Did John the Baptist sin?

[1stcenturylady]

In one of the apocryphal gospels, i forget which, Jesus said of the old testament prophets that even though they had the Spirit with them, "even a word of sin was found in them". As an "old testament prophet" I see no reason why that shouldn't apply to John also.

Not sure what "even a word of sin was found in them" means.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Perhaps because JTB was a prophet and had received revelations from God he is not deemed in as high of regard as a person who believes without seeing proof. I believe there is a scripture that says blessed is he who believes who has seen but even more blessed is he who believes without seeing. I’m sorry I can’t search for the actual verse right now. This is just a possibility I think.

That was when Thomas needed to see the risen Christ for himself before he would believe.

 

[HTacianas]

Not sure what "even a word of sin was found in them" means.

Minor sin. Sort of like "jot" and "tittle" describing the smallest points of the law.

Daniel the prophet spent weeks fasting and confessing his sins before he had his vision.

 

[1stcenturylady]

everybody but Jesus sinned

Can you answer the question of why? Where is it written. Does a Christian still sin willfully?

 

[Chinchilla]

Can you answer the question of why? Where is it written. Does a Christian still sin willfully?

Because God said so .
Romans 3:10
Romans 3:11

 

[1stcenturylady]

doubt is sin. We are told not to doubt.

God is not afraid of questions. John didn't know about His ministry yet. That is why Jesus' answer was the signs.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Minor sin. Sort of like "jot" and "tittle" describing the smallest points of the law.

Daniel the prophet spent weeks fasting and confessing his sins before he had his vision.

Even though a Spirit filled Christian walking in the light commits unknown sins that the blood of Jesus keeps cleansing, 1 John 1:7, we need to confess our weaknesses. Places we know are not mature, where we still struggle. For instance, anger is not a sin, but we still need to control it. That is one of the fruit of the Spirit that needs to grow.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Because God said so .
Romans 3:10
Romans 3:11

You do know don't you, that Romans 3 is still Paul's sermon on the law before Christ - not the Spirit after Christ. Are you still the same after Christ as you were before? I sure wasn't.

 

[Southernscotty]

God is not afraid of questions. John didn't know about His ministry yet. That is why Jesus' answer was the signs.

John saw the Holy Spirit land upon Jesus and He still "like us" wanted confirmation. He had doubt.

 

[Chinchilla]

You do know don't you, that Romans 3 is still Paul's sermon on the law before Christ - not the Spirit after Christ. Are you still the same after Christ as you were before? I sure wasn't.

Can you speak to mountaint to move it ?

 

[1stcenturylady]

John saw the Holy Spirit land upon Jesus and He still "like us" wanted confirmation. He had doubt.

What was new about Jesus receiving the Spirit? John, himself, had it. The question was, did that mean he was the Messiah, because John knew he, himself, wasn't. He lacked wisdom. For some reason, he had to know FOR SURE. What is sin is not believing your questions will be answered, not asking the question. James 1:5 If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him. 6 But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind. 7 For let not that man suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord; 8 he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways.

 

[Chinchilla]

What was new about Jesus receiving the Spirit? John, himself, had it. The question was, did that mean he was the Messiah, because John knew he, himself, wasn't. For some reason, he had to know FOR SURE. What is sin is not believing your questions will be answered, not asking the question. James 1:5 If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him. 6 But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind. 7 For let not that man suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord; 8 he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways.

Peter didn't have HS but still called Christ the Son of living God .

 

[Albion]

1 John 3:9 is not all mankind, because not everyone has accepted Christ. And John is only one out of everyone who has since received the Holy Spirit. The point is the SEED OF GOD. Jesus was conceived with it. John received it in the womb. And Christians receive it after repentance and conversion. The Seed of God is given during the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, and gives us power to not willfully sin. He was not given just for gifts, but to destroy the works of the devil, namely sin. 1 John 3:5-9

If it is not all mankind, then it is Jesus who is referred to. But it is not John the Baptist.

 

[Southernscotty]

Ok to start, John was told that to whom he saw the Spirit land, That would be the Messiah so He was watching.
The scripture you state is correct and a prime example of why John and us need a Saviour. We all fall short of perfection :]

 

[1stcenturylady]

Peter didn't have HS but still called Christ the Son of living God .

Yes, the next statement he made was of the devil. Peter didn't receive the Holy Spirit where He remained until John 20 when Jesus blew the Holy Spirit into him. Before that, Peter even denied Jesus.

 

[Ken Rank]

John the Baptist received the Holy Spirit in the womb, thus he was literally born again before he was even born. 1 John 3:9 says that those who have the seed (Holy Spirit) do not (willfully) sin, so did John the Baptist ever willfully sin?

Another question regarding John the Baptist. Jesus said that there was none greater than John the Baptist, but the least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than John. Seeing as John had the Holy Spirit, what was Jesus meaning?

All have sinned and fallen short save for one... not two. Just because one has the Spirit doesn't mean they are incapable of sinning. Every person alive who has the Spirit in them has NOT been made incorruptible yet, has NOT been perfected yet (both happen when messiah returns) and thus, by definition, are imperfect and corruptible. Children of God? Of course... but still capable of sinning until we are perfected. To think that John, not once... even if only in his heart... did not fall short, is adding to Scripture.

 

[1stcenturylady]

If it is not all mankind, then it is Jesus who is referred to. But it is not John the Baptist.

All mankind, and not those who believe, is Universalism. I don't believe in that.

 

[1stcenturylady]

All have sinned and fallen short save for one... not two. Just because one has the Spirit doesn't mean they are incapable of sinning. Every person alive who has the Spirit in them has NOT been made incorruptible yet, has NOT been perfected yet (both happen when messiah returns) and thus, by definition, are imperfect and corruptible. Children of God? Of course... but still capable of sinning until we are perfected. To think that John, not once... even if only in his heart... did not fall short, is adding to Scripture.

What you bring up here is what I've been pondering. I don't agree that just because our body of flesh has not put on incorruption yet, that it means our spirit and nature have not been already. 1 John 3:5 says, Jesus was manifested to take away our sin, and in Him there is no sin. Is that only future?

I'm also seeing that sin won't enter heaven. Romans 22:11 is not those in heaven, but those who have been separated between hell and heaven.

 

[CodyFaith]

Everybody willfully sins. Everbody.

 

[dreadnought]

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