THE SABBATH IS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT - WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS IT IS ABOLISHED?

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Neither Hebrews 3 or 4 even mention the weekly sabbath.

Sabbatismo
means the keeping of a sabbath, but not necessarily weekly sabbaths. It is also used for the festivals and the 7-year land sabbaths.

Well that is not true...

HEBREWS 4:9 [9], There remains a SABBATH REST to the people of God.

GREEK 4520. σαββατισμός sabbatismŏs, sab-bat-is-mos´; from a der. of 4521; a “sabbatism” Strong, J. (2009). A Concise Dictionary of the Words in the Greek Testament and The Hebrew Bible (Vol. 1, p. 64). Bellingham. The GREEK Word used here is Gr. "sabbatismos", a Sabbath rest, a rest from all work (Heb. 4:9; R.V., “sabbath”), a rest like that of God when he had finished the work of creation. Easton, M. G. (1893). In Easton’s Bible dictionary. New York: Harper & Brothers.

So the question then is what is the CONTEXT of HEBREWS 4:9...

HEBREWS 4:3-5, [3], For we who have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, they shall not enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. [4], For he spoke in a certain place of the seventh day in this way, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. [5], And in this place again, They shall not enter into my rest.

The above is a reference to Genesis 2:1-3...

GENESIS 2:1-3 [1], Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. [2], And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.[3], And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

There you have it. We are talking about the SEVENTH DAY weekly Sabbath rest.
The overall focus of Hebrews 4 is that no one enters God's Sabbath rest if they do not enter his gospel rest.


Hope this helps.
 
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Hello all,


This thread is for friendly discussion only. So please be nice here.

The challenge I am putting up here is for anyone to show even one scripture that says God's 4th Commandment of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11) which was spoken and written by God himself to his people, has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

Can anyone please show me where in all the bible does is say (SOLA SCRIPTURA; Scripture only please)...

1. That God's 4th commandments 7th day Sabbath has been abolished?

2. That Jesus is a Sabbath?

3. The Sabbath (seventh day) was ever changed from the seventh to the first day of the week?

4. Where we are told to keep the first day of the week holy?

5. Where the first day of the week (Sunday) is ever called a holy day?

6. That says that Jesus ever kept the first day (Sunday)?

7. That tells us to keep the first day in honour of the resurrection of Christ?

8. Where the first day is ever given any sacred name?

9. That affirms that any of the apostles ever kept the first day as the Sabbath?

10. From any apostolic writings that authorizes Sunday observance as the Sabbath of God?

11. Where we are told not to work on the first day of the week?

12. That says the seventh day is no longer God's Sabbath day?

13. That says the seventh day Sabbath is ABOLISHED?

14. Where the apostles ever taught any convert to keep the first day of the week as a Sabbath?

15. Where the first day was ever appointed to be kept as the Lord's Day?

16. Where the first day of the week is ever called the Lord's Day?

17. That says that the first day of the week was ever sanctified and hallowed as a day of rest?

18. That says that the Father or the Son (Jesus) rested on the first day of the week?

19. That says that Jesus, Paul or any other of the apostles taught anyone to observe the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

20. That calls the seventh day the “Jewish Sabbath” or one text that calls Sunday the “Christian Sabbath”?

21. Telling man to keep the first day of the week holy or to worship or rest on the first day of the week?

22. Authorizing anyone to set aside God's Sabbath and observe any other day?

23. Showing any of the apostles keeping the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

24. Authorizing someone to set aside the fourth Commandment and observe any other day of the week?

25. Where any apostle taught us to keep the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

26. Declaring that the seventh day is no longer the Eternal Sabbath day?

27. Where Sunday is now appointed to be kept as the New Testament Sabbath or holy day?

...................

Something to think about here because we are all accountable to God come judgment day where we will all be judged by the Word of God (John 12:47-48).

God's Word makes it very clear that if we follow the teachings of men over the Word of God we are not following God...

MATTHEW 15:3-9 [3],
[3], But he answered and said unto them, Why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
[4], For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death.
[5], But you say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift devoted to God, whatsoever you might have received from me;
[6], And honors not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have you made the commandment of God void by your tradition.
[7], You hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
[8], These people draw near unto me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
[9], But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

If we are KNOWINGLY breaking ANY of God's commandments we are not worshipping God.

Look forward to your thoughts...

I have looked and cannot find any Scriptures to contradict you. If Paul and the Apostles always kept the Sabbath's, I think we should consider doing the same. Thank you for the question.




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Dont be weary with keeping the law. Christ commanded us to love God and each other. This is all of the law that you need. If you wish to observe the Sabbath, then do so. But to require Gentiles to observe it is wrong. See Romans 14.

Where does it say in Romans 14 that it is talking about God's 4th commandment? Romans 14 does not even mention God's 4th commandment or does it say God's 4th Commandment is now abolished and we are commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day now does it?
 
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The book of Hebrews kind of burst the bubble of any person wishing to continue in the old Mosaic laws.

That depends on the lens through which you read Scripture. If you believe God changes, that everlasting doesn't mean everlasting, and that English only is a good means of study, then sure, I would agree with you. I began to keep the Sabbath and the feasts because of Romans and Hebrews and because I began to align what was being said to the OT where quoted, factor in that context, look at the underlying language... roll it back into Hebrew since Hebrews was most certainly written in Hebrew, and so forth. :)

We live in a culture that defines 2000 year old letters in modern terms, using modern cultural understanding, and thinks that context is the verse before and after. No wonder the church promotes no law (lawless) when the NT repeatedly warns against lawlessness.
 
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I have looked and cannot find any Scriptures to contradict you. If Paul and the Apostles always kept the Sabbath's, I think we should consider doing the same. Thank you for the question.

God bless you Anderseric. Do not take anyones Word here (mine included). Take it to God alone in prayer and seek him through his Word claiming the promises of John 14:26; John 16:13, John 7:17 and John 8:31-32. Only God's Word is true and it is a light unto our path and a lamp unto our feet. God's sheep here his voice (the Word)

God bless
 
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HEBREWS 4:3-5, [3], For we who have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, they shall not enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. [4], For he spoke in a certain place of the seventh day in this way, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. [5], And in this place again, They shall not enter into my rest.

The word day is not in Hebrews 4:4. It was added by translators. That it does not refer to the weekly sabbath, but to the number seven, which symbolizes rest, is evident by the fact that the writer of Hebrews used two examples of scripture (Genesis 2:2 and Psalms 95:11) that have nothing to do with the weekly sabbath in order to make his point - "For he spoke in a certain place of the seventh in this way: "And God did rest the seventh day from all his works" (Genesis 2:2), and in this place again, "They shall not enter into my rest." (psalm 95:11)
 
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The word day is not in Hebrews 4:4. It was added by translators. That it does not refer to the weekly sabbath, but to the number seven, which symbolizes rest, is evident by the fact that the writer of Hebrews used two examples of scripture (Genesis 2:2 and Psalms 95:11) that have nothing to do with the weekly sabbath in order to make his point - "For he spoke in a certain place of the seventh in this way: "And God did rest the seventh day from all his works" (Genesis 2:2), and in this place again, "They shall not enter into my rest." (psalm 95:11)

Your point weather the word day is used or not in v4 is irrelavent. The context is the rest from the creation of the world referenced in Hebrews 4:3 to Genesis 2:1-3 which is talking about the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH rest.

Sorry συνείδησις, which ever way you wish to spin it God's Word disagrees with you. Hebrews 3 and Hebrews 4:2 make it very clear why God's people did not enter his rest previously. It was because of unbelief in God's WORD and sin. So you cannot enter God's Sabbath rest without first entering the gospel rest.

Hope this helps.
 
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Hello all,

This thread is for friendly discussion only. So please be nice here.

The challenge I am putting up here is for anyone to show even one scripture that says God's 4th Commandment of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11) which was spoken and written by God himself to his people, has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

Can anyone please show me where in all the bible does is say (SOLA SCRIPTURA; Scripture only please)...

1. That God's 4th commandments 7th day Sabbath has been abolished?

2. That Jesus is a Sabbath?

3. The Sabbath (seventh day) was ever changed from the seventh to the first day of the week?

4. Where we are told to keep the first day of the week holy?

5. Where the first day of the week (Sunday) is ever called a holy day?

6. That says that Jesus ever kept the first day (Sunday)?

7. That tells us to keep the first day in honour of the resurrection of Christ?

8. Where the first day is ever given any sacred name?

9. That affirms that any of the apostles ever kept the first day as the Sabbath?

10. From any apostolic writings that authorizes Sunday observance as the Sabbath of God?

11. Where we are told not to work on the first day of the week?

12. That says the seventh day is no longer God's Sabbath day?

13. That says the seventh day Sabbath is ABOLISHED?

14. Where the apostles ever taught any convert to keep the first day of the week as a Sabbath?

15. Where the first day was ever appointed to be kept as the Lord's Day?

16. Where the first day of the week is ever called the Lord's Day?

17. That says that the first day of the week was ever sanctified and hallowed as a day of rest?

18. That says that the Father or the Son (Jesus) rested on the first day of the week?

19. That says that Jesus, Paul or any other of the apostles taught anyone to observe the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

20. That calls the seventh day the “Jewish Sabbath” or one text that calls Sunday the “Christian Sabbath”?

21. Telling man to keep the first day of the week holy or to worship or rest on the first day of the week?

22. Authorizing anyone to set aside God's Sabbath and observe any other day?

23. Showing any of the apostles keeping the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

24. Authorizing someone to set aside the fourth Commandment and observe any other day of the week?

25. Where any apostle taught us to keep the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

26. Declaring that the seventh day is no longer the Eternal Sabbath day?

27. Where Sunday is now appointed to be kept as the New Testament Sabbath or holy day?

...................

Something to think about here because we are all accountable to God come judgment day where we will all be judged by the Word of God (John 12:47-48).

God's Word makes it very clear that if we follow the teachings of men over the Word of God we are not following God...

MATTHEW 15:3-9 [3],
[3], But he answered and said unto them, Why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
[4], For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death.
[5], But you say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift devoted to God, whatsoever you might have received from me;
[6], And honors not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have you made the commandment of God void by your tradition.
[7], You hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
[8], These people draw near unto me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
[9], But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

If we are KNOWINGLY breaking ANY of God's commandments we are not worshipping God.

Look forward to your thoughts...






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1. "Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;" (Ephesians 2:15 KJV).

2. Sabbath basically means "rest" in Exodus 16:23, which says, "To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD". Jesus said of himself, "Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light." (Matthew 18:28-30).

3. I got a better one for you, the first day of rest ever commanded to anyone in the Bible was on the first day of the week, "And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you." (Exodus 12:16).

4. See above. "an HOLY convocation"

5. See above.

6. He didn't, because he had to fulfill the law of Moses in order to "abolish" it on the cross (see #1).

7. "Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils." (Mark 16:9). "And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight." (Acts 20:7). "Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. 2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come." (1 Corinthians 16:1-2). The apostle Paul preached a sermon to a congregation of believers on the "first day of the week" and told the saints in Corinth to have the "collection" "upon the first day of the week". The only possible reason for this day being chosen for those things, is because their Lord and Saviour was risen on "the first day of the week". Paul also said, "Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me." (1 Corinthians 4:16). Since Paul preached to a local church (congregation) and taught that the collection ought to be done on the first day of the week, we ought to follow him in gathering with the saints to hear preaching and offering collection on the first day of the week.

8. See #3.

9. None did. They didn't even keep the seventh day as a sabbath anywhere in the New Testament.

10. None. In fact, they said the sabbath wasn't for today, but for later on (i.e. in the Millennial Kingdom) in Colossians 2:16-17, "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ."

11. Nowhere. Neither is any Christian told to rest on the seventh day of the week.

12. See #10.

13. Um, this is the exact same question as #1, which I answered.

14. See #10.

15. It never was. Neither was the seventh day ever called "the Lord's day" in the Bible. The Lord's day (Rev. 1:10) is the day of the Lord, just as Bob's car is the car of Bob. It has absolutely nothing to do with any 24-hour sabbath day.

16. See #15.

17. See #10.

18. See #6.

19. See #10.

20. Well, the seventh day sabbath is Jewish. The Bible may not have the exact title, you're looking for, but it comes close enough when it says, "Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. 17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed." (Exodus 31:16-17).

21. None, neither is there of the seventh day in the New Testament.

22. See #10.

23. See #10.

24. This is the exact question as #22. See #10.

25. See #10.

26. See #10.

27. See #10.

Also, we don't need to keep the sabbath to fulfill the law of God. We can fulfill the whole law by loving our neighbor as ourselves, "Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law." (Romans 13:8-10). There is an "other commandment" not listed by Paul (keep the sabbath), and he said that it is comprehended in loving your neighbor as yourself. I don't need to KEEP the sabbath day to fulfill the law, love is the fulfilling of the law.
 
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That depends on the lens through which you read Scripture. If you believe God changes, that everlasting doesn't mean everlasting, and that English only is a good means of study, then sure, I would agree with you. I began to keep the Sabbath and the feasts because of Romans and Hebrews and because I began to align what was being said to the OT where quoted, factor in that context, look at the underlying language... roll it back into Hebrew since Hebrews was most certainly written in Hebrew, and so forth. :)

We live in a culture that defines 2000 year old letters in modern terms, using modern cultural understanding, and thinks that context is the verse before and after. No wonder the church promotes no law (lawless) when the NT repeatedly warns against lawlessness.
I have to agree with Ken. When I stopped reading the Scriptures from a Western, linear and Greek perspective, I saw how man easily changed the Word of God. If we read from a Hebrew and circular perspective as Jesus did, it is very hard not to hear the Shema in both the Old and the New. Opps, from a Hebrew perspective, there is no Old and New. The Law and Prophets work seamlessly together.
 
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I have to agree with Ken. When I stopped reading the Scriptures from a Western, linear and Greek perspective, I saw how man easily changed the Word of God. If we read from a Hebrew and circular perspective as Jesus did, it is very hard not to hear the Shema in both the Old and the New. Opps, from a Hebrew perspective, there is no Old and New. The Law and Prophets work seamlessly together.

Saying there is no old and new subverts the new.
 
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Let me interpret this for everyone if you will allow....

The statement above, basically, is saying:

1) I just don't care enough to explain and even if I did, I know there isn't evidence in the scripture to support my theory and I wish to be like the people in 2 Timothy 4:3-4

or

2) I have not the knowledge in scripture and I just believe what I wish to that someone else has told me because it feels good and sounds right to me like the people in 1 Timothy 4:1

Hosea 4:6

Look, forgive my blunt responses.

However, if you going to refute scripture I have pulled, at least have the decency to put forth scripture in return for me to look over.

Not your opinions.
Allow me to repeat myself: Blessings and byeeee!
 
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Your point weather the word day is used or not in v4 is irrelavent. The context is the rest from the creation of the world referenced in Hebrews 4:3 to Genesis 2:1-3 which is talking about the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH rest.

Again, Psalm 95:11 has nothing to do with a weekly sabbath for it refers to rest for Israel in the land of Canaan. Also, Genesis 2:2 refers to GOD's eternal rest. So Hebrews 4:4 has nothing to do with the weekly sabbath, but is referring to GOD's eternal rest (which the land of Canaan was a type and shadow).
 
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Well, I would say the new reinforces the old if you want to use that language. The prophesies are not old, they are timeless. To "love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength is not old", Deut.6:5. See Mark 12:29-31 to compare. To "love" did not change. At least, that is what I read without man's traditions getting in the way.
 
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That depends on the lens through which you read Scripture. If you believe God changes, that everlasting doesn't mean everlasting, and that English only is a good means of study, then sure, I would agree with you. I began to keep the Sabbath and the feasts because of Romans and Hebrews and because I began to align what was being said to the OT where quoted, factor in that context, look at the underlying language... roll it back into Hebrew since Hebrews was most certainly written in Hebrew, and so forth. :)

We live in a culture that defines 2000 year old letters in modern terms, using modern cultural understanding, and thinks that context is the verse before and after. No wonder the church promotes no law (lawless) when the NT repeatedly warns against lawlessness.

I can't say about the people here, but I do feel sure that many get on Christian boards not to be supportive of the Scriptures, but to attack them in subtle, and not so subtle, ways. That is why I do not have the patience you have in debating. I'm glad you have it, though.

When presenting scientific facts to evolution believers. i have seen the same denial of obvious truths (which, again, I was guilty of myself in the past about the Sabbath), the same weakness in research, the same evasion when asked simple questions, and the same sometimes deliberate twist and spin. The difference is that the evolution believers are generally not distorting the Scriptures, which is far more serious and saddening than distorting scientific data.
 
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The Law is not the Mosaic Law; it is the Law of the Most High God. MOSES only delivered to humans something of the Most High God that they should have already known. It is all God's law, not Moses'; there is no such thing as a Mosaic Law.

And why would anyone continue to sacrifice when Christ Is?

It defeats the purpose of the sacrifice to continue sacrificing animals today, even though it is still a Law. That is where ministers get the idea of you crucifying the Redeemed every time you purposefully sin - because He is our Sacrifice.

If someone is going to jump into a conversation, then it might be prudent to see the very beginning of the conversations start.

You missed vital information.

This is what I previously said:

The "law of God" is the "law of Moses", see Ezra read from "the book of the law of Moses, which is also called the "the book of the law of God" Nehemiah 8:1,18. Even in Luke 2:22-24 records such a thing.

In Romans 7:4 and 7, Paul quotes from the ten commandments and taught that it was part of the old law to which they had "become dead....through the body of Christ".

Paul also wrote this here, 2 Corinthians 3:3-11.

What was “passing away”?

The law written on the “tablets of stone.”

What was the law “engraved on stones” that was given to Moses on Mt. Sinai?

The Ten Commandments (Exodus 20). In this passage, Paul teaches the Ten Commandments are not an eternal covenant.

The New Testament clearly teaches that the old law has been abolished. Whether one is talking about the Ten Commandments or the ceremonial laws, the Law of Moses or the Law of God, all are considered the old law that no longer is in effect.

Jesus Christ fulfilled that law and nailed it to the cross forever
Matthew 5:17-18
Colossians 2:13-17

So, I am curious. Why did you think that I would say otherwise?

Did you mean to post to someone else?
 
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Some people believe, but have no faith. The just live from faith; the law is not from faith.

Now it is clear that no one is justified in the sight of God by the law, because “the one who is righteous will live from faith.” But the law is not from faith, but “the one who does these things will live in them.” Galatians 3:11-12
 
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If you believe God changes, that everlasting doesn't mean everlasting

I suppose that this would be the root at which needs to be addressed.

The OT made MANY predictions/prophecies that this would happen.

So I agree God doesn't change, God in fact placed it in the OT as something that would happen when Christ would come.

So, there is only a lens for people that wish to change things up according to their own desires. I read it for what it is and what is says straight up.

As far as how to study, do you think that God would only give the bible to people that understand Greek?

Is the bible only for the rich and educated?

I am not saying that I don't study the Greek words (because people like to twist scripture it makes it easier to refute them with the original Greek), however one does not need the Greek words to know what the scriptures say. God has made means of people out there in the world that can translate for people that do not have the means.

Did you also know that the bible is written in the 6-12 grade reading level pending on the version (kjv,asv,esv,etc)?

It's really not that hard to understand, people make it hard with their own desires/wishes.
 
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Allow me to repeat myself: Blessings and byeeee!

Hey, its okay.

I put forth scripture for you and you could not do the same for me. That says volumes.

I hope your week and weekend finds you safe, healthy, and diligently seeking Christ.
 
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