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Revelation 3:7-8 "And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith He that is holy, He that is true, He that hath the key of David, He that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth; I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept My word, and hast not denied My name."

Isaiah 22:20-22
20 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will call My servant Eliakim the son of Hilkiah:
21 And I will clothe Him with thy robe, and strengthen Him with thy girdle, and I will commit thy government into His hand: and He shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah.
22 And the key of the house of David will I lay upon His shoulder; so He shall open, and none shall shut; and He shall shut, and none shall open.
23 And I will fasten Him as a nail in a sure place; and He shall be for a glorious throne to His Father's house.
24 And they shall hang upon Him all the glory of His Father's house, the offspring and the issue, all vessels of small quantity, from the vessels of cups, even to all the vessels of flagons.

Jesus is Eliakim, God of raising; and Hilkiah, the portion of Yah, according to Strong's Concordance.

The key means:
"a primitive root; to open wide (literally or figuratively); specifically, to loosen, begin, plough, carve:--appear, break forth, draw (out), let go free, (en-)grave(-n), loose (self), (be, be set) open(-ing), put off, ungird, unstop, have vent."

The house means:
"probably from 'banah'; a house (in the greatest variation of applications, especially family, etc.):--court, daughter, door, + dungeon, family, + forth of, X great as would contain, hangings, home(born), (winter)house(-hold), inside(-ward), palace, place, + prison, + steward, + tablet, temple, web, + within(-out)."

David means:
"from an unused root meaning properly, to boil, i.e. (figuratively) to love; by implication, a love- token, lover, friend; specifically an uncle:--(well-)beloved, father's brother, love, uncle."


Doesn't Isaiah 22:22 match Isaiah 42:6-7 fairly closely?

"I the LORD have called Thee in righteousness, and will hold Thine hand, and will keep Thee, and give Thee for a Covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, [and] them that sit in darkness out of the prison house."

So... doesn't the Covenant itself mean the Key? In fact, those words are so closely intertwined, that the Covenant is a gift of love from the throne room of the Ancient of Days. The God of Raising and Son of God, will Open Prisons, by Love. Jesus is the Covenant, incarnate.

Philadelphia, the church of Brotherly Love, has kept the word of Jesus, and has never denied the authority of His name/position. This brotherly love is the first love that Ephesus was losing. Smyrna had that love back, to such a degree that they were poor because they had given all they had to their ever-expanding fellowship of brothers, and so they were rich in the eyes of Heaven; I believe this to be the first persecuted church. The things that apply to Smyrna will apply to last-church Philadelphia, IMHO; I say last-church because, as of today, I don't think that Laodicea will be part of the Bride; I think they will be the multitude upon the sea of glass, singing the song of Moses.

And as of today, I believe that the two witnesses are either the Law and the Prophets as represented in Moses and Elijah... or they're the divided Kingdom of Israel and Judah, which would make them also the 144k.
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I started this thread because of the inspiration I found in Fellowship and Games. I named this thread Other Sheep, because Jesus says He came only unto the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel, by which He had to mean none other than the literal Northern Kingdom. If you hear His voice, you are the Other Sheep, and almost certainly a genetic member of the House of Israel.

John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear My voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one shepherd.

[Judah/Benjamin was never lost.]
 
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Jesus says He came only unto the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel, by which He had to mean none other than the literal Northern Kingdom. If you hear His voice, you are these Other Sheep.
This is the absolute truth.
Those who hear and respond to the Voice of Jesus, ARE His sheep, His faithful people. We know they come from every tribe, race, nation and language, Isaiah 66:18b, Revelation 5:9-10, and they are the Israel of God.
Thinking that the citizens of the Jewish State of Israel, has any rightful claim to the name of Israel, or that they will be redeemed because of their [supposed] descent, is wrong and quite unbiblical.
 
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This is the absolute truth.
Those who hear and respond to the Voice of Jesus, ARE His sheep, His faithful people. We know they come from every tribe, race, nation and language, Isaiah 66:18b, Revelation 5:9-10, and they are the Israel of God.
Thinking that the citizens of the Jewish State of Israel, has any rightful claim to the name of Israel, or that they will be redeemed because of their [supposed] descent, is wrong and quite unbiblical.

Meaning that the 10 tribes of Israel mixed with the nations to such a degree that their blood is merged with that of other races, IMHO. I honestly and truly believe that Jesus meant it literally, when He said that He came only unto the Lost tribes of the House of Israel. The Lost Tribes of Israel are a specific genetic race, which has been genetically mixed with other people, so that there are honest and true Israelites within every Nation on Earth. Not that the nations in which they live have been planted by Israel, but that genetic Israel has been planted in the nations of the Gentiles. So that, many people who call themselves Gomerians are partially Israelites: and among the Gomerians, if they hear the voice of Jesus, they will learn that they are literally a member of the Lost Tribe of Israel. In this way, God has reconciled all the nations of the world: within this mixed blood, a percentage of which must come from Jacob... this is my humbled opinion.

Now... I agree with you in part about modern Israel. And it's all because they say that Israel is "dead to them". I don't understand that spiritual-Israel any other way, than that Judah/Benjamin doesn't recognize 10-tribed-Northern-Israel as a Nation. [How long before they are once again, one stick in the Master's Hand!] But Judah/Benjamin is no more mixed than the Lost Tribes of Israel, are they? I was wrong for thinking that Revelation's 144k meant pure blood... although it really has to mean genetic. Especially since the Old Testament Israel is not so much in force, these days, and there can never be a sojourning ideology in such a place.

But if memory serves, the Kingdom divided, gave the National title to the 10-tribed North, but Judah kept the crown for Jesus. Now, John says that Jesus' own tribe rejected Him, and so does the parable of Jesus.

Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

A Nation. That One Nation has to be the 10-Tribed-Northern Nation of Israel, all things considered.
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Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

A Nation. That One Nation has to be the 10-Tribed-Northern Nation of Israel, all things considered.
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A nation of Matthew 21:43 is not speaking of a nation made up of the "lost tribes of Israel." It is a holy nation making up of all elects from Old and New Testament. Covenant Israel.

Speaking to Old Testament Jews chosen to represent God's Kingdom:

Exodus 19:5-6
[5] Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
[6] And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

Because of Israel's rebellion and rejection, their kingdom representative was taken from them and gave to the New Testament Gentiles who were one not considered as people of God in the Old Testament.

1 Peter 2:9-10
[9] But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
[10] Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

You may study for more information on "Lost Tribes of Israel" here.
 
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Meaning that the 10 tribes of Israel mixed with the nations to such a degree that their blood is merged with that of other races, IMHO.
This whole question is mixed up with issues of genealogy, race, religious beliefs, etc.
Basically, we don't know who are the true Israelites. But we can be sure that God does! Amos 9:9

Our duty at present is to stand strong in our faith, no matter what happens and to do the tasks the Lord would have us do to the best of our ability.
I believe we will be assigned to a tribe when we live in the holy Land. Isaiah 66:18b-21

The NT makes it plain that ethnicity no longer counts, only FAITH. Ephesians 2:11-18
 
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A nation of Matthew 21:43 is not speaking of a nation made up of the "lost tribes of Israel." It is a holy nation making up of all elects from Old and New Testament. Covenant Israel.
Matthew 8:10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.

The tribes of Israel were there in the land of Israel, intermingled, at the time. There was not a restored Kingdom of Israel, a united nation, at that time though. The Jews returned en-masse from the Babylonian captivity, but not to the restored Kingdom of Israel.

The uniting of the two sticks of Judah and Ephraim in Ezekiel 37 has taken place in May 14, 1948. The church is not the nation of Israel, nor the Kingdom of Israel.

May 14, 1948, also fulfilled Isaiah 66, a nation born in a day. The nation of Israel is still yet to become the Kingdom of Israel, with Jesus returning to be their King - with Jerusalem, saying blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.

In Acts 1:6-7, the disciples asked Jesus, if it was now that he would restore the Kingdom to Israel. And he said...

6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

The Kingdom of Israel will not be restored until Jesus's Second Coming - which no-one knows that date, but God.

Therefore, since it is not known when the Kingdom of Israel will be restored, except God, and was not even given to know by the disciples, who being saved at that time were the church - howbeit that you say the church is the Kingdom of Israel ?
 
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Matthew 8:10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.

You need to learn to read the CONTEXT of the verse which will be shown momentarily.

And I know Premillennialists teach that when the Jewish people rejected Christ, the kingdom was postponed, but that is something that they have "read Into" the scriptures, not something that is actually there. And such teachings imply that the Church was really brought in by accident.

Ephesians 1:4
  • "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:"

It was always meant to be Salvation to the world, and that all of "The Israel of God" would be saved by the fullness of the Gentiles coming in among the Jews, also becoming citizens of the commonwealth of Israel (Ephesians 2:11-13). Thus God has always ordained a restoration of Israel from a global source. Not Middle Eastern nation! All the children of God chosen from before the foundation of the world. ALL! Both Jews and Gentiles! They are the Israel of God who would be restored. What you fail to understand is that the Gentiles were not penciled in "after Israel rejected Christ", they were predestinated from before the foundation of the world. Now here is the context you need to read.

Matthew 8:10-12
  • "When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.
  • And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
  • But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
Do you even know who are the children of the kingdom? They are part of God's covenant but not truly saved. Many are called into the kingdom, few are chosen! That is why Christ warned that not all Israel is of Israel! Christ had always known the rejection of Israel and the reconciliation of the world. The only "substitute" the Bible knows about is Christ (Israel), as He was the substitute for us as He stood in to suffer for our sins. It is by this suffering that Israel is restored. Not physical national restoration! It is by His stripes Israel is healed. Healed and restored are synonymous in this sense.

This is the Restoration of Israel, and it is NOT Replacement Theology, as you teach! It is "Inclusion Theology." For example, the Gentiles, chosen of God, have been "included" in the Kingdom of Israel. The physical land of Israel was NOT in view, and all the Jewish people of Israel have never been the true Israel (Romans 9:6). The true Israel of God has always been a spiritual people. A remnant then, and a remnant now! Selah! The only difference is that now, a larger remnant of the Gentiles are also included on a worldwide scale. A larger portion of the Jews first, then a larger portion of the Gentiles last. Get it?
 
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The only "substitute" the Bible knows about is Christ (Israel), as He was the substitute for us as He stood in to suffer for our sins. It is by this suffering that Israel is restored. Not physical national restoration! It is by His stripes Israel is healed. Healed and restored are synonymous in this sense.
You did not read what it says in Acts 1:6-7. It is not Israel restored. It is the Kingdom restored to Israel.
That she would be a united nation again and have her own King. Do you not think the disciples were familiar with what it says in Ezekiel 37?

The nation of Israel - as the fulfillment of the joining of the two sticks in Ezekiel 37 - took place in May 14:1948. But it is not that the Kingdom has been restored to Israel, yet - which will not be until Jesus returns at His Second Coming, which only God knows that date.
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TS, in Ezekiel 38-39, who does it say that Gog/Magog attacks? Either the Kingdom of Israel, or the church? Either one of those?

In the text, who does it actually say Gog/Magog attacks?
 
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You did not read what it says in Acts 1:6-7. It is not Israel restored. It is the Kingdom restored to Israel.

This Kingdom is something the Apostles did not really understand at first. That the saints would actually reign on earth (spiritually) as ambassadors of a spiritual Kingdom situated above (Ephesians 2:6). Thus the kingdom of God they sought to come, had already come, and was not carnal or a worldly kingdom, but spiritual. It is revealed when we receive the power of the Spirit from on high, wherein we learn that it is now being extended throughout the world through the preaching of the gospel of Christ (Luke 9:60). Even as the Apostles asked, and it was revealed darkly, as through a glass. Read again:

Acts 1:6-8
  • "When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
  • And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
  • But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth."

This is the kingdom restored! Christ said that the Kingdom is restored through the preaching of the Gospel!. Because it's a spiritual Kingdom. Not national Israel restoration like you believe. If you can't see this, I can't help you, but Spirit of God can. I am only a witness.

That she would be a united nation again and have her own King.

Christ is already our King ruling in the kingdom through the Church where he has made us kings and priests to bring Gospel to the world! You got all the timing and Israel wrong.

Do you not think the disciples were familiar with what it says in Ezekiel 37?

Oh Douggg! Do you think they understood what Christ talked about before being filled with Holy Spirit at Pentecost?

Anyway, the restoration of Israel is thought to be to a political kingdom by the Premil theologians, but the restoration really speaks about restoring Israel spiritually in the New Covenant with Israel. Can't you really studying the Scripture at all?

Isaiah 49:6
  • "And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth."
This is HOW Christ restored Israel and became a light unto the Gentile world. By the cross. The prophecy is spiritually taken, but you like most church today is so caught up in the visual that they don't understand this.

Moreover, the AD 70 theory, the rebuilding of the physical temple, the supporting the nation of Israel today, it's all part and parcel of the same visual error concerning where man will find the kingdom of God. The Pharisees made the very same mistake! Selah! And the Church today just doesn't seem to learn from the examples that God has provided for us. You neither!

Luke 17:20-21
  • "And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
  • Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."
CLEARLY God is saying the Kingdom of God is Spiritual and not visual or physical where it can be observed. Because we worship God in Spirit and truth, not with looking visually to Lands, Pictures, Temples, Earthly Kingdoms or Visions of world wide dominion theologies. It's all about the "Spiritual" and not the visual. Some people just don't get the Spiritual. Sad!

Also consider that the bringing again into the land that the Premillennialists (and some Post and even Amillennialists) believe is future, was fulfilled by Christ. It wasn't a prophecy of the restoration of a physical land, but the bringing of God's people back to the promised land of the true Israel of God. The land of promise is a Spiritual land! As it is written:

Ezekiel 37:12-14
  • "Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
  • And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
  • And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.
Is this a prophesy of literal dead people rising out of the ground to go live in the physical land of Israel in the Middle East? Hello? No, its a prophesy of the spiritual dead, being spiritually resurrected to reign with Christ in Spiritual Israel. Selah!

The nation of Israel - as the fulfillment of the joining of the two sticks in Ezekiel 37 - took place in May 14:1948.

Nope!

in Ezekiel 38-39, who does it say that Gog/Magog attacks? Either the Kingdom of Israel, or the church? Either one of those?

The mountain (kingdom) of Israel which is the New Testament Congregation of Israel, the Church. Shocking! Were you expecting National Israel? You need to stop reading Jerusalem Post and start allowing Scripture to interpret Scripture.[/quote]
 
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Oh Douggg! Do you think they understood what Christ talked about before being filled with Holy Spirit at Pentecost?
After the resurrection and before Acts, Jesus appeared to the disciples...

Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

48 And ye are witnesses of these things.

49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
 
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The mountain (kingdom) of Israel which is the New Testament Congregation of Israel, the Church. Shocking! Were you expecting National Israel? You need to stop reading Jerusalem Post and start allowing Scripture to interpret Scripture.
What does the text say in Ezekiel 38 who Gog/Magog attacks? It does not say the Kingdom of Israel; it does not say the church; it does not say covenant Israel.

8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

12 To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.

14 Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord GOD; In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it?

Ezekiel 38:18 And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face.
 
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What does the text say in Ezekiel 38 who Gog/Magog attacks? It does not say the Kingdom of Israel; it does not say the church; it does not say covenant Israel.

8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

12 To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.

14 Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord GOD; In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it?

Ezekiel 38:18 And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face.

In Matthew chapter 21 Christ reveals that the "son" is the "heir" to the land.

The kingdom was taken from the nation which rejected the "chief cornerstone" and it was given to the "holy nation" which accepted the "chief cornerstone".


Mat 21:37 But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.
Mat 21:38 But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.
Mat 21:39 And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.
Mat 21:40 When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?
Mat 21:41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
Mat 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
Mat 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.


1Pe 2:4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,
1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.

1Pe 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
1Pe 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

1Pe 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.


You are attempting to give the land back to those who reject the "chief cornerstone".

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You are attempting to give the land back to those who reject the "chief cornerstone".
That generation died off 2000 years ago, just like that first generation coming out of Egypt did not enter the promised land, but another generation did.

Why are you going to Matthew, to address what it says in Ezekiel 38/39 who Gog/Magog attacks? It doesn't say church. It is specific to the land of Israel. To the people brought out of the nations. And God calls "my people of Israel".
 
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Why are you going to Matthew, to address what it says in Ezekiel 38/39 who Gog/Magog attacks?

Because the words of Christ found in the New Testament reveal that the Old Testament is a book about Him.
Some of us keep trying to ignore this fact.


Luk 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
Luk 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
Luk 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

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After the resurrection and before Acts, Jesus appeared to the disciples...

Luke 24L44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

48 And ye are witnesses of these things.

49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

So? Your point is? They understand some Scriptures after the resurrection does not mean they understand everything in Scriptures concerning Christ and His People in that single day. Some will gain wisdom and spiritual understanding than others and to all saints in diver times according to the will of God.

Colossians 1:9-10
[9] For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;
[10] That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;​
 
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What does the text say in Ezekiel 38 who Gog/Magog attacks? It does not say the Kingdom of Israel; it does not say the church; it does not say covenant Israel.

You don't get it because you are blind with physical nation of Israel which is not where God talked about. You have a lot to learn and only if you have spiritual ears to hear.

In Ezekiel 38/39, God did not talk about physical nations armed with some physical weapons to wage physical war against a physical nation called "Israel" here. Rather, God is talking about His Congregation where He has redeemed many people out of the nations. You need to understand that it will be a time when God shall "visit" in the "latter days" to test the faithfulness of His Congregation, the Church, after 2,000 years of testimony to the world. Finding that she is not faithful, He will bring the army of Gog and Magog as a tool of judgment against this Congregation.

8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

Do you really understand what "bought back" God was talking about? It is the past tense of "bring again." The term to bring again is salvation language altogether. God states in verse eight of our study that after many days He (God) will visit Gog and Magog, meaning He will bring judgment upon the nations of the world. In the latter years thou (Gog and Magog) shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword. To be “brought back” is past tense and can certainly be said of it that at one time prior to its fulfillment it would look forward to bringing again. Thus it is with our salvation. We were once lost and without Christ in the world and in our hearts. God, in His mercy, made a covenant that He would bring His chosen back into His fold as it was prior to our fall in the Garden of Eden. This is simple doctrine and needs no interpretation. After our fall we were eternally separated from God. We would one day be
brought back (from the sword) or another way of stating this is that God would one day bring again that which was lost or driven away, which was our fellowship and covenant with the Living Creator!

This is the spiritual house of Israel is to be brought back. This is the lost sheep of the house of Israel that Christ will bring back. Christ will bring again the captivity of Jacob, and this is NOT hightlighting the physical rebirth of the nation of Israel.

Ezekiel 34:11-13
[11] For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out.
[12] As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day.
[13] And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them to their own land, and feed them upon the mountains of Israel by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country.

At first glance, this may appear totally ludicrous to many in that we are stating that the mountains of Israel are NOT the literal mountains of the "latter days" rebirth of the nation of Israel. Yes, God has told us that He would gather us from all nations and bring us into "our own land." God SPIRITUALLY identifies this "land" as the mountains of Israel. These are not literal mountains nor are they located in a literal nation or country called Israel. Old Testament Israel was a nation lead of God to PREFIGURE or FORESHADOW His New Testament spiritual nation of all believers, both Jews and Gentiles. This is a spiritual "land" - the land of salvation, the land of milk and honey, etc. Eternal salvation is God's gift to those whom He has chosen and has given them an eternal home in an eternal land:

Psalms 143:10
[10] Teach me to do thy will; for thou art my God: thy spirit is good; lead me into the land of uprightness.

The land of uprightness is indeed the spiritual land of Israel - the mountains thereof. It is the land in which our father Abraham sought after:

Hebrews 11:9-10
[9] By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
[10] For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

It is a spiritual city whose builder and maker is God, This spiritual city is represented here on earth by the Church of Jesus Christ which is a TARGET of God and Magog attack at the end of time:

Ezekiel 34:13-14
[13] And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them to their own land, and feed them upon the mountains of Israel by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country.
[14] I will feed them in a good pasture, and upon the high mountains of Israel shall their fold be: there shall they lie in a good fold, and in a fat pasture shall they feed upon the mountains of Israel.

God was NOT talking about feeding His people with literal good pastures, but with good pastures of SPIRITUAL FOOD which is GOSPEL that only can be found upon HIGH Mountains of Israel! Selah! There they will lie down in a good fold, and in a fat pasture. This is what Gospel nourishment is about! It sustains spiritual life and this is only found WITHIN the Kingdom of God which is symbolized as the Mountains of Israel! Selah!

This is where God will use the armies of Gog and Magog will attack upon THIS mountains of Israel (Church) to "spoil and to take prey" upon Gospel itself! They will destroy everything that the Gospel stands for.

Joel warned about it:

Joel 2:1-4
[1] Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;
[2] A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.
[3] A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.
[4] The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run.

The armies of Gog and Magog are NOT Russians or Islamic nations. They are the false prophets and christs! God compared them as the horsemen of Revelation 9! They will come with false gospel and doctrines that will replace or destroy true Gospel, leaving destruction left within God's congregation! Haven't you note it today?

It is a warning from God that only His Chosen Elect will "hear" and "see" this judgment that is taking place upon the unfaithful congregations all over the Earth - Gog and Magog!
 
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And one more thing that you should consider wisely!

Look at what the armies of Gog and Magog come with:

Ezekiel 38:3-7
[3] And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:
[4] And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:
[5] Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:
[6] Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.
[7] Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them.

Sounds familiar? Look at what Satan's army possesses to compare with what God's Elect possesses in Ephesians 6! God is warning us that our enemies are PEOPLE will appear to be Christians, but what they have is counterfeit in Truth! They are imposters of Christ and their weapons are false weapons that are designed to spiritually deceive the countless souls in the unfaithful congregation of God. Selah!

This is why we are waging a spiritual "war and rumors of wars" all over the world in the churches where we are witnessing the rise of false prophets and christs coming with lying signs and wonders and deceive many professed Christians to join with them like a sand of the sea! They deceive them by spoil and make prey upon God's Word where the Elect, God's faithful merchants and young lions, can "SEE" and testify against them saying:

Ezekiel 38:13
[13] Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?

Well, something to think about!
 
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Because the words of Christ found in the New Testament reveal that the Old Testament is a book about Him.
Some of us keep trying to ignore this fact.


Luk 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
Luk 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
Luk 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

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You are still not making any sense BaB2. Ezekiel 38 makes it clear that the church is not Israel. You are not addressing Ezekiel 38. You are in denial.


14 Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord GOD; In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it?

Ezekiel 38:18 And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face.
 
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So? Your point is? They understand some Scriptures after the resurrection does not mean they understand everything in Scriptures concerning Christ and His People in that single day. Some will gain wisdom and spiritual understanding than others and to all saints in diver times according to the will of God.
Ezekiel 38 makes it clear that the church is not Israel, nor your term covenant Israel.

And concering the Kingdom not being restored to Israel, except only when God knows, and the disciples would not experience it - you had stated that the disciples did not understand what Jesus said to them in Acts 6-7. Yes, they did.

But like BaB2, you are in denial.
 
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