Why are so many Christians against annihilation in hell when scripture supports it?

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Sorry, no, that's not truth.

For the most part, lies are published, and people still prefer them, they actually choose to believe the lies instead of the truth ,
partly because the lies are P O P U L A R ! (and published the most)....

IT is still as Jesus Said all the time, IF you seek the truth and stand up for the truth, you will be kicked out of the groups you have been in (even often your own family),
and because you seek and stand up for the truth,
you will be hated by all. (the world/ around us)
Don't worry, they hate you because they hate ME (JESUS).
This seems like irony to me, for one simple reason: The "popular" view is that the parable is not a parable, as is the belief that it is about torture in hellfire. In fact, some sites WILL kick you off the site for stating what I've stated. But worry not. You can state what you stated all you want on any "Christian" site and get lots of support.

But that is changing as people continue to educate themselves.

So yes, I'm bucking the popular view...so far...
 
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This seems like irony to me, for one simple reason: The "popular" view is that the parable is not a parable, as is the belief that it is about torture in hellfire. In fact, some sites WILL kick you off the site for stating what I've stated. But worry not. You can state what you stated all you want on any "Christian" site and get lots of support.

But that is changing as people continue to educate themselves.

So yes, I'm bucking the popular view...so far...
I don't know what your view is. The popular view is wrong, of course.
 
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I don't know what your view is. The popular view is wrong, of course.
Well, as of a few years ago, the popular view was that the parable of Lazarus and the rich man is not a parable, and is about hell. But that viewpoint is changing, rapidly.
 
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What do you mean "Abraham did according to Jesus" in regards to what I said.
You said no one understood the OT that they were all wrong. That’s not true. Abraham say the day of Jesus. So did Moses. So did Isaiah. Others too.
And when do you think we will know the "whole" truth? I dare say that the only man to ever walk the earth ever, while in this earthly body, knew the whole truth was Jesus himself.
Why does it have to be all the whole truth? Who promised that? Jesus said we could know the truth, that is what we think is true. Does to have to exhaustive truth.
So yes, we all know the truth, but the more you study, the more of the truth you "know". But be careful that you do not share what you "believe" as what you "know" regarding things you have not directly already experienced.
We study to show ourselves approved. We keep/do/obey his teaching to know truth.
Salvation is not dependent on what I know. It is dependent on what I believe. And even then the discussion regarding predestination can be sparked with that remark.
We weren’t discussing salvation but there no believing without knowledge.
 
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Clarifying needed, if possible.
Even the demons "believe", and shudder in terror for they know their judgment is near.
What is it that demons believe? You need to finish it. I believe a lot more about Jesus than they do, if you get my drift. ;)
 
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You said no one understood the OT that they were all wrong. That’s not true. Abraham say the day of Jesus. So did Moses. So did Isaiah. Others too.
What do you mean by "say the day of Jesus?" Could you point me to the scripture you are referring to?
 
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How is stating the scripture exactly as it is written a false interpretation?'
Right back at you m a'am. You accused me of false teaching when all I did was quote four passages of scripture. I did not add anything or take anything away but you have accused me several times of false teaching.
You cannot reconcile that scripture with the ones you used to say 1 Tim does not mean what it says. And you have yet, even though you have been asked a few times now, to explain what 1 Tim means if it does not mean what it says.
Yes I did reconcile it but you blew my response off with the usual "I'm right and you're wrong! Am too! Nuh huh!"
Now it is time for you to explain to me how

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
1 Corinthians 15:50
Galatians 5:19-21
Ephesians 5:5
Do not mean what they say. Which is the unrighteous, fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, effeminate, abusers of themselves with mankind, thieves, covetous, drunkards, revilers, extortioners, fornicators, unclean, lascivious, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, whoremongers, unclean person, covetous, corruption shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Show me where Paul or any scriptures specifically, unequivocally say that all 29 of these groups will inherit the kingdom of God.
No no no, you are the one who challenged 1 Tim's plain meaning with those other scriptures so it is YOUR job to reconcile them if you can. Quit trying to wimp out by putting the onus on me.Put up or admit you cannot reconcile them.
Once you admit that you cannot reconcile them I will show you how they are reconciled. But until you try to reconcile them everyone reading will know you are just wimping out.
I already have reconciled them. That you don't like my answer does not mean I did not make one. You are the one wimping out, because you don't like my response and can't refute it.
Note: pay special attention to who is without the gates of the city.
It is irrelevant who is outside the gate.
Revelation 22:14-17
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Who is it that is without the gates of the city?

Who is it that has right to the tree of life?
Already addressed. It is irrelevant who is outside the gate unless you can show me a verse or verses which state that those outside the gate obey His commandment and that Jesus has given the the right to to enter the city. Can you do that or not or is all you can do is keep repeating the same irrelevant questions over and over?
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Do these scriptures not show that those without the gates of the city, the dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie, have right to the tree of life? Do these scriptures not show that those without the gates may enter in through the gates into the city?
Of course they do, for who else is without the gates of the city but the dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
No these verse do NOT show that anyone outside the city may enter. Jesus gives them a choice if they want to.
16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. 17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
Can you read your own proof text? "Whosoever will let him take" Those outside denied God and Jesus in this life, where does it say they want to and will enter the city? It does not say that! It is the same invitation they had and refused in this life
AFTER the new heaven and earth has been established, AFTER the New Jerusalem has been set up, and AFTER all judgment has passed the doctrines of eternal torment and annihilation teach that the Spirit and the bride no longer say come, that those who hear cannot come, that those who thirst cannot come and take of the water of life freely.
Wrong as always. Those who teach what Jesus taught "the goats go away into eternal punishment" do not say any of this nonsense, "the Spirit and the bride no longer say come, that those who hear cannot come, that those who thirst cannot come and take of the water of life freely."
.....Do you think bearing false witness somehow makes you look correct? Read my explanation above. The dogs, sorcerers, whoremongers, murderers, idolaters and liars outside the city will still have the same choice they had in this life. Now you show me where they decide to believe in Jesus.

Huh? Do you not realize what a footstool is used for? It is used for rest. Jesus will not rest until everyone comes into the fold.
What total nonsense. These are defeated enemies on their knees and Jesus has His feet on them, probably on their necks, that is what conquering kings did to their enemies. But you claim they are only taking a break and resting. Defeated enemies don't rest!
 
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<EL>This seems like irony to me, for one simple reason: The "popular" view is that the parable is not a parable, as is the belief that it is about torture in hellfire. In fact, some sites WILL kick you off the site for stating what I've stated. But worry not. You can state what you stated all you want on any "Christian" site and get lots of support.
But that is changing as people continue to educate themselves.
So yes, I'm bucking the popular view...so far...<
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You wish it was changing. The Greek word parabole, from which parable is derived means to throw or lay beside. A parable compares something known or understood to something that is not known or understood.
.....The story of Lazarus and the rich man does not compare two things. It is not a parable. There are more than 200 figures of speech in the Bible, the story might fit one of them but it is not a parable. It is not introduced as a parable and Jesus never explains it to His disciples. A historic individual is mentioned by name. If Abraham was not in the place and did not say the things Jesus quoted, Jesus was lying.
.....All of the early church fathers who quote or refer to the story of Lazarus and the rich man considered it factual. If the ECF were wrong, I don't think they were, it must be proved not just stated.

• Irenaeus Against Heresies Book II Chapter XXXIV.-Souls Can Be Recognised in the Separate State, and are Immortal Although They Once Had a Beginning.
Ireneaeus, 120-202 AD, was a student of Polycarp, who was a student of John.
1. The Lord has taught with very great fulness, that souls not only continue to exist, not by passing from body to body, but that they preserve the same form [in their separate state] as the body had to which they were adapted, and that they remember the deeds which they did in this state of existence, and from which they have now ceased,-in that narrative which is recorded respecting the rich man and that Lazarus who found repose in the bosom of Abraham. In this account He states that Dives [=Latin for rich] knew Lazarus after death, and Abraham in like manner, and that each one of these persons continued in his own proper position , and that [Dives] requested Lazarus to be sent to relieve him-[Lazarus], on whom he did not [formerly] bestow even the crumbs [which fell] from his table.
ANF01. The Apostolic Fathers with Justin Martyr and Irenaeus | Christian Classics Ethereal Library
• Clement of Alexandria [A.D. 153-193-217] The Instructor [Paedagogus] Book 1
On the Resurrection.
This was the day. “And a certain poor man named Lazarus was laid at the rich man’s gate, full of sores, desiring to be filled with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table.” This is the grass. Well, the rich man was punished in Hades, being made partaker of the fire; while the other flourished again in the Father’s bosom.
• Tertullian A Treatise On The Soul [A.D. 145-220.]
In hell the soul of a certain man is in torment, punished in flames, suffering excruciating thirst, and imploring from the finger of a happier soul, for his tongue, the solace of a drop of water. Do you suppose that this end of the blessed poor man and the miserable rich man is only imaginary? Then why the name of Lazarus in this narrative, if the circumstance is not in (the category of) a real occurrence? But even if it is to be regarded as imaginary, it will still be a testimony to truth and reality . For unless the soul possessed corporeality, the image of a soul could not possibly contain a finger of a bodily substance; nor would the Scripture feign a statement about the limbs of a body, if these had no existence.
• Tertullian Part First
9. A Treatise On The Soul Chapter 57
Moreover, the fact that Hades is not in any case opened for (the escape of) any soul , has been firmly established by the Lord in the person of Abraham, in His representation of the poor man at rest and the rich man in torment.
• The Epistles Of Cyprian [A.D. 200-258] Epistle 54 To Cornelius, Concerning Fortunatus And Felicissimus, Or Against The Heretics
Whence also that rich sinner who implores help from Lazarus, then laid in Abraham’s bosom, and established in a place of comfort, while he, writhing in torments, is consumed by the heats of burning flame, suffers most punishment of all parts of his body in his mouth and his tongue, because doubtless in his mouth and his tongue he had most sinned.
• Methodius Fragments On The History Of Jonah [A.D. 260-312]
But souls, being rational bodies, are arranged by the Maker and Father of all things into members which are visible to reason, having received this impression. Whence, also, in Hades, as in the case of Lazarus and the rich man, they are spoken of as having a tongue, and a finger, and the other members; not as though they had with them another invisible body, but that the souls themselves, naturally, when entirely stripped of their covering, are such according to their essence.



 
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Well, as of a few years ago, the popular view was that the parable of Lazarus and the rich man is not a parable, and is about hell. But that viewpoint is changing, rapidly.
In who's mind? Yours? Why do we find this story as a parable? Can you find another spoken on this manner? Why do we suppose a parable to be a false story? Do you believe Jesus used untruths to teach? Be this story an actual event or an illustration, it it fully the truth. Or it was at the time.
 
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.....The story of Lazarus and the rich man


Even of the rich man in Hades (Lk.16:19-31) it is not stated how long his torments would last while there. Or denied that they could end while still there. Nor is it denied he could be saved while still in Hades. The rich man's Saviour is in Hades:

"If I ascend up into heaven, Thou art there; If I make my bed in the nether-world (Sheol = Hades), behold, Thou art there." (Psalm 139:8)

The rich man is called "son" (literally, "child") :

Lk.16:25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things

"Here, too, was one who, even in Hades, was recognised as being, now more truly than he had been in his life, a “child” or “son of Abraham.” (Comp. Luke 19:9.) The word used is the same, in its tone of pity and tenderness, as that which the father used to the elder son in the parable of the Prodigal Son (Luke 15:31), which our Lord addressed to the man sick of the palsy (Matthew 9:2), or to His own disciples (John 13:33)." Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers

The rich man in Hades is receiving the Word of Truth from Abraham. If not to lead those there to repentance & salvation, why would anyone in Hades be receiving such truths.

When it is implied that the rich man is where he is due to his lack of compassion for his fellow man, in particular Lazarus, he responds positively by turning his attention from himself to his brethren still alive & requests that they be warned about Hades. Is the rich man turning from his selfishness & showing concern for others?

The story speaks of a great gulf fixed stopping the transfer of persons from one place to the other place. It does not say this gulf will remain in place forever. Only that at that moment in time it was so. Possibly the chasm barrier refers to the unrepentant state of those in Hades, & that once they repent the barrier stopping any individual from leaving is removed. Nor does the passage deny the possibility of salvation to the rich man in Hades while he remains there.

" “And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.” "

" "So even if we made the mistake of trying to extract from the details of this parable a position on the issue of whether there will be further chances, there still wouldn’t be much cause for taking this passage as supporting the doctrine of no further chances with any force at all. For as long as the [one] who believes in further chances sensibly allows for the possibility that, while punishment is occurring, those suffering from it can’t just end it any time they want, she can make perfectly good sense of the words this parable puts into the mouth of Father Abraham. After all, if a road has been covered with deep enough snow drifts, we’ll tell someone who must drive on that stretch of road to get to where we are, “You cannot cross over from there to us.” We’ll say this quite properly and truthfully, even if we know full well that the road will be cleared in a few days, or that, in a great enough emergency, a helicopter could be used to get across to us even today, if, say, we’re at a hospital. [But doesn’t that show that there is a sense, then, in which they can cross over to us? Yes, there’s a perfectly good sense in which they can, and a perfectly good sense in which they cannot. For enlightening and accessible explanations of the meaning of “can” and related words, I recommend Angelica Kratzer’s “What ‘Must’ and ‘Can’ Must and Can Mean” (Linguistics and Philosophy 1 (1977): pp. 337-355) and example 6 (“Relative Modality”) of David Lewis’s “Scorekeeping in a Language Game” (Journal of Philosophical Logic 8 (1979): pp. 339-359.]"

The duration, nature, intensity & purpose of the torments the rich man was suffering are not revealed in this story. His torments there could have lasted less than 5 minutes.

In Rev.20:11-15 those in Hades get out of Hades, so Hades (Lk.16:19-31) is not a place of unending torments. Assuming the parable's story is even to be taken literally.


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We might also want to consider these passages in the same book of Luke's gospel:

Fear not, said the angel who announced it, for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. Luke 2:10.

Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men. Luke 2:14.

Luke 3:5 Every valley shall be filled,
and every mountain and hill shall be made low,
and the crooked shall be made straight,
and the rough ways made smooth;
Luke 3:6 and all flesh shall see the salvation of God.’”

Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. Luke 6:35

Luke 15:3 And he spake this parable unto them, saying, 4What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?
Luke 15:8 Either what woman having ten pieces of silver, if she lose one piece, doth not light a candle, and sweep the house, and seek diligently till she find it?

Lk17:4 Even if he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times returns to say, ‘I repent,’ you must forgive him.”
 
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Basically, you are telling us that failure to be saved now in this age, ultimately don't mean a thing.

No, i've never said that.

There is no such thing as being punished "eternally".

Correct.

Fair enough. So why bother to be saved to begin with?

Would you rather go to hell first? Or directly to heaven? Any sane person would choose the latter.

The most well know verse of scripture is John 3:16:

"Οὕτως γὰρ ἠγάπησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸν κόσμον, ὥστε τὸν υἱὸν τὸν μονογενῆ ἔδωκεν, ἵνα πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων εἰς αὐτὸν μὴ ἀπόληται ἀλλ' ἔχῃ ζωὴν αἰώνιον." -Jn. 3:16 (GNT)

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." -Jn. 3:16 (KJV)

Here, the same, identical Greek word is used that you scoff at in the above quote.

Wrong. Aidios is a different word than aionios.

John 3: KJV

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


Perish for how long & in what way? The same Greek word for "perish" is used of the prodigal son who was "lost" but later found.

More literal versions say:

16 For thus God loves the world, so that He gives His only-begotten Son, that everyone who is believing in Him should not be perishing, but may be having life eonian. (CLV)

16 for God did so love the world, that His Son—the only begotten—He gave, that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during. (YLT)

16 For God, so loved, the world, that, his Only Begotten Son, he gave,—that, whosoever believeth on him, might not perish, but have life age-abiding. (Ro)

16 Thus for loved the God the world, so that the son of himself the only-begotten he gave, that every one who believing into him, not may be destroyed, but may have life age-lasting. (Diaglott)

Not everyone will get EONIAN life, which pro Endless Hell club, anti universalist, versions mistranslate as "eternal life". Those who believe before they die get EONIAN life. They will live & reign with Christ for the 1000 years of the millennial EON (Rev.20). Unbelievers will not. They get saved later since God becomes "all in ALL" (1 Cor.15:22-28). For Jesus is the Lamb of God Who takes away the sin of the world (Jn.1:29), "the Saviour of the world" (John 4:42), Who will draw all to Himself (John 12:32).

John 3:16 says unbelievers "perish", not that they perish endlessly. If Jesus had wanted to say "perish endlessly" there was a Greek word for "endless" He could have used (aperantos, 1 Tim.1:4). He could have also used the words "no end" (Lk.1:33) of perishing. Clearly endless punishment is not the teaching of the Word of God.

"But there are those who find this an intolerable state of affairs, sometimes because of an earnest if misguided devotion to what they believe Scripture or tradition demands, sometimes because the idea of the eternal torment of the derelict appeals to some unpleasantly obvious emotional pathologies on their parts." https://www.firstthings.com/article/2015/10/saint-origen

http://www.tentmaker.org/tracts/Universalist.html
 
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I think something no one has addressed is that both men are in a place called Sheol. This is the place Christ went when He died. He went to bring out those who believed in Him. We do not know if He saved souls from both sides of that great gulf or just those on the side with Abraham.
 
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Funny, the very definition of annihilation is to wipe out completely. If I sooner or later slip into an existence of "non-existence" how would I know what I'm missing out on?

Irrelevant. If annihilation were true & the Bible teaches it & warns people about it, it would be foolish to choose endless annihilation after a million years of torments instead of being saved into endless bliss. As i said:

Only an utterly ignorant retarded brain dead insane fool would choose a million years of torments plus endless annihilation over endless bliss.


Your right, but do all men repent?

They will.

http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/unique_proof_for_universalism.html



Here again, if I choose to not repent, then by all reasons supplied in this thread, the doctrine of Annihilationism is real, sooner or later, my sin debt will be paid in full, and I will escape "eternal/everlasting/for ever and ever" punishment.

Let this sink into your brain:

If annihilation were true & the Bible teaches it & warns people about it, it would be foolish to choose endless annihilation after a million years of torments instead of being saved into endless bliss. As i said:

Only an utterly ignorant retarded brain dead insane fool would choose a million years of torments plus endless annihilation over endless bliss.

There is one fact that remains. Pain, no matter how bad, how hard, how extreme it is, if a person KNOWS that sooner or later there will be an end to it, they can endure it for however long it takes.

As a former EMT, I know this is true.

If I know that after 1 year, or 1,000,000 years, my sin debt, my punishment for sin, rejection of Jesus Christ as my Savior will end, then no matter how bad it will be, I can withstand it because it will end.

Irrelevant X 3.
 
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DA said:
No you have only made an unsupported claim, quoting a cherry picked, 100 year old, Thayer, that the bowing and confession is done in veneration, honor and praise. Here is the complete definition of kampto from BDAG one of, if not the, most highly accredited current Greek lexicons.
κάμπτω fut. κάμψω; 1 aor. ἔκαμψα; aor. pass. 3 pl. ἐκάμφθησαν Job 9:13, inf. καμφθῆναι 4 Macc 3:4. (Hom. et al.; pap, LXX, Philo).​
① trans. to bend or incline some part of the body, bend, bow freq. as gesture of respect or devotion: τὸν τράχηλον the neck (Aesop, Fab. 452 p. 501, 12f P. ἔκαμψα τὸν ἐμαυτοῦ τράχηλον) B 3:2 (Is 58:5). γόνυ (also pl.) bend the knee as a sign of (religious) devotion (LXX) τινί before someone (SibOr 3, 616f) τῇ Βάαλ Ro 11:4 (3 Km 19:18). Also πρός τινα Eph 3:14. Fig. κ. τὰ γόνατα τῆς καρδίας (s. γόνυ) 1 Cl 57:1.
② intr. (Polyaenus 3, 4, 3 ἔκαμψεν=
he bent inward) to assume a bending posture, bend (itself) ἐμοὶ κάμψει πᾶν γόνυ every knee shall bend before me Ro 14:11 (Is 45:23). ἐν τῷ ὀνόματι Ἰησοῦ when the name of Jesus is proclaimed Phil 2:10 (also infl. by Is 45:23).—B. 542. Renehan ’75, 115f. DELG. M-M. TW.[1]
[1] Arndt, W., Danker, F. W., Bauer, W., & Gingrich, F. W. (2000). A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian literature (3rd ed., p. 507). Chicago: University of Chicago Press.
Note under number ①, “bend, bow freq. as gesture of respect or devotion:” Frequently does not mean always.
P3 said:
Well I will let clement's fine post answer that, which you have conveniently ignored
You can throw Clement's second hand, copy/pasted post in the trash where it belongs. C's post are almost entirely copy/pasted from Tents-r-us or another of his pet UNI sites. I don't do second hand and I don't do copy/pasted posts. If you cannot express what you believe or in response to my posts then it is not worth my time to read.

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No one is saying they will inherit the kingdom in those states, get your facts straight, they will be washed anew just as we have been when we where in those states. Or did you forget that you were once in those states.
You said the unrighteous, fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, effeminate, abusers of themselves with mankind, thieves, covetous, drunkards, revilers, extortioners, fornicators, unclean, lascivious, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, whoremongers, unclean persons, covetous and corruption whom Paul said will not inherit the kingdom of God "will be washed anew." Please show me specifically where preferably Paul, or any other NT writer, said that those 29 groups of people will be 'washed anew?"
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Lame. Trump is still the president and Jesus is still the saviour of ALL MEN whether you accept it or not.
surly that is not how you try to reconcile 1 Tim with those other scriptures is it? Because I just undid it.
Jesus Christ is the saviour of ALL MEN, whether you accept it as gospel or not, and if not you are indeed teaching another gospel and rejecting what we are commanded to teach
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You have undid nothing. No matter what I post you you ignore it and repeat your one proof text and the same old "I'm right and you're wrong! Am too! Nuh huh!" argument.
.....Jesus is savior to all men who freely accept Him. Neither God nor Jesus will force anyone to accept Him no matter how many times you quote 1 Tim 4:10. I'm still waiting for you to back up your specious claim that you can reconcile 1 Cor 6:9-10, 1 Cor 15:50, Gal 5:19-21, Eph 5:5 with your proof text 1 Tim 4:10. All I have seen so far is more "I'm right and you're wrong! Am too! Nuh huh!"
 
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Universalist are not believers of what the Lord teaches. No one spends eternity in hell. They spend it in the lake of fire. The final judgement. And we don't need various odd translations to know such. All good translations teach us the truth. The word does not expressly tell us hpw long thos will last but it does teach us that the screams are eternal. That is enough for me to not desore such
 
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No one has it all right, and while I don't agree with them on everything, they get way more right, then they get wrong.
I don't know about that. I just thought I'd point that out. The particular article you posted is wrong.
 
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Universalist are not believers of what the Lord teaches. No one spends eternity in hell. They spend it in the lake of fire. The final judgement. And we don't need various odd translations to know such. All good translations teach us the truth. The word does not expressly tell us hpw long thos will last but it does teach us that the screams are eternal. That is enough for me to not desore such

Well there you go!
 
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