THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY!

[Dan the deacon]

And yet just like all the other times these were all thrown at me, none of them are what I asked for, which was the point out verse in the New Testament which specifically commands Gentiles to observe the seventh day sabbath.

True.

 

[Heart2Soul]

I wonder how many threads there are in the archives of this topic....I see it come up at least once or twice a month and on different forums....I have read arguments from both sides and both sides seem quite capable of supplying logic and reasoning as to why it is or isn't this day or that. But WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY....lol.....specifically as it relates to Saturday or Sunday. That will be the only way to resolve this neverending debate over the Sabbath is to find it written plain for all to understand in the Bible. Have fun you guys....but someone please notify me when it is plainly written in scripture whether it is Saturday or Sunday!!!!!!!!

 

[LoveGodsWord]

As I suspected, it seems you can't answer the question. I already know what my answer is so I do not need help in answering the question for myself. I wanted to know *your* answer because you are claiming two mutually exclusive concepts.

Arr but your question was answered very clearly with scripture in the post with the question you refused to answer in post # 554 linked click me (Hebrews 10:26-27; Act 17:30-31; 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:3-10). You would not answer the question asked of you because the many scriptures provied with to help you answer the question disagrees with you.

"Salvation by grace through faith alone" doctrine was already defined by Protestant denominations before SDA decided to jump on board and claim it too, even though they also kept all the previous doctrine that conflicted with it. Now you're trying to change the definition.

Which version of it? It is a shame you feel the need to say things that have no truth in it. I will leave this between you and God.

Only God's WORD is true we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4) Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Sounds good to me but I would say that every day belongs to the Lord. The Sabbath is Saturday the word Sabbath mean Saturday. The 7th day folk do not understand why we celebrate Sunday. You told them but they refuse to hear.
Those ten commandments they cannot keep were a schoolmaster designed to.show us how we cannot keep them. And yet they continue trying....And failing.
I trust in Christ. He came because we could not keep God's law. Jesus condensed the 600+ laws to two. We can't even keep the two. That is why we need Him.

It is because some believe and follow God's WORD and not the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. Where in all of God's WORD does it say that God's 4th Commandments has been Abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

There is no scripture. Yet God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 that give us a knowledge of what sin is if broken (Romans 3:20; 7:7; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4) and none that CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will enter the KINGDOM of heaven (Hebrews 10:26-27).

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I wonder how many threads there are in the archives of this topic....I see it come up at least once or twice a month and on different forums....I have read arguments from both sides and both sides seem quite capable of supplying logic and reasoning as to why it is or isn't this day or that. But WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY....lol.....specifically as it relates to Saturday or Sunday. That will be the only way to resolve this neverending debate over the Sabbath is to find it written plain for all to understand in the Bible. Have fun you guys....but someone please notify me when it is plainly written in scripture whether it is Saturday or Sunday!!!!!!!!

Hi H2S, nice to meet you and welcome to the Law and Sabbath thread. I agree that this question can only be decided through God's WORD and God's guidence of his Spirit.

On this very topic where is it written in all of God's WORD that God's 4th Commandment has now been Abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

 

[Heart2Soul]

Hi H2S, nice to meet you and welcome to the Law and Sabbath thread. I agree that this question can only be decided through God's WORD and God's guidence of his Spirit.

On this very topic where is it written in all of God's WORD that God's 4th Commandment has now been Abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

God's Word trumps mans every time.....I grew up having been to many various denominations of churches because my parents moved a lot....so whatever church bus was in our area and picked me up that is the church I went to....Baptist, Episcopalian, Methodist, Assembly of God, Church of Christ and a couple of non-denominationals….every one of them had service on Sunday....I have never been in a place to question it so I didn't. It was simply when the doors opened for worship. I personally do not have a preference as to whether it is Saturday or Sunday....I only care that the teaching is the Truth of God's Word.....I guess the other denominations never teach about it. So I am very clueless or as the Bible says ignorant of it. I am confused and confusion is not of God....I do want to be obedient to His Word. I feel in my heart that we are to worship Him everyday.....I am grieved to think that all these Christians are going to be judged for worshipping Him on Sunday.....myself included....oh but wait....I haven't attended a service in a long time. I don't have transportation at this time. So that is a whole other issue....forsaking the fellowshipping together of the saints. But I do spend time with Him everyday and time in His Word......I just don't know what to think about this. How many Christians or denominations across the world have service on Saturday? This is very counterproductive to our salvation, for the only way to salvation is through Jesus....so now is the day of worship going to wipe out my salvation? I don't believe it does....but then again I didn't realize Sunday was not the day of worship until this past year.....I did know denominations existed that worshipped on Saturday but I never encountered that church.

 

[Dan the deacon]

It is because some believe and follow God's WORD and not the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. Where in all of God's WORD does it say that God's 4th Commandments has been Abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

There is no scripture. Yet God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 that give us a knowledge of what sin is if broken (Romans 3:20; 7:7; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4) and none that CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will enter the KINGDOM of heaven (Hebrews 10:26-27).

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

And yet adventist forbid the eating of pork yet The Lord told Peter it did not apply to gentiles. Seems the adventist desire that we should keep laws that God says we needent
I am also wondering how the SDA made it to be posting in a Christian only forum. They are anything but traditional Christians. Closer to the watchtower tract society.

 

[Dan the deacon]

God's Word trumps mans every time.....I grew up having been to many various denominations of churches because my parents moved a lot....so whatever church bus was in our area and picked me up that is the church I went to....Baptist, Episcopalian, Methodist, Assembly of God, Church of Christ and a couple of non-denominationals….every one of them had service on Sunday....I have never been in a place to question it so I didn't. It was simply when the doors opened for worship. I personally do not have a preference as to whether it is Saturday or Sunday....I only care that the teaching is the Truth of God's Word.....I guess the other denominations never teach about it. So I am very clueless or as the Bible says ignorant of it. I am confused and confusion is not of God....I do want to be obedient to His Word. I feel in my heart that we are to worship Him everyday.....I am grieved to think that all these Christians are going to be judged for worshipping Him on Sunday.....myself included....oh but wait....I haven't attended a service in a long time. I don't have transportation at this time. So that is a whole other issue....forsaking the fellowshipping together of the saints. But I do spend time with Him everyday and time in His Word......I just don't know what to think about this. How many Christians or denominations across the world have service on Saturday? This is very counterproductive to our salvation, for the only way to salvation is through Jesus....so now is the day of worship going to wipe out my salvation? I don't believe it does....but then again I didn't realize Sunday was not the day of worship until this past year.....I did know denominations existed that worshipped on Saturday but I never encountered that church.

So you realized wrong. Sunday is the Christian day of cooperative worship. Saturday is the day for Judism. Friday is the day for Muslims. So I guess the SDA has decided to be of Judism.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

And yet adventist forbid the eating of pork yet The Lord told Peter it did not apply to gentiles. Seems the adventist desire that we should keep laws that God says we needent
I am also wondering how the SDA made it to be posting in a Christian only forum. They are anything but traditional Christians. Closer to the watchtower tract society.

Not really, your post shows your lack of understanding of the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT scriptures. If you want to start another thread on the topic I would be happy to share God's WORD with you.

Keeping on topic with the OP here, do you have any scripture to share on the "Lord's Day"?

Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

So you realized wrong. Sunday is the Christian day of cooperative worship. Saturday is the day for Judism. Friday is the day for Muslims. So I guess the SDA has decided to be of Judism.

Well that has no truth in it. Where does it say in God's WORD that God's 4th Commandment is now Abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

All your promoting by saying the above is the teachings and traditions of the Roman Catholic Church which has lead many to break the commandments of God.

Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

God's Word trumps mans every time.....I grew up having been to many various denominations of churches because my parents moved a lot....so whatever church bus was in our area and picked me up that is the church I went to....Baptist, Episcopalian, Methodist, Assembly of God, Church of Christ and a couple of non-denominationals….every one of them had service on Sunday....I have never been in a place to question it so I didn't. It was simply when the doors opened for worship. I personally do not have a preference as to whether it is Saturday or Sunday....I only care that the teaching is the Truth of God's Word.....I guess the other denominations never teach about it. So I am very clueless or as the Bible says ignorant of it. I am confused and confusion is not of God....I do want to be obedient to His Word. I feel in my heart that we are to worship Him everyday.....I am grieved to think that all these Christians are going to be judged for worshipping Him on Sunday.....myself included....oh but wait....I haven't attended a service in a long time. I don't have transportation at this time. So that is a whole other issue....forsaking the fellowshipping together of the saints. But I do spend time with Him everyday and time in His Word......I just don't know what to think about this. How many Christians or denominations across the world have service on Saturday? This is very counterproductive to our salvation, for the only way to salvation is through Jesus....so now is the day of worship going to wipe out my salvation? I don't believe it does....but then again I didn't realize Sunday was not the day of worship until this past year.....I did know denominations existed that worshipped on Saturday but I never encountered that church.

Hi H2S, thanks for sharing your experience.

For me I BELIEVE God's people are in all the different Churches out there. As long as you are living up to all the KNOWLEDGE of the scriptures God has revealed to you then you are a part of God's Church.

I believe the time is coming and now is that God is pouring his Spirit on his people because he loves them and wishes all his people to have a closer walk with him. God's knows that many break his 4th Commandment Sabbath (Exodus 20:8-11) out of ignorance because of what they have been taught and handed down from the Roman Catholic Church through to many Protestant Churches today

But when God reveals to his Children wherever they may be a KNOWLEDGE of his truth through his WORD then he calls us to follow him. (ACTS 17:30-31).

God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 Commandments that give us a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is (Romans 3:20; 7:7; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4).

James says that tf we knowingly break any of God commandments we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement once we know God's WORD and turn away from it (Hebrews 10:26-27; Acts 17:30-31)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

There is only one way to find out God's truth and that to to seek him for it through his WORD. God promises to you that if you turn away from man and seek him for his truth that he will reveal it to you through his Spirit as you seek for it in His WORD. This is part of the NEW COVENANT promise to those who BELIEVE

* Please read these, God wants to be your teacher; Hebrews 8:11; John 14:26; 16:13; 7:17; 8:32-36

Turn away from man, prayerfully ask Jesus to be your guide and teacher asking him what his truth is, seeking for it through his Word believing his promises.

May God bless you as you seek him through his WORD. Thanks for sharing H2S. So nice to meet you.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Hi H2S, thanks for sharing your experience.

For me I BELIEVE God's people are in all the different Churches out there. As long as you are living up to all the KNOWLEDGE of the scriptures God has revealed to you then you are a part of God's Church.

I believe the time is coming and now is that God is pouring his Spirit on his people because he loves them and wishes all his people to have a closer walk with him. God's knows that many break his 4th Commandment Sabbath (Exodus 20:8-11) out of ignorance because of what they have been taught and handed down from the Roman Catholic Church through to many Protestant Churches today

But when God reveals to his Children wherever they may be a KNOWLEDGE of his truth through his WORD then he calls us to follow him. (ACTS 17:30-31).

God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 Commandments that give us a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is (Romans 3:20; 7:7; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4).

James says that tf we knowingly break any of God commandments we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement once we know God's WORD and turn away from it (Hebrews 10:26-27; Acts 17:30-31)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

There is only one way to find out God's truth and that to to seek him for it through his WORD. God promises to you that if you turn away from man and seek him for his truth that he will reveal it to you through his Spirit as you seek for it in His WORD. This is part of the NEW COVENANT promise to those who BELIEVE (Hebrews 8:11; John 14:26; 16:13; 7:17; 8:32-36)

Turn away from man, prayerfully ask Jesus to be your guide and teacher asking him what his truth is, seeking for it through his Word believing his promises.

May God bless you as you seek him through his WORD. Thanks for sharing H2S. So nice to meet you.

OH no....well thanks for making me knowledgeable.....now I have to be held accountable...lol. God Bless.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

OH no....well thanks for making me knowledgeable.....now I have to be held accountable...lol. God Bless.

Yea the funny thing is that for understanding God's WORD even the smartest people cannot understand it but those who come to Jesus asking him for his guidence, God gives wisdom no one can gainsay or resist. Only God can make us knowledgeable. All Glory to him who loves us and washed us in his own blood.

Nice to meet you brother H2S.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Yea funny God's WORD in that the smartest people cannot understand it but those who come to Jesus asking him for his guidence God gives wisdom no one can gainsay or resist. Only God can make us knowledgeable. All Glory to him who loves us and washed us in his own blood.

Nice to meet you brother H2S.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

Oh sorry my avatar is deceiving....yeah I am a girl....but I was the oldest of 6 brothers so I definitely had a tomboy type personality.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Oh sorry my avatar is deceiving....yeah I am a girl....but I was the oldest of 6 brothers so I definitely had a tomboy type personality.

Arr sorry sister H2S I forgot that girls can be christian soldiers too and assumed something I should not have. I like your AVA BTW it's like mine. Isn't it late your time?

 

[Dan the deacon]

Well that has no truth in it. Where does it say in God's WORD that God's 4th Commandment is now Abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

All your promiting is the teachings and traditions of the Roman Catholic Church which has lead many to break the commandments of God.

Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

First, it is clear you do not know what you are talking about. The Roman Catholic Church did not change the Sabbath. They still say Saturday is the Sabbath. What they and the Eastern Church did was proclaim Sunday as our day of cooperate worship. At that time those two groups were the whole of the Church. Your group did not exist then. This was done to show we were not of Judism and do to the practice already being held by Christians. You can find this in scripture if you seek it. The sabbath was never Changed. I'm quite sure Judism still worships on the Sabbath. This showed we were not of that fulfilled religion. I take it you do not understand the meaning of fulfilled. It means completed. If you desire to separate yourself from the Church and join up with those practicing Judism then that is your choice. I will worship.with Christians, the Church as the Church has worshipped for two thousand years. That would be on Sunday morning. It is an old decision of God's Church. And a decision we had and have the authority to make.
Saying the Roman Catholic Church did this on their own is a lie. They did it in agreement with the Eastern Orthodox Church as that Church was doing it already. It would be good to read some real Church history instead of spreading untruthes just bevause you dislike the Church of Rome. I don't ahree with that group either. We (the Eastern Orthodox Church) are not in communion with them since the turn of the first millinium. But it was not over Sunday worship. On that we and the more modern denomination agree. Sunday is the day set aside for cooperate worship. And Saturday is still the Sabbath. So if you are going to push for worship on a day God set aside for rest(not worship) have fun doing so.
Now can you find scripture saying the Sabbath is a day God set aside for worship? I bet you'll have a time finding that in scripture because God said it was a day of rest not a day for cooperate worship.
Why do so many adventist keep telling the lie that we have changed the Sabbath. We know the Sabbath is Saturday. We say the Lord's day is on Sunday, the first day of the week. At least it is for the Church

 

[LoveGodsWord]

First, it is clear you do not know what you are talking about. The Roman Catholic Church did not change the Sabbath. They still say Saturday is the Sabbath. What they and the Eastern Church did was proclaim Sunday as our day of cooperate worship. At that time those two groups were the whole of the Church. Your group did not exist then. This was done to show we were not of Judism and do to the practice already being held by Christians. You can find this in scripture if you seek it. The sabbath was never Changed. I'm quite sure Judism still worships on the Sabbath. This showed we were not of that fulfilled religion. I take it you do not understand the meaning of fulfilled. It means completed. If you desire to separate yourself from the Church and join up with those practicing Judism then that is your choice. I will worship.with Christians, the Church as the Church has worshipped for two thousand years. That would be on Sunday morning. It is an old decision of God's Church. And a decision we had and have the authority to make.
Saying the Roman Catholic Church did this on their own is a lie. They did it in agreement with the Eastern Orthodox Church as that Church was doing it already. It would be good to read some real Church history instead of spreading untruthes just bevause you dislike the Church of Rome. I don't ahree with that group either. We (the Eastern Orthodox Church) are not in communion with them since the turn of the first millinium. But it was not over Sunday worship. On that we and the more modern denomination agree. Sunday is the day set aside for cooperate worship. And Saturday is still the Sabbath. So if you are going to push for worship on a day God set aside for rest(not worship) have fun doing so.
Now can you find scripture saying the Sabbath is a day God set aside for worship? I bet you'll have a time finding that in scripture because God said it was a day of rest not a day for cooperate worship.
Why do so many adventist keep telling the lie that we have changed the Sabbath. We know the Sabbath is Saturday. We say the Lord's day is on Sunday, the first day of the week. At least it is for the Church

Depends whos version of history you believe. The Roman Catholic Church or someone unbiased. The term changing the Sabbath is just a play on words that no one is talking about as Sunday has never been a God's Sabbath.

The Roman Catholic Church adopted the pagan day of Sunworship from pagan Rome introduced by the Roman Emperor Constantine in AD 321 and made it official in the mother Church at the council of Laodecea in AD 363 in place of God's 4th Commandment Sabbath (Exodus 20:8-11).

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CANON XXIX.
CHRISTIANS must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ. (The Council of Laodecea in Phrygia Pacatiana 364 A.D.)

Yep sounds pretty official to me don't you think?

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Sunday Worship linked (wiki)

On 7 March 321, Constantine I, Rome's first Christian Emperor (see Constantine I and Christianity), decreed that Sunday would be observed as the Roman day of rest:[10]

On the venerable Day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country, however, persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits; because it often happens that another day is not so suitable for grain-sowing or vine-planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost.[11]

Despite the official adoption of Sunday as a day of rest by Constantine, the seven-day week and the nundial cycle continued to be used side-by-side until at least the Calendar of 354 and probably later.[12]

In 363-4, Canon 29 of the Council of Laodicea prohibited observance of the Jewish Sabbath (Saturday), and encouraged Christians to work on the Saturday and rest on the Lord's Day (Sunday).[13] The fact that the canon had to be issued at all is an indication that adoption of Constantine's decree of 321 was still not universal, not even among Christians. It also indicates that Jews were observing the Sabbath on the Saturday.

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Who has the right to change God's 4th Commandment of the 10 Commandments to a pagen day of Sun worship? Sunday is not the LORD'S day, it never has been. The Sabbath is the LORD'S day SCRIPTURE SUPPORT linked CLICK ME.

As a Protestant somthing to protest about in my view as God's 10 Commandments give us the knowledge of what sin is if broken (Romans 3:20; 7:7; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4). Sin will keep all those who KNOWINGLY practice it out of God's Kingdom (Hebrews 10:26-27).

There is not a single scripture that supports anything you have posted above. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.

Hope this helps.

 

[bekkilyn]

Arr but your answer was ansered very clearly with scripture in the post with the question you refused to answer in post # 554 linked click me (Hebrews 10:26-27; Act 17:30-31; 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:3-10). You would not answer the question asked of you because the many scriptures provied with to help you answer the question disagrees with you.

I asked for a "yes" or "no" and you're unable to provide it just as you were unable to provide a *specific* verse in the NT that commanded believers to observe a 7th day sabbath. Anytime you are asked a simple, direct question, you deflect because you either cannot directly support your claims or you do not want to provide the answer because you don't want to clearly state it.

As far as unrepentant sin goes, we are all chock full of unrepentant sin...all of us. Yes, we can regularly ask for our sins to be forgiven, but we often and regularly sin without even knowing it simply by participating in daily life in our culture. We sin just by driving to the grocery store due to the harm it does to the earth and the harm that has been done to people due to things such as unjust employment practices in 3rd world countries, destruction caused to many places due to greed for oil, and other related things that we almost never even think about when we hop in the car to go somewhere. That's just one small example and it's because we live in a world completely corrupted by sin and we are also full of it no matter what we do by our own efforts to cleanse ourselves. It's another reason why salvation by works and law can't help us.

So we had better hope that we can be saved even if we have unrepentant sin! (Fortunately, through Jesus' free gift of *grace* we *are* saved (and were saved, and are being saved) for any who choose to accept him and allow the Holy Spirit to take over and make us righteous because *he* is righteous. (Not because we are *ever* righteous on our own.)

By the not-good-news that you preach, not a single person would ever reach God's kingdom, in this present life or in the future because you will *never* get rid of sin and *never* be able to repent of all of it even if you were to spend a lifetime doing nothing but trying to repent. Sin covers you just by simply existing in this world even if you stand there and do nothing (which would also be sinful).

The Holy Spirit is our shield from sin, not observing a sabbath, not getting circumcised, not eating all the right foods, or anything else that we *do*. Any good things that we do are simply a *result* or consequence of the Holy Spirit's work within us. Otherwise, we are hopelessly and entirely corrupt.

 

[bekkilyn]

This is very counterproductive to our salvation, for the only way to salvation is through Jesus....so now is the day of worship going to wipe out my salvation?

The only way to salvation *is* through Jesus.

"For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord." - Romans 8:38-39

The teaching that you will lose your salvation based on which day you decide to go to church is FALSE teaching.

We should indeed be worshiping God EVERY day, not because we are threatened into it, but because we love him and want to be with him and put him first in our lives.

 

[Heart2Soul]

The only way to salvation *is* through Jesus.

"For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord." - Romans 8:38-39

The teaching that you will lose your salvation based on which day you decide to go to church is FALSE teaching.

We should indeed be worshiping God EVERY day, not because we are threatened into it, but because we love him and want to be with him and put him first in our lives.

That's exactly how I see it...thank you for the confirmation.