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Evolution's Brick Wall

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Not in the increments that are speculated about. There is just an assumption that they should exist.

I'm not sure what "increments that are speculated about" is supposed to mean.

Regardless, transitional fossils most certainly exist; specifically that there are fossils which are morphological intermediaries between multiple taxa.

Denying the existence of transitional fossils is denying the existence of those fossils. Which is just silly.
 
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I'm not sure what "increments that are speculated about" is supposed to mean.

Regardless, transitional fossils most certainly exist; specifically that there are fossils which are morphological intermediaries between multiple taxa.

Denying the existence of transitional fossils is denying the existence of those fossils. Which is just silly.
The fossils that we find represent mutations from one stage in evolution to the next as opposed to gradual changes each day or year or hundred years etc. there is no 1.5 in a “mutation” .
 
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And that's where evolution belongs: on the stage.
The Israelites vastly exaggerated psudo-biographical narratives belong in the fiction section of history. Meanwhile, the Baptist Church should start a 12 step program for young earth creation-ism to address the denial involved in bible worship.

What percentage of your millions of post are dedicated to the denial of reality? I don’t see you on the other threads?
 
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The Israelites vastly exaggerated psudo-biographical narratives belong in the fiction section of history.
Get the phone.

Madalyn O'hair is calling.
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Meanwhile, the Baptist Church should start a 12 step program for young earth creation-ism to address the denial involved in bible worship.
I don't believe in the concept of the "Baptist Church."

I'm an Independent Baptist.

We have "churches," not "the church."
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What percentage of your millions of post are dedicated to the denial of reality?
Zero.

In fact, I try to wake you academians up to what all reality entails.

And believe me, it's much larger than you think.

Even in your cult, doesn't reality include your revelators?
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I don’t see you on the other threads?
I wonder why, Mr .6 Posts Per Day?
 
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The fossils that we find represent mutations from one stage in evolution to the next as opposed to gradual changes each day or year or hundred years etc. there is no 1.5 in a “mutation” .
But 1 mutation might only mean a fractional change in protein production, which is barely detectable. Multiple such mutations produce something very different.
 
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Get the phone.

Madalyn O'hair is calling.

I don't believe in the concept of the "Baptist Church."

I'm an Independent Baptist.

We have "churches," not "the church."

Zero.

In fact, I try to wake you academians up to what all reality entails.

And believe me, it's much larger than you think.

Even in your cult, doesn't reality include your revelators?

I wonder why, Mr .6 Posts Per Day?
In my religion facts and reality are important. You desperately cling to the stories of the ignorant men from another age.

It’s you who behaves like someone in a cult.
 
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But 1 mutation might only mean a fractional change in protein production, which is barely detectable. Multiple such mutations produce something very different.
That’s not what we find in the fossil record. Humans are very sudden in the record as well as starts and stops of preveous life forms.
 
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Which is bigger? facts or reality?
"God is the first truth and the last fact; therefore does all truth take origin in him, while all facts exist relative to him."

Facts are associated with reality, total infinite reality is existential.

People can believe things that are not true.
 
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The fossils that we find represent mutations from one stage in evolution to the next as opposed to gradual changes each day or year or hundred years etc. there is no 1.5 in a “mutation” .

I'm not sure what you mean by "mutation" in the context of your post. Mutations are changes to DNA that occur during cell replication.

And fossils are representative of organisms that existed at a point in time.
 
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"God is the first truth and the last fact;"
Then why do academians start and stop only with what can be seen, felt, tasted, smelled, or heard?

Why do they enclose themselves in a Skinner box and assume everything they see is all there is to it?
 
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Then why do academians start and stop only with what can be seen, felt, tasted, smelled, or heard?

Why do they enclose themselves in a Skinner box and assume everything they see is all there is to it?
Not all of them do, you seem to select atheistic scientist and proceed as if that group represents all scientist.
 
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I'm not sure what you mean by "mutation" in the context of your post. Mutations are changes to DNA that occur during cell replication.

And fossils are representative of organisms that existed at a point in time.
I'm referring to the genetic mutations that lead to new orders of life. There are NO intermediate fossils to find because it was a mutation as opposed to the gradual accumulation of small variations.
 
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Not all of them do,
Theistic scientists are trained to think a different way than atheistic scientists.

But both are trained to think in spite of the Bible, not with respect to It.

Luke 23:12 And the same day Pilate and Herod were made friends together: for before they were at enmity between themselves.

There are exceptions ... such as my eye doctor, who is a YEC.

But the tares are fast outgrowing the wheat.
 
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There are NO intermediate fossils to find because it was a mutation as opposed to the gradual accumulation of small variations.

Sort of like we just appeared, out of the blue...
 
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Theistic scientists are trained to think a different way than atheistic scientists.

But both are trained to think in spite of the Bible, not with respect to It.

Luke 23:12 And the same day Pilate and Herod were made friends together: for before they were at enmity between themselves.

There are exceptions ... such as my eye doctor, who is a YEC.

But the tares are fast outgrowing the wheat.
True Scientist aren't lead by the Bible.


Bible worshipers are indoctrinated, "trained to think" and defend a belief some of which is speculation and conjecture. Some of the OT was deliberately fabricated to elevate the men who wrote it.
 
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True Scientist aren't lead by the Bible.
In the sense that Driver's Education is not led by the Bible, that's true.

But even drivers are taught to respect the documentation posted on the highway or in manuals, or he is subject to penalties.

A "true scientist" is a person called by God into the scientific arena to do His will.

We say of preachers that, unless they are called by God into the pulpit, they are hirelings.

Ditto for scientists.
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Bible worshipers are indoctrinated, "trained to think" and defend a belief some of which is speculation and conjecture.
And what do you call Bible followers?
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Some of the OT was deliberately fabricated to elevate the men who wrote it.
You're entitled to your opinion.

Just like I think Thalidomide was deliberately fabricated by scientists to get back at the world for what we did to them.
 
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True Scientist aren't lead by the Bible.

I love Jesus with all my heart. But, as a scientist, I completely agree with this statement. Thank you,

There are some crazy people on this forum, just be mindful.
 
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True Scientist aren't lead by the Bible.
You mean the people who have made Science an Idol. Who state the way to know reality is through following and acquiring truth only through Science.
 
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