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Is not where Jesus is now seated at the Right Hand of Power in fact Paradise? Why does Paradise have to wait for the New Jerusalem to come out of Heaven to Earth after the GWT judgement?Based on all of this, I interpret Luke 23:43 to mean the following. BTW, where the comma is in the KJV, I don't see it changing anything much by changing it's location. Even with it where it is, that doesn't have to mean Jesus was only meaning the moment the thief died, that at that very second he would be in paradise with Him. It could simply mean, today, this very day, your faith has assured you that you shall be with Me in paradise. IOW Luke 23:43 was a prophecy about dwelling with Jesus forever where Jesus would be dwelling forever, that being in the new Jerusalem, the paradise of God.
So IOW maybe like such----
And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day because of your faith shalt thou be with me in paradise, the new Jerusalem, when it comes down from God out of heaven.
Just something to consider. Unless of course one believes the "inner man" or soul cannot be separated from a rotting mortal corpse; which would mean Jesus did not really mean "Today" as in that day because that would be impossible. Is it your view that indeed this is impossible?
You did a good job matching exact Greek words for Paradise, but we must also consider how words are used in context. A lot is packed in context for example...
From Vine's:
Paradise
[ 1,,G3857, paradeisos ]
is an Oriental word, first used by the historian Xenophon, denoting the parks of Perisian kings and nobles." It is of Persian origin (Old Pers. pairidaeza, akin to Gk. peri, "around," and teichos, "a wall") whence it passed into Greek. See the Sept., e.g., in Nehemiah 2:8; Ecclesiastes 2:5; Song of Songs 4:13. The Sept. translators used it of the garden of Eden, Genesis 2:8, and in other respects, e.g., Numbers 24:6; Isaiah 1:30; Jeremiah 29:5; Ezekiel 31:8-Ezekiel 31:9.
In Luke 23:43, the promise of the Lord to the repentant robber was fulfilled the same day; Christ, at His death, having committed His spirit to the Father, went in spirit immediately into Heaven itself, the dwelling place of God (the Lord's mention of the place as "paradise" must have been a great comfort to the malefactor; to the oriental mind it expressed the sum total of blessedness). Thither the Apostle Paul was caught up, 2 Corinthians 12:4, spoken of as "the third heaven" (2 Corinthians 12:3 does not introduce a different vision), beyond the heavens of the natural creation (See Hebrews 4:14, RV, with reference to the Ascension). The same region is mentioned in Revelation 2:7, where the "tree of life," the figurative antitype of that in Eden, held out to the overcomer, is spoken of as being in "the Paradise of God" (RV), marg., "garden," as in Genesis 2:8.
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Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 3857: παράδεισος
παράδεισος, παραδείσου, ὁ (thought by most to be of Persian orion, by others of Armenian, cf. Gesenius, Thesaurus, ii., p. 1124; (B. D., under the word; especially Fried. Delitzsch, We lag das Paradies? Leipzig 1881, pp. 95-97; cf. Max Müller, Selected Essays, i., 129f)),
1. among the Persians a grand enclosure or preserve, hunting-ground, park, shady and well-watered, in which wild animals were kept for the hunt; it was enclosed by walls and furnished with towers for the hunters: Xenophon, Cyril 1, 3, 14; (1, 4, 5); 8, 1, 38; oec. 4, 13 and 14; anab. 1, 2, 7, 9; Theophrastus, h. pl. 5, 8, 1; Diodorus 16, 41; 14, 80; Pint. Artax. 25, cf. Curt; 8, 1, 11.
2. universally, a garden, pleasure-ground; grove, park: Lucian, v. h. 2, 23; Aelian v. h. 1, 33; Josephus, Antiquities 7, 14, 4; 8, 7, 3; 9, 10, 4; 10, 3, 2 and 11, 1; b. j. 6, 1, 1; (c. Apion. 1, 19, 9 (where cf. Müller)); Susanna 4, 7, 15, etc.; Sir. 24:30; and so it passed into the Hebrew language, פַּרְדֵּס, Nehemiah 2:8; Ecclesiastes 2:5; Song of Solomon 4:13; besides in the Sept. mostly for גַּן; thus, for that delightful region, 'the garden of Eden,' in which our first parents dwelt before the fall: Genesis 2:8ff; 3:1ff.
3. that part of Hades which was thought by the later Jews to be the abode of the souls of the pious until the resurrection: Luke 23:43, cf. 16:23f. But some (e. g. Dillmann (as below, p. 379)) understand that passage of the heavenly paradise.
4. an upper region in the heavens: 2 Corinthians 12:4 (where some maintain, others deny, that the term is equivalent to ὁ τρίτος οὐρανός in 2 Corinthians 12:2); with the addition of τοῦ Θεοῦ, genitive of possessor, the abode of God and heavenly beings, to which true Christians will be taken after death, Revelation 2:7 (cf. Genesis 13:10; Ezekiel 28:13; Ezekiel 31:8). According to the opinion of many of the church Fathers, the paradise in which our first parents dwelt before the fall still exists, neither on earth nor in the heavens, but above and beyond the world; cf. Thilo, Cod. apocr. Nov. Test., on Evang. Nicod. c. xxv., p. 748ff; and Bleek thinks that the word ought to be taken in this sense in Revelation 2:7. Cf. Dillmann under the word Paradies in Schenkel iv. 377ff; also Hilgenfeld, Die Clement. Recogn. und Hom., p. 87f; Klöpper on 2 Corinthians 12:2-4, p. 507ff ((Göttingen, 1869). See also B. D., under the word; McClintock and Strong's Cyclopaedia, under the word; Hamburger, Real-Encyclopädie, Abtheil. ii, under the word.)
[ 1,,G3857, paradeisos ]
is an Oriental word, first used by the historian Xenophon, denoting the parks of Perisian kings and nobles." It is of Persian origin (Old Pers. pairidaeza, akin to Gk. peri, "around," and teichos, "a wall") whence it passed into Greek. See the Sept., e.g., in Nehemiah 2:8; Ecclesiastes 2:5; Song of Songs 4:13. The Sept. translators used it of the garden of Eden, Genesis 2:8, and in other respects, e.g., Numbers 24:6; Isaiah 1:30; Jeremiah 29:5; Ezekiel 31:8-Ezekiel 31:9.
In Luke 23:43, the promise of the Lord to the repentant robber was fulfilled the same day; Christ, at His death, having committed His spirit to the Father, went in spirit immediately into Heaven itself, the dwelling place of God (the Lord's mention of the place as "paradise" must have been a great comfort to the malefactor; to the oriental mind it expressed the sum total of blessedness). Thither the Apostle Paul was caught up, 2 Corinthians 12:4, spoken of as "the third heaven" (2 Corinthians 12:3 does not introduce a different vision), beyond the heavens of the natural creation (See Hebrews 4:14, RV, with reference to the Ascension). The same region is mentioned in Revelation 2:7, where the "tree of life," the figurative antitype of that in Eden, held out to the overcomer, is spoken of as being in "the Paradise of God" (RV), marg., "garden," as in Genesis 2:8.
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Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 3857: παράδεισος
παράδεισος, παραδείσου, ὁ (thought by most to be of Persian orion, by others of Armenian, cf. Gesenius, Thesaurus, ii., p. 1124; (B. D., under the word; especially Fried. Delitzsch, We lag das Paradies? Leipzig 1881, pp. 95-97; cf. Max Müller, Selected Essays, i., 129f)),
1. among the Persians a grand enclosure or preserve, hunting-ground, park, shady and well-watered, in which wild animals were kept for the hunt; it was enclosed by walls and furnished with towers for the hunters: Xenophon, Cyril 1, 3, 14; (1, 4, 5); 8, 1, 38; oec. 4, 13 and 14; anab. 1, 2, 7, 9; Theophrastus, h. pl. 5, 8, 1; Diodorus 16, 41; 14, 80; Pint. Artax. 25, cf. Curt; 8, 1, 11.
2. universally, a garden, pleasure-ground; grove, park: Lucian, v. h. 2, 23; Aelian v. h. 1, 33; Josephus, Antiquities 7, 14, 4; 8, 7, 3; 9, 10, 4; 10, 3, 2 and 11, 1; b. j. 6, 1, 1; (c. Apion. 1, 19, 9 (where cf. Müller)); Susanna 4, 7, 15, etc.; Sir. 24:30; and so it passed into the Hebrew language, פַּרְדֵּס, Nehemiah 2:8; Ecclesiastes 2:5; Song of Solomon 4:13; besides in the Sept. mostly for גַּן; thus, for that delightful region, 'the garden of Eden,' in which our first parents dwelt before the fall: Genesis 2:8ff; 3:1ff.
3. that part of Hades which was thought by the later Jews to be the abode of the souls of the pious until the resurrection: Luke 23:43, cf. 16:23f. But some (e. g. Dillmann (as below, p. 379)) understand that passage of the heavenly paradise.
4. an upper region in the heavens: 2 Corinthians 12:4 (where some maintain, others deny, that the term is equivalent to ὁ τρίτος οὐρανός in 2 Corinthians 12:2); with the addition of τοῦ Θεοῦ, genitive of possessor, the abode of God and heavenly beings, to which true Christians will be taken after death, Revelation 2:7 (cf. Genesis 13:10; Ezekiel 28:13; Ezekiel 31:8). According to the opinion of many of the church Fathers, the paradise in which our first parents dwelt before the fall still exists, neither on earth nor in the heavens, but above and beyond the world; cf. Thilo, Cod. apocr. Nov. Test., on Evang. Nicod. c. xxv., p. 748ff; and Bleek thinks that the word ought to be taken in this sense in Revelation 2:7. Cf. Dillmann under the word Paradies in Schenkel iv. 377ff; also Hilgenfeld, Die Clement. Recogn. und Hom., p. 87f; Klöpper on 2 Corinthians 12:2-4, p. 507ff ((Göttingen, 1869). See also B. D., under the word; McClintock and Strong's Cyclopaedia, under the word; Hamburger, Real-Encyclopädie, Abtheil. ii, under the word.)
Vine's:
Heaven, Heavenly (-ies)
[ 1,,G3772, ouranos ]
probably akin to ornumi, to lift, to heave," is used in the NT
(a) of "the aerial heavens," e.g., Matthew 6:26; Matthew 8:20; Acts 10:12; Acts 11:6 (RV, "heaven," in each place, AV, "air"); James 5:18;
(b) "the sidereal," e.g., Matthew 24:29, Matthew 24:35; Mark 13:25, Mark 13:31; Hebrews 11:12, RV, "heaven," AV, "sky;" Revelation 6:14; Revelation 20:11; they,
(a) and
(b), were created by the Son of God, Hebrews 1:10, as also by God the Father, Revelation 10:6;
(c) "the eternal dwelling place of God," Matthew 5:16; Matthew 12:50; Revelation 3:12; Revelation 11:13; Revelation 16:11; Revelation 20:9. From thence the Son of God descended to become incarnate, John 3:13, John 3:31; John 6:38, John 6:42. In His ascension Christ "passed through the heavens," Hebrews 4:14, RV; He "ascended far above all the heavens," Ephesians 4:10, and was "made higher than the heavens," Hebrews 7:26; He "sat down on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens," Hebrews 8:1; He is "on the right hand of God," having gone into heaven, 1 Peter 3:22. Since His ascension it is the scene of His present life and activity, e.g., Romans 8:34;. Hebrews 9:24. From the thence the Holy Spirit descended at Pentecost, 1 Peter 1:12. It is the abode of the angels, e.g., Matthew 18:10; Matthew 22:30; cp. Revelation 3:5. Thither Paul was "caught up," whether in the body or out of the body, he knew not, 2 Corinthians 12:2. It is to be the eternal dwelling place of the saints in resurrection glory, 2 Corinthians 5:1. From thence Christ will descend to the air to receive His saints at the Rapture, 1 Thessalonians 4:16; Philippians 3:20-Philippians 3:21, and will subsequently come with His saints and with His holy angels at His second advent, Matthew 24:30; 2 Thessalonians 1:7. In the present life "heavens," is the region of the spirtual citizenship of believers, Philippians 3:20. The present "heavens" with the earth, are to pass away, 2 Peter 3:10, "being on fire," 2 Peter 3:12 (See 2 Peter 3:7); Revelation 20:11, and new "heavens" and earth are to be created, 2 Peter 3:13; Revelation 21:1, with Isaiah 65:17, e.g.
In Luke 15:18, Luke 15:21, "heaven" is used, by metonymy, for God. See AIR.
Notes:
(1) For the phrase in Luke 11:13, See Note on B, No. 2.
(2) In Luke 11:2, the AV, "as in heaven," translates a phrase found in some mss.
[ 2,,G3321, mesouranema ]
denotes "mid-heaven," or the midst of the heavens (mesos, "middle," and No. 1), Revelation 8:13; Revelation 14:6; Revelation 19:17.
[ A-1,Adjective,G3770, ouranios ]
signifying "of heaven, heavenly," corresponding to A, No. 1, is used
(a) as an appellation of God the Father, Matthew 6:14, Matthew 6:26, Matthew 6:32, "your heavenly Father;" Matthew 15:13, "My heavenly Father;"
(b) as descriptive of the holy angels, Luke 2:13;
(c) of the vision seen by Paul, Acts 26:19.
[ A-2,Adjective,G2032, epouranios ]
"heavenly," what pertains to, or is in, heaven (epi, in the sense of "pertaining to," not here, "above"), has meanings corresponding to some of the meanings of ouranos, A, No. 1. It is used
(a) of God the Father, Matthew 18:35;
(b) of the place where Christ "sitteth at the right hand of God" (i.e., in a position of Divine authority), Ephesians 1:20; and of the present position of believers in relationship to Christ, Ephesians 2:6; where they possess "every spiritual blessing," Ephesians 1:3;
(c) of Christ as "the Second Man," and all those who are related to Him spirtually, 1 Corinthians 15:48;
(d) of those whose sphere of activity or existence is above, or in contrast to that of earth, of "principalities and powers," Ephesians 3:10; of "spiritual hosts of wickedness," Ephesians 6:12, RV, "in heavenly places," for AV, "in high places;"
(e) of the Holy Spirit, Hebrews 6:4;
(f) of "heavenly things," as the subjects of the teaching of Christ, John 3:12, and as consisting of the spiritual and "heavenly" sanctuary and "true tabernacle" and all that appertains thereto in relation to Christ and His sacrifice as antitypical of the earthly tabernacle and sacrifices under the Law, Hebrews 8:5; Hebrews 9:23;
(g) of the "calling" of believers, Hebrews 3:1;
(h) of heaven as the abode of the saints, "a better country" than that of earth, Hebrews 11:16, and of the spiritual Jerusalem, Hebrews 12:22;
(i) of the kingdom of Christ in its future manifestation, 2 Timothy 4:18;
(j) of all beings and things, animate and inanimate, that are "above the earth," Philippians 2:10;
(k) of the resurrection and glorified bodies of believers, 1 Corinthians 15:49;
(l) of the "heavenly orbs," 1 Corinthians 15:40 ("celestial," twice, and so rendered here only).
Note: In connection with
(a), the word "heavenly," used of God the Father in Luke 11:13, represents the phrase ex ouranou, "from heaven."
[ B-1,Adverb,G3771, ouranothen ]
formed from A, No. 1, and denoting "from heaven," is used of
(a) the aerial heaven, Acts 14:17;
(b) heaven, as the uncreated sphere of God's abode, Acts 26:13.
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Heaven, Heavenly (-ies)
[ 1,,G3772, ouranos ]
probably akin to ornumi, to lift, to heave," is used in the NT
(a) of "the aerial heavens," e.g., Matthew 6:26; Matthew 8:20; Acts 10:12; Acts 11:6 (RV, "heaven," in each place, AV, "air"); James 5:18;
(b) "the sidereal," e.g., Matthew 24:29, Matthew 24:35; Mark 13:25, Mark 13:31; Hebrews 11:12, RV, "heaven," AV, "sky;" Revelation 6:14; Revelation 20:11; they,
(a) and
(b), were created by the Son of God, Hebrews 1:10, as also by God the Father, Revelation 10:6;
(c) "the eternal dwelling place of God," Matthew 5:16; Matthew 12:50; Revelation 3:12; Revelation 11:13; Revelation 16:11; Revelation 20:9. From thence the Son of God descended to become incarnate, John 3:13, John 3:31; John 6:38, John 6:42. In His ascension Christ "passed through the heavens," Hebrews 4:14, RV; He "ascended far above all the heavens," Ephesians 4:10, and was "made higher than the heavens," Hebrews 7:26; He "sat down on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens," Hebrews 8:1; He is "on the right hand of God," having gone into heaven, 1 Peter 3:22. Since His ascension it is the scene of His present life and activity, e.g., Romans 8:34;. Hebrews 9:24. From the thence the Holy Spirit descended at Pentecost, 1 Peter 1:12. It is the abode of the angels, e.g., Matthew 18:10; Matthew 22:30; cp. Revelation 3:5. Thither Paul was "caught up," whether in the body or out of the body, he knew not, 2 Corinthians 12:2. It is to be the eternal dwelling place of the saints in resurrection glory, 2 Corinthians 5:1. From thence Christ will descend to the air to receive His saints at the Rapture, 1 Thessalonians 4:16; Philippians 3:20-Philippians 3:21, and will subsequently come with His saints and with His holy angels at His second advent, Matthew 24:30; 2 Thessalonians 1:7. In the present life "heavens," is the region of the spirtual citizenship of believers, Philippians 3:20. The present "heavens" with the earth, are to pass away, 2 Peter 3:10, "being on fire," 2 Peter 3:12 (See 2 Peter 3:7); Revelation 20:11, and new "heavens" and earth are to be created, 2 Peter 3:13; Revelation 21:1, with Isaiah 65:17, e.g.
In Luke 15:18, Luke 15:21, "heaven" is used, by metonymy, for God. See AIR.
Notes:
(1) For the phrase in Luke 11:13, See Note on B, No. 2.
(2) In Luke 11:2, the AV, "as in heaven," translates a phrase found in some mss.
[ 2,,G3321, mesouranema ]
denotes "mid-heaven," or the midst of the heavens (mesos, "middle," and No. 1), Revelation 8:13; Revelation 14:6; Revelation 19:17.
[ A-1,Adjective,G3770, ouranios ]
signifying "of heaven, heavenly," corresponding to A, No. 1, is used
(a) as an appellation of God the Father, Matthew 6:14, Matthew 6:26, Matthew 6:32, "your heavenly Father;" Matthew 15:13, "My heavenly Father;"
(b) as descriptive of the holy angels, Luke 2:13;
(c) of the vision seen by Paul, Acts 26:19.
[ A-2,Adjective,G2032, epouranios ]
"heavenly," what pertains to, or is in, heaven (epi, in the sense of "pertaining to," not here, "above"), has meanings corresponding to some of the meanings of ouranos, A, No. 1. It is used
(a) of God the Father, Matthew 18:35;
(b) of the place where Christ "sitteth at the right hand of God" (i.e., in a position of Divine authority), Ephesians 1:20; and of the present position of believers in relationship to Christ, Ephesians 2:6; where they possess "every spiritual blessing," Ephesians 1:3;
(c) of Christ as "the Second Man," and all those who are related to Him spirtually, 1 Corinthians 15:48;
(d) of those whose sphere of activity or existence is above, or in contrast to that of earth, of "principalities and powers," Ephesians 3:10; of "spiritual hosts of wickedness," Ephesians 6:12, RV, "in heavenly places," for AV, "in high places;"
(e) of the Holy Spirit, Hebrews 6:4;
(f) of "heavenly things," as the subjects of the teaching of Christ, John 3:12, and as consisting of the spiritual and "heavenly" sanctuary and "true tabernacle" and all that appertains thereto in relation to Christ and His sacrifice as antitypical of the earthly tabernacle and sacrifices under the Law, Hebrews 8:5; Hebrews 9:23;
(g) of the "calling" of believers, Hebrews 3:1;
(h) of heaven as the abode of the saints, "a better country" than that of earth, Hebrews 11:16, and of the spiritual Jerusalem, Hebrews 12:22;
(i) of the kingdom of Christ in its future manifestation, 2 Timothy 4:18;
(j) of all beings and things, animate and inanimate, that are "above the earth," Philippians 2:10;
(k) of the resurrection and glorified bodies of believers, 1 Corinthians 15:49;
(l) of the "heavenly orbs," 1 Corinthians 15:40 ("celestial," twice, and so rendered here only).
Note: In connection with
(a), the word "heavenly," used of God the Father in Luke 11:13, represents the phrase ex ouranou, "from heaven."
[ B-1,Adverb,G3771, ouranothen ]
formed from A, No. 1, and denoting "from heaven," is used of
(a) the aerial heaven, Acts 14:17;
(b) heaven, as the uncreated sphere of God's abode, Acts 26:13.
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