Is it accurate that God's chosen is now replaced by the Christian church?

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There is a new doctrine, namely called the Replacement theology which purports that the Chosen Israelites are replaced by the Christian church. This means that we do not have to support the Israeli community because of their failure to acknowledge Christ as the son of God, the Messiah who died on the cross and who will reign again.
Scripture however throughout the old and new testaments commands us to pray for Israel, the chosen people and chosen nation.
This doctrine I believe will cause a great chasm and schism in the body as it has already began. This is why it is crucial that we seek the Word diligently and pray for understanding and revelation. No where, and if someone can--please share, where in the Word does it state that God's chosen is or was replaced. Even looking at the last book in Revelations 7 it speaks again about the Sealed of Israel so my questions is this, what man has the power to unseal that which is already sealed by the Father?
 

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There is a new doctrine, namely called the Replacement theology which purports that the Chosen Israelites are replaced by the Christian church. This means that we do not have to support the Israeli community because of their failure to acknowledge Christ as the son of God, the Messiah who died on the cross and who will reign again.
Scripture however throughout the old and new testaments commands us to pray for Israel, the chosen people and chosen nation.
This doctrine I believe will cause a great chasm and schism in the body as it has already began. This is why it is crucial that we seek the Word diligently and pray for understanding and revelation. No where, and if someone can--please share, where in the Word does it state that God's chosen is or was replaced. Even looking at the last book in Revelations 7 it speaks again about the Sealed of Israel so my questions is this, what man has the power to unseal that which is already sealed by the Father?
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There is a new doctrine, namely called the Replacement theology which purports that the Chosen Israelites are replaced by the Christian church. This means that we do not have to support the Israeli community because of their failure to acknowledge Christ as the son of God, the Messiah who died on the cross and who will reign again.
Scripture however throughout the old and new testaments commands us to pray for Israel, the chosen people and chosen nation.
This doctrine I believe will cause a great chasm and schism in the body as it has already began. This is why it is crucial that we seek the Word diligently and pray for understanding and revelation. No where, and if someone can--please share, where in the Word does it state that God's chosen is or was replaced. Even looking at the last book in Revelations 7 it speaks again about the Sealed of Israel so my questions is this, what man has the power to unseal that which is already sealed by the Father?
I’ve never heard of that. I was always taught that the Israelites are God’s chosen and I was a gentile who was given the opportunity to become part of God’s people. Nowadays there are a lot of crazy new doctrines. I know some things in the Bible are hard to understand, but God is very clear about the Israelites.
 
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There is a new doctrine, namely called the Replacement theology which purports that the Chosen Israelites are replaced by the Christian church. This means that we do not have to support the Israeli community because of their failure to acknowledge Christ as the son of God, the Messiah who died on the cross and who will reign again.
Scripture however throughout the old and new testaments commands us to pray for Israel, the chosen people and chosen nation.
This doctrine I believe will cause a great chasm and schism in the body as it has already began. This is why it is crucial that we seek the Word diligently and pray for understanding and revelation. No where, and if someone can--please share, where in the Word does it state that God's chosen is or was replaced. Even looking at the last book in Revelations 7 it speaks again about the Sealed of Israel so my questions is this, what man has the power to unseal that which is already sealed by the Father?

The chosen people are the ones who share the faith of Abraham. A physical descendant of Abraham who rejects Jesus Christ does not worship the God of Abraham and cannot be considered one of God's people. God's people worship God.
 
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There is a new doctrine, namely called the Replacement theology which purports that the Chosen Israelites are replaced by the Christian church. This means that we do not have to support the Israeli community because of their failure to acknowledge Christ as the son of God, the Messiah who died on the cross and who will reign again.
Scripture however throughout the old and new testaments commands us to pray for Israel, the chosen people and chosen nation.

The idea that the Church and Israel share identity isn't a new doctrine, and the term "Replacement Theology" is a pejorative term for the traditional Christian (and biblical) teaching on this subject. The historic teaching of Christianity isn't that the Church has replaced Israel as the People of God; the historic teaching of Christianity is that the Church is Israel, Israel is the Church--they are the same People of God. St. Paul teaches in his letters that in Christ Gentiles are wild olive branches which have been grafted onto the tree, which symbolizes Israel, just as this tree has also natural olive branches (Jews). Because Paul consistently teaches that both Jew and Gentile are made a united, whole, single People in Jesus Christ.

What is a new doctrine is Dispensationalism, which teaches that God has separate plans for Jews and Gentiles, one for Israel and one for the Church; and that Christians should support the modern state of Israel because it is fulfillment of biblical prophecy. The problem, of course, is that this entire doctrine is not only new (it didn't exist before the 19th century), it is both unbiblical and anti-biblical. The modern state of Israel is not biblical Israel, it is not fulfillment of biblical prophecy (the prophecies concerning the return of the Jewish people refer, consistently, to their return from Exile in Babylon). That isn't to say that non-believing Jews are entirely outside of God's purposes, or that non-believing Jews aren't Israel at all; as Paul looks forward to a time when all of Israel will be saved--but what that ultimately looks like isn't told to us. But this same Paul is clear that there are wild branches grafted onto the tree, and their are natural branches which were pruned off the tree.

Because in the New Testament the central identity of Israel is reified in the Person of Jesus, the Messiah. It is Jesus who redefines Himself as the Temple, "Tear down this temple and in three days I shall raise it up", which the Apostles Paul and Peter in their letters also come to apply to the Church as well, as the Church is the Body of Christ. Jesus and His Church are the Temple, we are God's Temple by our union with Christ, because Christ is the Temple of God. The things of old point, ultimately, to Jesus. Paul speaks of the "Jerusalem above" as our mother, he speaks circumcision, sabbaths, new moons, and all the things of the old Covenant God made through Moses as shadows of which Christ is the substance. St. Peter says that we are the stones which make up God's house. And so on and so forth. That is biblical teaching on these things.

We aren't looking for an earthly nation. We aren't looking for a temple made of stone. We aren't looking to sacrifices of bulls, lambs, and goats. There is already a kingdom, the kingdom of God which has come in the Person of Jesus, "The kingdom does not come with observation, no one says 'Look there it is' or "Here, it's over there', the kingdom is in your midst."; there is already a Temple, the Risen Lord Jesus and His holy Church--His Mystical Body, "Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God's people and also members of His household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus Himself as the chief cornerstone. In Him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. And in Him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by His Spirit."; there is already the "Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world". There is no need for a kohen gadol in the western Levant, for we have already the "great high priest" "of the order of Melchizedek."

Christians absolutely should seek to be a people who love the Jewish people, they are our spiritual cousins from Abraham our common father in the faith. We should also love all people of every kind. As Christians we absolutely should stand against the evil and injustice of antisemitism, and seek to correct our historic sins against the Jewish people. But none of this means a blind allegiance to a secular state in the Levant; as Christians our allegiance isn't to any earthly nation or state, our allegiance is to Jesus Christ, and in Christ we are called to be servants of all people, and to be a people of peace in whatever nation we live in and a people of peace toward all people of all nations. As the Apostle Paul has said, "Live peaceably with all, inasmuch as it is up to you."

What is unacceptable, however, is a doctrine which, fundamentally, denies what is found in Scripture, and in many cases is at its core denying the central importance of Jesus Christ, His life, death, and resurrection and all the things of God which are in His Gospel for all people, Jew and Gentile alike without favoritism or prejudice.

This doctrine I believe will cause a great chasm and schism in the body as it has already began. This is why it is crucial that we seek the Word diligently and pray for understanding and revelation. No where, and if someone can--please share, where in the Word does it state that God's chosen is or was replaced. Even looking at the last book in Revelations 7 it speaks again about the Sealed of Israel so my questions is this, what man has the power to unseal that which is already sealed by the Father?

The people of God are sealed in Christ by the promises we have in Him by the power of the Spirit through the Gospel; for all who have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ, and we have been sealed with the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 1:13). The Apocalypse of St. John includes two groups, one lists the twelve tribes and the other the nations; symbolically this 144,000 represents the entirety of God's People; the Church. The Apocalypse pits two seals/marks against one another, there are those who are marked and sealed as God's, because they belong to Christ and there are those who are marked and sealed as belonging to the Beast. The most common understanding of the text is that the Beast represents ancient Roman imperial power broadly and/or the Emperor Nero more specifically; for ancient Christians suffering under Rome there was a very real issue going on, one could either say Caesar was lord, or one could say Christ was Lord. But you couldn't say both, you either belonged to Caesar or you belonged to Christ. I know that this likely is going to be shocking to a lot of people who have only grown up hearing a Dispensationalist and/or Futurist interpretation of the Apocalypse, but this isn't some new idea or new interpretation. The simple fact is that the Dispensationalist and Futurist views have never been the orthodox, mainstream position in Christianity. Dispensationalism, again, didn't even exist until the early 1800's, it was invented by John Darby, an Irish preacher and one of the founders of the Plymouth Brethren. No one before Darby ever heard any of the ideas taught by Darby, and it took a long time for his ideas to start making any traction, but by the early-mid 20th century there were a lot of people who followed Darby's doctrines, and they became even more popular only in the late 20th century with the existence of very lucrative business of selling books, music, and movies that taught the doctrine. It's never been mainstream Christian teaching, it still isn't mainstream Christian teaching, and for most Christians it remains not only a deeply flawed theological system, it is also dangerously heterodox.

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There is a new doctrine, namely called the Replacement theology which purports that the Chosen Israelites are replaced by the Christian church. This means that we do not have to support the Israeli community because of their failure to acknowledge Christ as the son of God, the Messiah who died on the cross and who will reign again.
Scripture however throughout the old and new testaments commands us to pray for Israel, the chosen people and chosen nation.
This doctrine I believe will cause a great chasm and schism in the body as it has already began. This is why it is crucial that we seek the Word diligently and pray for understanding and revelation. No where, and if someone can--please share, where in the Word does it state that God's chosen is or was replaced. Even looking at the last book in Revelations 7 it speaks again about the Sealed of Israel so my questions is this, what man has the power to unseal that which is already sealed by the Father?
I think there's two different chosing. Israel as a nation was chosen to portray the sinfulness of man and the vanity of trying to be justified by law in light of inherent human sinfulness, along with being chosen to carry down the Word of God up till the Messiah.

Christians are chosen as objects of God's grace, destined to be conformed to the image of Christ.

Israel's chosing doesn't have to do with the obtaining of eternal life, while Christian's being chosen does. So it's not "replacement", but rather two different senses of "chosen".
 
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This is not a new apostasy as it can be traced as far back as the 3rd century.

"Replacement theology teaches that “the Church is Israel” How is this belief able to receive acceptance? Easily, if the scriptures are studied according to the method of interpretation known as allegorization.

What do I mean by allegorization? A person who “allegorizes” a passage of scripture is less concerned with what the words mean literally, than he is concerned with what is the hidden meaning behind those words. To allegorize is to interpret a scripture analyzing every detail as symbolic of underlying, deeper “spiritual” meanings."
 
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"Replacement theology teaches that “the Church is Israel” How is this belief able to receive acceptance? Easily, if the scriptures are studied according to the method of interpretation known as allegorization.

There's nothing allegorical about it. I would suggest reading Romans 9, but this line is probably the crux of it:

6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, 7 and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” 8 This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring.

If we take it literally, then the Church is Israel.
 
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There's nothing allegorical about it. I would suggest reading Romans 9, but this line is probably the crux of it:



If we take it literally, then the Church is Israel.

The accusation of "allegorization" is a meaningless one, the sole purpose is to say, "I just believe what the Bible says because my interpretation is true because it's mine." Those who make the accusation:

1) Also interpret parts of the Bible non-literally, because nobody takes the Bible completely literally because taking the Bible completely literally results in complete absurdities such as thinking that Jesus literally has a sword in His mouth or that God is literally a rock. Everyone recognizes that the biblical writers utilized different forms of language to communicate ideas, sometimes they are being literal, sometimes they are being figurative, sometimes they are being symbolic. Nobody takes the Bible 100% literally or 100% allegorically; everyone who tries to take the Bible seriously knows the Bible uses different sorts of language. We simply are taking different parts of it literally or non-literally depending on how we understand the intent of the biblical writers.

2) Are simply engaging in a tactic of dismissal, there's no need to address ideas and arguments if you can simply dismiss them away by implying that your opponent simply doesn't take the Bible seriously (and that is precisely what the accusation is attempting to do), after all if someone isn't taking the Bible seriously then whatever they have to say about what Scripture is saying is entirely meaningless to begin with. It is therefore a kind of ad hominem, attacking the person rather than the argument.

The argument is an empty calorie argument intended to distract and attack without having to do any heavy lifting of making a meaningful argument.

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This is not a new apostasy as it can be traced as far back as the 3rd century.

Two errors in one sentence.

1) It's not apostasy, it's basic orthodox Christian teaching.

2) The idea that the Church and Israel share identity on account of Christ is significantly older than the 3rd century.

Also, what in the 3rd century happened, or was said, that leads you to make this conclusion? I'm looking for a reference, a quote, you know something rather than mere hearsay.

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I'll just leave these things here:

"There will be no other God, O Trypho, nor was there from eternity any other existing, but He who made and disposed all this universe. Nor do we think that there is one God for us, another for you, but that He alone is God who led your fathers out from Egypt with a strong hand and a high arm. Nor have we trusted in any other (for there is no other), but in Him in whom you also have trusted, the God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob. But we do not trust through Moses or through the law; for then we would do the same as yourselves. But now —(for I have read that there shall be a final law, and a covenant, the chiefest of all, which it is now incumbent on all men to observe, as many as are seeking after the inheritance of God. For the law promulgated on Horeb is now old, and belongs to yourselves alone; but this is for all universally. Now, law placed against law has abrogated that which is before it, and a covenant which comes after in like manner has put an end to the previous one; and an eternal and final law — namely, Christ — has been given to us, and the covenant is trustworthy, after which there shall be no law, no commandment, no ordinance. Have you not read this which Isaiah says: 'Hearken unto Me, hearken unto Me, my people; and, you kings, give ear unto Me: for a law shall go forth from Me, and My judgment shall be for a light to the nations. My righteousness approaches swiftly, and My salvation shall go forth, and nations shall trust in My arm?' And by Jeremiah, concerning this same new covenant, He thus speaks: 'Behold, the days come, says the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah; not according to the covenant which I made with their fathers, in the day that I took them by the hand, to bring them out of the land of Egypt' Jeremiah 31:31-32). If, therefore, God proclaimed a new covenant which was to be instituted, and this for a light of the nations, we see and are persuaded that men approach God, leaving their idols and other unrighteousness, through the name of Him who was crucified, Jesus Christ, and abide by their confession even unto death, and maintain piety. Moreover, by the works and by the attendant miracles, it is possible for all to understand that He is the new law, and the new covenant, and the expectation of those who out of every people wait for the good things of God. For the true spiritual Israel, and descendants of Judah, Jacob, Isaac, and Abraham (who in uncircumcision was approved of and blessed by God on account of his faith, and called the father of many nations), are we who have been led to God through this crucified Christ, as shall be demonstrated while we proceed." - St. Justin, Dialogue with Trypho, Ch. 11; c. 150 AD

"Now I have shown a short time ago that the church is the seed of Abraham; and for this reason, that we may know that He who in the New Testament 'raises up from the stones children unto Abraham,' is He who will gather, according to the Old Testament, those that shall be saved from all the nations, Jeremiah says: 'Behold, the days come, says the Lord, that they shall no more say, The Lord lives, who led the children of Israel from the north, and from every region whither they had been driven; He will restore them to their own land which He gave to their fathers.'" - St. Irenaeus, Against Heresies, Book V, 34:1

That's two sources from the 2nd century. We can arguably go back further, looking at the Epistle of Barnabas (c. 70-130 AD), though I'm reluctant to use Barnabas, as I consider some of the content pretty harsh and, at times, quite wrong (the author of the text in trying to make his argument insists that physical circumcision was always wrong, going so far as to attribute it to demonic influence perverting the original intention given to Abraham and Moses), but for those interested, the entire text can be found here, the whole thing tends to read like the Epistle to the Hebrews on steroids.

But, all things considered, this should be sufficient to demonstrate the idea that the Church is Israel on account of Christ is hardly some idea that showed up in the 3rd century. And I would argue, purely on the basis of Scripture, that it goes right back to the New Testament--it is right there in the Gospels, the Pauline epistles, and Hebrews. The idea of the Church and Israel having a shared identity is right there at the very foundation of Christian teaching, it is precisely what Jesus and the Apostles taught. Not that the Church replaces Israel, but that the Church is Israel. Jesus gives new meaning to the word "Israel" because everything that came before Him pointed to Him. That is explicitly and expressly biblical, apostolic teaching.

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Abraham was promised to be the father of many nations. That includes Israel but also includes all of the other nations. Not every person in all the nations, but those who love God and keep his commands.
The children of God are mixed in with the wicked throughout the world.
Think of the image of the wheat and tares.
 
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I’ve never heard of that. I was always taught that the Israelites are God’s chosen and I was a gentile who was given the opportunity to become part of God’s people. Nowadays there are a lot of crazy new doctrines. I know some things in the Bible are hard to understand, but God is very clear about the Israelites.

I had asked the same as the OP in a thread a couple of weeks ago as a lady in church said as much to me and I had never heard about what I have learned is " replacement theology". Sadly it seems that it is not as uncommon as I thought it would be.
I don't understand where they get that idea from.
 
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There is a new doctrine, namely called the Replacement theology which purports that the Chosen Israelites are replaced by the Christian church. This means that we do not have to support the Israeli community because of their failure to acknowledge Christ as the son of God, the Messiah who died on the cross and who will reign again.
Scripture however throughout the old and new testaments commands us to pray for Israel, the chosen people and chosen nation.
This doctrine I believe will cause a great chasm and schism in the body as it has already began. This is why it is crucial that we seek the Word diligently and pray for understanding and revelation. No where, and if someone can--please share, where in the Word does it state that God's chosen is or was replaced. Even looking at the last book in Revelations 7 it speaks again about the Sealed of Israel so my questions is this, what man has the power to unseal that which is already sealed by the Father?
There's many, many things that cause schisms in the body. I wouldn't pay any attention to these ideas or the various labels they acquire. Let's keep our eyes fixed on Jesus.

Keep in mind that the Jewish people are special because God chose them, not because the Jews chose God, and this continues today whether an individual Jew believes in him or not. (One might even argue that most of Scripture is given specifically for sinning Jews [cf. 1 Timothy 1:9].)

However, nothing along these lines determines an individual's salvic condition. That does not depend on whether one is a Jew or not.
 
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In ancient Judaism there was internal debate as to why Israel was chosen. Was Israel chosen because every other nation was wicked and would have rejected God's law- implying that Jews were inherently better people, that they earned and deserved to be the chosen people? That became one common viewpoint among many Jews, even after the emergence of Christianity as a distinct religion. But the Christian view of Israel's chosen status is incompatible with this notion.

Israel was part of God's mission to the world. Whether it still is part of God's mission is something the Bible really gives no affirmative answer except the hope that the Jewish people as a whole would eventually accept the Gospel. The Christian tradition tends to be incredulous or doubtful that Israel has any mission outside of Christ, and it's not something a Christian can do anything but speculate about, frequently to the detriment of the Gospel.
 
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There is a new doctrine, namely called the Replacement theology which purports that the Chosen Israelites are replaced by the Christian church. This means that we do not have to support the Israeli community because of their failure to acknowledge Christ as the son of God, the Messiah who died on the cross and who will reign again.
Scripture however throughout the old and new testaments commands us to pray for Israel, the chosen people and chosen nation.
This doctrine I believe will cause a great chasm and schism in the body as it has already began. This is why it is crucial that we seek the Word diligently and pray for understanding and revelation. No where, and if someone can--please share, where in the Word does it state that God's chosen is or was replaced. Even looking at the last book in Revelations 7 it speaks again about the Sealed of Israel so my questions is this, what man has the power to unseal that which is already sealed by the Father?

I'll keep this short. My view......as unacceptable as it is in today's roaming excuse for a "Zeitgeist".... is the same as Jesus and Paul's: that the people of Old Israel only remain 'True Israel' if they listen to Jesus who is the Prophet like Moses that God said He'd raise up! This is the bitter pill that is so very hard for the world to swallow these days---that those Jewish people who consciously refuse God and flat-out reject Jesus as the Messiah to come are essentially branches that are "cut off" from among the other True branches of True Israel. This is what Jesus implies and exactly what Paul teaches.

So, no! The Church doesn't replace the Israel of Old. Rather, it fulfills it, and those who deny Jesus as the Christ are "cut off" from it.

Do I say all of this with some kind of apathetic glee? No, of course not! I say it with tears!!!

....fortunately, though, this isn't all that Jesus and Paul had to say about the sad state of spiritual affairs that presently exists for all those persons, whether they be Jew or Gentile, who have yet to rectify their conscious denial of Jesus Christ by accepting Him as Lord and Savior of the world.
 
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There is a new doctrine, namely called the Replacement theology which purports that the Chosen Israelites are replaced by the Christian church. This means that we do not have to support the Israeli community because of their failure to acknowledge Christ as the son of God, the Messiah who died on the cross and who will reign again.
Scripture however throughout the old and new testaments commands us to pray for Israel, the chosen people and chosen nation.
This doctrine I believe will cause a great chasm and schism in the body as it has already began. This is why it is crucial that we seek the Word diligently and pray for understanding and revelation. No where, and if someone can--please share, where in the Word does it state that God's chosen is or was replaced. Even looking at the last book in Revelations 7 it speaks again about the Sealed of Israel so my questions is this, what man has the power to unseal that which is already sealed by the Father?
Romans 11 King James Version (KJV)
11 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.

4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.


Romans 11:11
“I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.”

Romans 11:25 King James Version (KJV)
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Basically No , when you become Christian you are no longer Jew or Gentile . The remament of Jews which accepter Christ are no longer Jews but majority of Jews and Gentiles are not saved . Early church members were all Jews including Jesus himself , meaning they were born of Jewish woman but they are also born of God and have God as thier father and no earthly ethnicity .

Jews are set apart God's people .
The rest people on earth are gentiles .
Christians are not of this world
John 17:16-26 King James Version (KJV)
16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
 
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There is a new doctrine, namely called the Replacement theology which purports that the Chosen Israelites are replaced by the Christian church. This means that we do not have to support the Israeli community because of their failure to acknowledge Christ as the son of God, the Messiah who died on the cross and who will reign again.
Scripture however throughout the old and new testaments commands us to pray for Israel, the chosen people and chosen nation.
This doctrine I believe will cause a great chasm and schism in the body as it has already began. This is why it is crucial that we seek the Word diligently and pray for understanding and revelation. No where, and if someone can--please share, where in the Word does it state that God's chosen is or was replaced. Even looking at the last book in Revelations 7 it speaks again about the Sealed of Israel so my questions is this, what man has the power to unseal that which is already sealed by the Father?

Why was Israel chosen? Also, do you consider yourself to be under the New Covenant.
 
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