 9:13, inf. καμφθῆναι 4 Macc 3:4. (Hom. et al.; pap, LXX, Philo).
① trans. to bend or incline some part of the body, bend, bow freq. as gesture of respect or devotion: τὸν τράχηλον the neck (Aesop, Fab. 452 p. 501, 12f P. ἔκαμψα τὸν ἐμαυτοῦ τράχηλον) B 3:2 (Is 58:5). γόνυ (also pl.) bend the knee as a sign of (religious) devotion (LXX) τινί before someone (SibOr 3, 616f) τῇ Βάαλ Ro 11:4 (3 Km 19:18). Also πρός τινα Eph 3:14. Fig. κ. τὰ γόνατα τῆς καρδίας (s. γόνυ) 1 Cl 57:1.
② intr. (Polyaenus 3, 4, 3 ἔκαμψεν=he bent inward) to assume a bending posture, bend (itself) ἐμοὶ κάμψει πᾶν γόνυ every knee shall bend before me Ro 14:11 (Is 45:23). ἐν τῷ ὀνόματι Ἰησοῦ when the name of Jesus is proclaimed Phil 2:10 (also infl. by Is 45:23).—B. 542. Renehan ’75, 115f. DELG. M-M. TW.
Arndt, W., Danker, F. W., Bauer, W., & Gingrich, F. W. (2000). A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian literature (3rd ed., p. 507). Chicago: University of Chicago Press.

Note the definition does not include "in religious veneration."

ἐξομολογέω (s. next entry and ὁμολογέω) 1 aor. ἐξωμολόγησα; fut. mid. ἐξομολογήσομαι; aor. mid. ἐξωμολογησάμην LXX (quotable since III B.C.—Mitt-Wilck. II/2, 20, 18; 37, 17—PHib 30, 18 [300–271 B.C.]; also LXX, pseudepigr., Philo, Joseph.).
to indicate acceptance of an offer or proposal, promise, consent, act., abs. Lk 22:6 (the act. is found as rarely [perh. Alex. Aphr., An. Mant. II 1 p. 168, 15] as the pass. [perh. SIG 685, 95]).
to make an admission of wrong-doing/sin, confess, admit, mid. (Plut., Eum. 594 [17, 7], Anton. 943 [59, 3] τ. ἀλήθειαν, Stoic. Repugn. 17 p. 1042a; Sus 14; Jos., Bell. 1, 625, Ant. 8, 256) τὶ someth. (POslo 17, 14 [136 A.D.] τὸ ἀληθές; Cyranides p. 100, 18 πάντα ὅσα ἔπραξεν; Orig., C. Cels. 2, 11, 30 τὸ ἡμαρτημένον) τὰς ἁμαρτίας (Jos., Ant. 8, 129; s. the ins in Steinleitner, nos. 13, 5; 23, 2; 24, 11; 25, 10) Mt 3:6; Mk 1:5 (cp. 1QS 1:24–26); Js 5:16 (s. PAlthaus, Zahn Festgabe 1928, 1ff); Hv 1, 1, 3; Hs 9, 23, 4. τὰς ἁ. τῷ κυρίῳ confess sins to the Lord Hv 3, 1, 5, cp. 6. τὰ παραπτώματα ἐν ἐκκλησίᾳ confess transgressions in the congregation D 4:14. περὶ τῶν παραπτωμάτων make a confession of transgressions 1 Cl 51:3. ἐπὶ τ. ἁμαρτίαις for sins B 19:12. Abs. make a confession of sins Ac 19:18; 2 Cl 8:3. W. dat. of the one to whom sins are confessed 1 Cl 52:1, 2 (w. similarity in form to Ps 7:18; 117:19 and sim. Ps passages, but not=praise because of 1 Cl 51:3 [s. 4 below]).—JSchnitzer, D. Beichte im Lichte d. Religionsgesch.: Ztschr. f. Völkerpsychol. 6, 1930, 94–105; RPettazzoni, La confessione dei Peccati II ’35.
to declare openly in acknowledgment, profess, acknowledge, mid. (PHib 30, s. above; POxy 1473, 9; Lucian, Herm. 75) w. ὅτι foll. Phil 2:11 (Is 45:23; s. 4 below).—Nägeli 67.
fr. the mngs. ‘confess’ and ‘profess’ there arose, as Rtzst., Erlösungsmyst. 252 shows, the more general sense to praise, in acknowledgment of divine beneficence and majesty (so mostly LXX; TestJob 40:2 πρὸς τὸν πατέρα ) w. dat. of the one praised (oft. LXX; TestSol 1:5; Philo, Leg. All. 1, 80) σοί (2 Km 22:50; 1 Ch 29:13; Ps 85:12; 117:28 al.; Did., Gen. 60, 20) Mt 11:25=Lk 10:21 (s. Norden, Agn. Th. 277–308; JWeiss, GHeinrici Festschr. 1914, 120ff; TArvedson, D. Mysterium Chr. [Mt 11:25–30] ’37; NWilliams, ET 51, ’40, 182–86; 215–20; AHunter, NTS 8, ’62, 241–49); Ro 15:9 (Ps 17:50); 1 Cl 26:2; 61:3; B 6:16 (cp. Ps 34:18). τῷ θεῷ (Tob 14:7; Philo, Leg. All. 2, 95) Ro 14:11 (Is 45:23); τῷ κυρίῳ (fr. Gen 29:35 on, oft. in LXX) 1 Cl 48:2 (Ps 117:19); Hm 10, 3, 2.—DELG s.v. ὁμός. M-M. EDNT. TW. Sv.
Arndt, W., Danker, F. W., Bauer, W., & Gingrich, F. W. (2000). A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian literature (3rd ed., p. 351). Chicago: University of Chicago Press.

Note the definition does not include "acknowledge openly and joyfully to celebrate in praise of ones honour..."


LOL you need to read you own lexicon better, I will help you by highlighting.

and I can give you strong's which does include acknowledge openly and joyfully in praise of one honor.

STRONGS NT 2578: κάμπτω
κάμπτω; future καμψω; 1 aorist ἐκαμψα;
a. to bend, bow: τό γόνυ (and τά γούνατα), the knee (the knees), used by Homer of those taking a seat or sitting down to rest (Iliad 7, 118; 19, 72); in Biblical Greek with the dative of person to one i. e. in honor of one, in religious veneration; used of worshippers: Romans 11:4 and 1 Kings 19:18 (where for כָּרַע followed by לְ); πρός τινα, toward (unto) one, Ephesians 3:14.
b. reflexively, to bow oneself: κάμψει πᾶν γόνυ ἐμοί, shall bow to me (in honor), i. e. everyone shall worship me, Romans 14:11 (from Isaiah 45:23); ἐν τῷ ὀνόματι Ἰησοῦ, in devout recognition of the name (of κύριος) which Jesus received from God, Philippians 2:10 (cf. Winers Grammar, 390 (365); Lightfoot, Meyer, in the place cited; also ὄνομα, especially sub at the end. Compare: ἀνακάμπτω, συγκάμπτω).

But I know you reject Strong's just as you do YLT to your own detriment.

even better try looking it up in scripture as kampto is only used in religious veneration.
However we have already seen that you prefer BDAG definition over how the scripture themselves define a word.

Funny how I can rely on scripture to defend the salvation of all, but you must rely on man.

Tis why you have yet to address these testimonies.


Do you not believe scripture is the word of God?
Then would not these testimonies be God breathed?
There now you have 7, the number of completion, telling you Jesus Christ is the saviour of the world.

Before you say something is out of context you should really read it in context.

Paul is talking to Tim about doctrine and telling him to hold fast to the doctrine given him and not to be seduced by what he calls the doctrine of devils. Paul goes on to tell Tim exactly what doctrine we are commanded to teach which is...

Jesus Christ is the saviour of ALL MEN, specially of those that believe.

Which just happen to be also what the what all the Prophets taught.

Acts 3:21



Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.


Jn.1:29

The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.


What those who heard Jesus speak taught.

Jn.4:42

And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.




and what the apostle taught.

2co.5:19

To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.



1 jn.2:2

And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.



1 jn.4:14

And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son the Saviour of the world.

Just what greater testimony do you need before you will believe Jesus Christ is the saviour of the world?

And that is why you are wrong DA, it is not because I say so, it is because of the witnesses above who testify that Jesus Christ IS the saviour of the world.

Now can you show us all why these testimonies of Jesus Christ are wrong and your belief in eternal torment is correct?
 
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...Psalm 86:9
9 All nations whom thou hast made shall come and worship before thee, O Lord; and shall glorify thy name.
Why will all nations whom God has made come and worship Him?
Psalm 22:27-28
27 All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee. 28 For the kingdom is the LORD’S: and he is the governor among the nations.
Psalm 72:11
11 Yea, all kings shall fall down before him: all nations shall serve him.
Psalm 72:17
17 His name shall endure for ever: his name shall be continued as long as the sun: and men shall be blessed in him: all nations shall call him blessed.
ALL the ENDS of the world shall turn unto the Lord.
Psalm 145:9-10
9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.
10 All thy works shall praise thee, O LORD; and thy saints shall bless thee.
Psalm 136:1
O give thanks unto the LORD; for he is good: for his mercy endureth for ever.
Gods mercy endures for ever over ALL HIS WORKS
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And the Psalmist also said.
Psa 9:5
(5) You have rebuked the nations and destroyed the wicked; you have blotted out their name for ever and ever.
Psa 21:10
(10) You will destroy their descendants from the earth, their posterity from mankind.
Psa 63:9-10
(9) Those who want to kill me will be destroyed; they will go down to the depths of the earth.
(10) They will be given over to the sword and become food for jackals.
Psa 73:27
(27) Those who are far from you will perish; you destroy all who are unfaithful to you.
Psa 94:23
(23) He will repay them for their sins and destroy them for their wickedness; the LORD our God will destroy them.
Psa 145:20
(20) The LORD watches over all who love him, but all the wicked he will destroy.
Psa 1:6
(6) For the LORD watches over the way of the righteous, but the way of the wicked leads to destruction.
Psa 58:10
(10) The righteous will be glad when they are avenged, when they dip their feet in the blood of the wicked.
Psa 92:7
(7) that though the wicked spring up like grass and all evildoers flourish, they will be destroyed forever.
Psa 104:35
(35) But may sinners vanish from the earth and the wicked be no more. Praise the LORD, my soul. Praise the LORD.


so are you saying you believe some scripture and not others? reconcile them, you cannot but for me it is to easy.
 
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I have already addressed kampto but will address it again since the error is being repeated.

κάμπτω fut. κάμψω; 1 aor. ἔκαμψα; aor. pass. 3 pl. ἐκάμφθησαν Job 9:13, inf. καμφθῆναι 4 Macc 3:4. (Hom. et al.; pap, LXX, Philo).
① trans. to bend or incline some part of the body, bend, bow freq. as gesture of respect or devotion: τὸν τράχηλον the neck (Aesop, Fab. 452 p. 501, 12f P. ἔκαμψα τὸν ἐμαυτοῦ τράχηλον) B 3:2 (Is 58:5). γόνυ (also pl.) bend the knee as a sign of (religious) devotion (LXX) τινί before someone (SibOr 3, 616f) τῇ Βάαλ Ro 11:4 (3 Km 19:18). Also πρός τινα Eph 3:14. Fig. κ. τὰ γόνατα τῆς καρδίας (s. γόνυ) 1 Cl 57:1.
② intr. (Polyaenus 3, 4, 3 ἔκαμψεν=he bent inward) to assume a bending posture, bend (itself) ἐμοὶ κάμψει πᾶν γόνυ every knee shall bend before me Ro 14:11 (Is 45:23). ἐν τῷ ὀνόματι Ἰησοῦ when the name of Jesus is proclaimed Phil 2:10 (also infl. by Is 45:23).—B. 542. Renehan ’75, 115f. DELG. M-M. TW.
Arndt, W., Danker, F. W., Bauer, W., & Gingrich, F. W. (2000). A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian literature (3rd ed., p. 507). Chicago: University of Chicago Press.

Note the definition does not include "in religious veneration."


"bend the knee in worship, LXX Is.45.23, etc.":

https://translate.academic.ru/κάμπτω/el/xx/

"In the NT κάμπτω is found only in combination with γόνυ (γόνατα), and in this connection it is used trans. with γόνυ (γόνατα) as obj. (R. 11:4; Eph. 3:14) and instrans. with γόνυ as subj. (R. 14:11; Phil.2:10)."

"κάμπτειν γόνυ (γόνατα) is the gesture of full inner submission in worship before the one whom we bow the knee. Thus in R. 14:11 bowing the knee is linked with confession within the context of a judgement scene, and in Phil. 2:10 it again accompanies confession with reference to the worship of the exalted Kyrios Jesus by the cosmos. At R. 11:4 κάμπτειν γόνυ τῇ Βάαλ signifies surrender to Baal, and at Eph. 3:14...is a solemn description of the attitude of submission to God in prayer" (Theological Dictionary of the New Testament (TDNT), Vol.3, p.594-595, Heinrich Schlier, ed. Kittel., Eerdmans, 1978).

Thayer's Lexicon:
"b. reflexively, to bow oneself: κάμψει πᾶν γόνυ ἐμοί, shall bow to me (in honor), i. e. everyone shall worship me, Romans 14:11 (from Isaiah 45:23); ἐν τῷ ὀνόματι Ἰησοῦ, in devout recognition of the name (of κύριος) which Jesus received from God, Philippians 2:10 (cf. Winers Grammar, 390 (365); Lightfoot, Meyer, in the place cited; also ὄνομα, especially sub at the end. Compare: ἀνακάμπτω, συγκάμπτω)." https://biblehub.com/greek/2578.htm


"STRONGS NT 2578: κάμπτω
κάμπτω; future καμψω; 1 aorist ἐκαμψα;
a. to bend, bow: τό γόνυ (and τά γούνατα), the knee (the knees), used by Homer of those taking a seat or sitting down to rest (Iliad 7, 118; 19, 72); in Biblical Greek with the dative of person to one i. e. in honor of one, in religious veneration; used of worshippers: Romans 11:4 and 1 Kings 19:18 (where for כָּרַע followed by לְ); πρός τινα, toward (unto) one, Ephesians 3:14.

"b. reflexively, to bow oneself: κάμψει πᾶν γόνυ ἐμοί, shall bow to me (in honor), i. e. everyone shall worship me, Romans 14:11 (from Isaiah 45:23); ἐν τῷ ὀνόματι Ἰησοῦ, in devout recognition of the name (of κύριος) which Jesus received from God, Philippians 2:10 (cf. Winers Grammar, 390 (365); Lightfoot, Meyer, in the place cited; also ὄνομα, especially sub at the end. Compare: ἀνακάμπτω,συγκάμπτω)."
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G2578&t=KJV

"Vincent's Word Studies
At the name of Jesus (ἐν τῷ ὀνόματι)
Rev., better, in the name. The name means here the personal name; but as including all that is involved in the name. See on Matthew 28:19. Hence the salutation is not at the name of Jesus, as by bowing when the name is uttered, but, as Ellicott rightly says: "the spiritual sphere, the holy element as it were, in which every prayer is to be offered and every knee to bow." Compare Ephesians 5:20." https://biblehub.com/commentaries/philippians/2-10.htm

"kampo...2578..."to bend", is used especially of bending the knees in religious veneration, Rom. 11:4; 14:11; Eph.3:14; Phil.2:10..." (Vine's Complete Expository Dictionary of Old & New Testament Words, 1996, p.75)

"2578...To bend, such as the knees, to which it is applied in the NT (Rom 11:4, "bent the knee in homage" [a.t.] or worship; Rom 11:4 quoted from Isa 45:23; Eph.3:14, followed by pros [4314], toward with the acc,: Phil 2:10)" (The Complete WordStudy Dictionary: New Testament, ed. Spiros Zodhiates, Th.D, 1993, p.817).

"2:10-11 These final verses of the christologial hymn describe the universal homage and acclamation that will be accorded the one whose name ranks above all others...the adoration is in honour of the exalted Christ...the parallel words of v.11b describe explicitly the act of reverence as paid directly to the Son and 'to the glory of God the Father'. It is clear that Jesus is the one being worshipped."

"...'Every knee shall bow'. The universal scope of the adoration offered to Jesus as Lord is described by the words 'every knee shall bow' and 'every tongue confess'. (v.11)...The bending of the knee was an expression denoting great reverence and submission in the OT, especially marking the humble approach of the worshipper who felt his need so keenly that he could not stand upright before God. While the usual position in prayer was that of standing (e.g., Je. 18:20; 1 Ki. 18:15; 17:1, etc), in times of special need or extremity the worshipper fell on his knees (so Ez. 9:5, 15). Likewise in the Gospels people stand to pray (Lk.18:11, 13) and Jesus assumes His disciples will stand (cf. Mt.6:5); but when there is an acute sense of need or urgent entreaty, the supplicant falls down before God. So Jesus in Gethsemane bows down in lowly submission and distress (Mt.26:9; Mk.14:35; Lk.22:41). The bowing of the knee here at Phil. 2:10, as Martin puts it, is 'a mark of extreme abasement and submission (as in Eph. iii.14) and denotes that the universal homage marks the subjection of those who kneel to the lordship of Christ'.47"

"...Is. 45:22-25...The Lord...swears solemnly by his own life that 'every knee will bow before me; by me every tongue will swear'...the words of v.23, which are reiterated in Phil. 2:10-11, express the notion of the universal and final homage to Yahweh.

"...By invoking Is.45:23 as its proof-text the author of the hymn and the...community in which the hymn originated live 'in confident expectation that this salvation will soon be universally visible'.55"

(The New International Greek Testament Commentary (NIGTC): The Epistle to the Phillipians, Peter T. Obrien, 1991, p.238, 240-243)

https://www.amazon.com/Epistle-Philippians-International-Testament-Commentary/dp/0802872131

"Peter T. O'Brien - The Epistle to the Philippians (New International Greek Testament Commentary)...The experts’ consensus is that O’Brien’s commentary is the best available."
http://m.blogs.christianpost.com/overflow/best-commentaries-on-philippians-17202/
 
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so are you saying you believe some scripture and not others? reconcile them, you cannot but for me it is to easy.
Then do it don't just talk about it. Ignoring the scriptures is not reconciling. Also saying something like "God is omnipotent love and His love does not end at the grave." Is not reconciling.
.....I gave my reasons why I reject both Strong's and Young. You have not provided any evidence why I should accept them over BDAG Your only reason appears to be that both seem to support your UR assumptions/presuppositions.
.....A review of BDAG by Bryn Mawr University.

As its title indicates, the lexicon covers the vocabulary of the "New Testament and other early Christian literature". By "other early Christian literature" is meant the apostolic fathers and "selected apocrypha". The apocrypha in question, listed on pp. xxxi-xxxiii, mainly include apocryphal acts and gospels, plus some Gnostic texts, many of them preserved on papyri. The vocabulary of these texts provides the basic material of the lexicon. The editor (p. x) claims completeness only in the sense that the lexicon quotes all occurrences of all words, except the most common ones, that appear in the main text of the 27th edition of Nestle-Aland's Novum Testamentum Graece of 1993. Danker, like his predecessors, strives to include all words in "other early Christian literature" as well, including textual variants offered by important text witnesses, but he has not reached that goal. It is nowhere stated how far from completeness the lexicon is in these respects, but a scholar working with these texts and not interested in their smallest minutiae may use the lexicon with confidence. It apparently records all words occurring somewhere in the early Christian literature, as defined by the editor, even if not all their occurrences outside NT are listed.
Comparative material is brought in from a great variety of sources: literary texts, papyri, inscriptions, from Homer down to Anna Comnena and Eustathius of Thessalonice; the list of abbreviations for such texts fills 18 pages. In each lemma it is indicated where the word--or one particular meaning of it--is attested for the first time in alphabetical Greek (in contrast to the Revised Supplement of Liddell-Scott-Jones, BDAG does not record attestations in Mycenaean Greek). If a word occurs in the Septuagint or intertestamental literature it is always indicated. The meanings of the words are, if possible, illustrated or explained with parallels from other Greek texts, in the first place from texts contemporary with the NT and the "early Christian" writers and from later Christian texts, but with no prejudices against pagans or, if appropriate, much later authors.
With this scope, BDAG becomes an indispensable tool for the NT scholar.
http://bmcr.brynmawr.edu/2001/2001-06-01.html
 
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This is me about 1 yr. old.
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. . . And that is why you are wrong DA, it is not because I say so, it is because of the witnesses above who testify that Jesus Christ IS the saviour of the world.
Now can you show us all why these testimonies of Jesus Christ are wrong and your belief in eternal torment is correct? .
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Please show me one [1] verse where God, Himself or Jesus, Himself unequivocally states that all mankind will be saved, no matter what. Since you have all those proof texts which you posted above that should be no problem at all.
 
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