LDS What happens to ex-Mormon men?

[He is the way]

Those ex-mormon men who held the priesthood and then leave the Mormon church also leave the oath and covenant of the Mormon priesthood.

They don't need to.
What is the oath and covenant of the priesthood?
We receive the holy priesthood by an “oath and covenant.” This means that Heavenly Father gives us His oath that we can have the power and blessing of the priesthood if we covenant with Him to magnify our callings, be faithful in keeping the commandments, and live by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.

 

[Rescued One]

They don't need to.
What is the oath and covenant of the priesthood?
We receive the holy priesthood by an “oath and covenant.” This means that Heavenly Father gives us His oath that we can have the power and blessing of the priesthood if we covenant with Him to magnify our callings, be faithful in keeping the commandments, and live by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.

They don't need to what?

 

[Jane_Doe]

Apparently they both believe those who leave are not saved. A belief for which you, being a Catholic, criticized them.

To clarify LDS beliefs here: LDS in no way believe a person who stops going to church for whatever reason is going to burn for forever.

 

[Phil 1:21]

To clarify LDS beliefs here: LDS in no way believe a person who stops going to church for whatever reason is going to burn for forever.

Thank you.

 

[Jane_Doe]

Thank you.

You're welcome
I'm happy to clarify actual LDS beliefs versus a lot of the misinformation out there.

I likewise like hearing what other people believe, and hence strive to visit their churches and talk to those folks face-to-face whenever I can

 

[Rescued One]

The scripture you quoted is not about leaving the church, it is about breaking a covenant and altogether turning away from it.

Leaving Mormonism is leaving/breaking false covenants invented or borrowed from non-biblical sources. Yes, I turn away from Mormonism!

 

[Rescued One]

Thank you.

No, they will spend time in a temporary hell brought on by their disobedience. But afterwards they definitely will not have eternal life in the presence of the Father.

I'm happy to fill in the blanks left by those who fight against the truth that I share.

 

[He is the way]

They don't need to what?

They don't need to leave the oath and the covenant.

 

[He is the way]

Leaving Mormonism is leaving/breaking false covenants invented or borrowed from non-biblical sources. Yes, I turn away from Mormonism!

What is non-Biblical about keeping the commandments and following God?

 

[He is the way]

No, they will spend time in a temporary hell brought on by their disobedience. But afterwards they definitely will not have eternal life in the presence of the Father.

I'm happy to fill in the blanks left by those who fight against the truth that I share.

Who made you the judge?

 

[Rescued One]

Who made you the judge?

Providing information that someone left out is not judging anyone!

 

[Rescued One]

What is non-Biblical about keeping the commandments and following God?

Christians at least know what Christ's commandments are because we our knowledge doesn't come from Joseph Smith or Brigham Young.

Mormonism:
Although the Prophet Joseph Smith’s mortal ministry was relatively brief—little more than fifteen years—his accomplishments and influence are eternal. Not only did he restore both the gospel and the church of Jesus Christ, as directed by the Lord, he also introduced, through the revelations he received and through his teachings, most of the major doctrines, practices, and ordinances that characterize The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Few things are more crucial to the “restitution of all things” (Acts 3:21) than the doctrines Joseph Smith taught. He spoke definitively and clearly on each of them, though his knowledge grew progressively. At times it came in leaps and bounds, as when he and Sidney Rigdon saw the Lord and the degrees of glory (see D&C 76); at other times, it came “line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little and there a little” (2 Ne. 28:30).
https://www.lds.org/ensign/1989/01/...the-godhead-mankind-and-the-creation?lang=eng

 

[He is the way]

Providing information that someone left out is not judging anyone!

You actually do not know what the outcome will be because you can't see the big picture like Jesus can. He knows us better than anyone else does and He will determine what will happen, not us.

 

[He is the way]

Christians at least know what Christ's commandments are because we our knowledge doesn't come from Joseph Smith or Brigham Young.

Mormonism:
Although the Prophet Joseph Smith’s mortal ministry was relatively brief—little more than fifteen years—his accomplishments and influence are eternal. Not only did he restore both the gospel and the church of Jesus Christ, as directed by the Lord, he also introduced, through the revelations he received and through his teachings, most of the major doctrines, practices, and ordinances that characterize The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Few things are more crucial to the “restitution of all things” (Acts 3:21) than the doctrines Joseph Smith taught. He spoke definitively and clearly on each of them, though his knowledge grew progressively. At times it came in leaps and bounds, as when he and Sidney Rigdon saw the Lord and the degrees of glory (see D&C 76); at other times, it came “line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little and there a little” (2 Ne. 28:30).
https://www.lds.org/ensign/1989/01/...the-godhead-mankind-and-the-creation?lang=eng

All of the commandments are about love. Those who don't know love don't know God because God is love. No God no love. Know God know love.

 

[Rescued One]

You actually do not know what the outcome will be because you can't see the big picture like Jesus can. He knows us better than anyone else does and He will determine what will happen, not us.

I'm not talking about showing a big picture! I'm talking about FACTS of Mormonism. You ought to know by now that I believe God is sovereign, not humans.

 

[He is the way]

I'm not talking about showing a big picture! I'm talking about FACTS of Mormonism. You ought to know by now that I believe God is sovereign, not humans.

Lets go through this again. You said: "No, they will spend time in a temporary hell brought on by their disobedience. But afterwards they definitely will not have eternal life in the presence of the Father."

You are making a guess as to what will happen and How Jesus will make a judgement. You don't know how Jesus will decide whether a person will or will not end up in a temporary Hell or whether they will of will not have eternal life, and that is the facts.

 

[Rescued One]

All of the commandments are about love. Those who don't know love don't know God because God is love. No God no love. Know God know love.

Why are you so unaware that I study my Bible? You are blinded by Mormonism. Throw out your Old Testament and John Chapter Three if you think all commandments and judgments have always been about love. Christians love others and Christians know God.

1 Samuel 15
3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

Deuteronomy 20
10 When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it. 11 And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee. 12 And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it: 13 And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: 14 But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee. 15 Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations. 16 But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth: 17 But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee: 18 That they teach you not to do after all their abominations, which they have done unto their gods; so should ye sin against the LORD your God.

John 3
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him


James 1
19 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:

James 3
2 For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.

 

[He is the way]

Why are you so unaware that I study my Bible? You are blinded by Mormonism. Throw out your Old Testament and John Chapter Three if you think all commandments and judgments have always been about love. Christians love others and Christians know God.

1 Samuel 15
3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

Deuteronomy 20
10 When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it. 11 And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee. 12 And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it: 13 And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: 14 But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee. 15 Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations. 16 But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth: 17 But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee: 18 That they teach you not to do after all their abominations, which they have done unto their gods; so should ye sin against the LORD your God.

John 3
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him


James 1
19 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:

James 3
2 For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.

Yes God is love and everything He does is about love. I know why He does what He does because I see the big picture. Why did God command Saul to smite and destroy the Amalekites and all that they have? It is because God sees the big picture and knows what will happen to the children of man if the Amalekites are not destroyed. So out of the love for future generations God had them destroyed. It was the same thing with the flood. It is better that many die than wickedness abound and the children of man be taught wickedness and end up in Hell. ALL of the commandments are about love as stated in the Bible:
(New Testament | Matthew 22:37 - 40)

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

(New Testament | 1 John 4:8)

8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

(New Testament | John 15:9 - 10)

9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

(New Testament | 1 John 2:4)

4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

God is LOVE and you can not know God (LOVE) unless you keep the commandments of LOVE.

 

[Rescued One]

Lets go through this again. You said: "No, they will spend time in a temporary hell brought on by their disobedience. But afterwards they definitely will not have eternal life in the presence of the Father."

You are making a guess as to what will happen and How Jesus will make a judgement. You don't know how Jesus will decide whether a person will or will not end up in a temporary Hell or whether they will of will not have eternal life, and that is the facts.

If Mormon scriptures and leaders don't teach facts, you might be right. However:

"Latter-day revelation speaks of hell in at least two senses. First, it is the temporary abode in the spirit world for those who were disobedient in mortality. In this sense, hell has an end. The spirits there will be taught the gospel, and sometime following their repentance they will be resurrected to a degree of glory of which they are worthy. Those who will not repent, but are nevertheless not sons of perdition, will remain in hell throughout the Millennium. After these thousand years of torment, they will be resurrected to a telestial glory (D&C 76:81–86; 88:100–101)."
https://www.lds.org/scriptures/gs/hell

• The will of the flesh giveth the spirit of the devil power to bring us down to hell, 2 Ne. 2:29.
  https://www.lds.org/scriptures/gs/hell

Book of Mormon, Alma 34
32 For behold, this life is the time for men to prepare to meet God; yea, behold the day of this life is the day for men to perform their labors.

33 And now, as I said unto you before, as ye have had so many witnesses, therefore, I beseech of you that ye do not procrastinate the day of your repentance until the end; for after this day of life, which is given us to prepare for eternity, behold, if we do not improve our time while in this life, then cometh the night of darkness wherein there can be no labor performed.

33 And now, as I said unto you before, as ye have had so many witnesses, therefore, I beseech of you that ye do not procrastinate the day of your repentance until the end; for after this day of life, which is given us to prepare for eternity, behold, if we do not improve our time while in this life, then cometh the night of darkness wherein there can be no labor performed.

34 Ye cannot say, when ye are brought to that awful crisis, that I will repent, that I will return to my God. Nay, ye cannot say this; for that same spirit which doth possess your bodies at the time that ye go out of this life, that same spirit will have power to possess your body in that eternal world.

35 For behold, if ye have procrastinated the day of your repentance even until death, behold, ye have become subjected to the spirit of the devil, and he doth seal you his; therefore, the Spirit of the Lord hath withdrawn from you, and hath no place in you, and the devil hath all power over you; and this is the final state of the wicked.
https://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/alma/34.32

 

[Rescued One]

Yes God is love and everything He does is about love. I know why He does what He does because I see the big picture. Why did God command Saul to smite and destroy the Amalekites and all that they have? It is because God sees the big picture and knows what will happen to the children of man if the Amalekites are not destroyed. So out of the love for future generations God had them destroyed. It was the same thing with the flood. It is better that many die than wickedness abound and the children of man be taught wickedness and end up in Hell. ALL of the commandments are about love as stated in the Bible:
(New Testament | Matthew 22:37 - 40)

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

(New Testament | 1 John 4:8)

8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

(New Testament | John 15:9 - 10)

9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

(New Testament | 1 John 2:4)

4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

God is LOVE and you can not know God (LOVE) unless you keep the commandments of LOVE.

Christians love God and others. They also know Him.

John 10
15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.