Space suits... the "nail" in the coffin?

[JackRT]

OK, one question in resoponse to the first part. I only have a bit of time tonight, sorry.

So. My A/C unit takes the heat out of the air and then a fan blows through coils to radiate that heat outside. Likewise, a car radiator brings hot fluid from the cars engine out to cooling fins. Here, air flow carries the heat away and cools the fluid so it can go back into the water jacket around the engine to pick up more heat....

Simple concept... with an atmosphere....

Now, remove that atmosphere and there is absolutely nothing to radiate the heat away from the space suit. In space there is no atmosphere. It is a vacuum. There is no medium, like on earth where we have nitrogen and oxygen and water vapor in the air to pick up the heat and carry it away.. not in space..... none....nada.... ergo.... they would cook.

The sun radiates a great deal of heat through about 93,000,000 miles of near vacuum. The radiation of heat does not require a medium.

 

[JacksBratt]

This whole flat earth conspiracy nonsense is getting ridiculous. Ask yourself what would be the point in lying? Do you seriously think there's some global conspiracy involving millions of people?

Think astronauts are lying? Think it's an American conspiracy, then explain why astronauts of other nations to visit space also don't claim it's flat.

Think even private companies are lying?

Think every other observable planetary body is spherical but earth is somehow an exception?

Come on. The god you believe in supposedly made us better than this otherwise we may as well be the beasts of the land and he subjects of something else if all we're going to so is squander our intelligence in favour of ignorance and anti-intellectual nonsense like this.

Ask yourself.... if you were going to present a model that could have just formed on it's own, evolved all the creatures, was just one of a million bodies orbiting around in a huge universe, with the hope of other planets just like ours with other life and more intelligent life... a small insignificant spec...

Which model would you use?

If you wanted a model that was special, single created world, watched continually by it's creator, who loved you... you as the creatures that He created to live forever with Him in fellowship and worship//


WHich model would you create?

 

[JackRT]

Ask yourself.... if you were going to present a model that could have just formed on it's own, evolved all the creatures, was just one of a million bodies orbiting around in a huge universe, with the hope of other planets just like ours with other life and more intelligent life... a small insignificant spec...

Which model would you use?

If you wanted a model that was special, single created world, watched continually by it's creator, who loved you... you as the creatures that He created to live forever with Him in fellowship and worship//


WHich model would you create?

The one that conformed with reality.

 

[JacksBratt]

The sun radiates a great deal of heat through about 93,000,000 miles of near vacuum. The radiation of heat does not require a medium.

To remove heat from something... you need a medium to carry it away... Sure, the suns radiant heat will warm any solid object that it contacts... but if you want your A/C unit to work.. it needs a constant flow of cool air rushing past to transfer the heat to and carry it away.

If the sun is heating every thing it touches, up to 250 degrees Fahrenheit or more... then these same cooling fins are not going to be able to release their energy..they will just keep heating up more themselves....

 

[JackRT]

To remove heat from something... you need a medium to carry it away... Sure, the suns radiant heat will warm any solid object that it contacts... but if you want your A/C unit to work.. it needs a constant flow of cool air rushing past to transfer the heat to and carry it away.

If the sun is heating every thing it touches, up to 250 degrees Fahrenheit or more... then these same cooling fins are not going to be able to release their energy..they will just keep heating up more themselves....

You really need to learn a little physics.

 

[JacksBratt]

The one that conformed with reality.

Reality..... ya.... either one could be reality. Nobody can prove either model is reality.

I have seen too far for the globe to be as small as they say. I have seen very high altitude pictures with no curve. I have also seen very high altitude videos and pictures with the same curve at many miles of altitude as they had when they were on the ground due to the dreaded fish eye lens.
Why will they not ditch their coveted fish eye lenses? Why is it only the amateurs that have the fortitude to do this? One video, uncut, from ground to very high altitudes with normal lenses and no evidence of detectable curve.

Anyway. this was about the suits that they use... if they are a hoax... the house of cards comes down.

 

[JacksBratt]

You really need to learn a little physics.

I know physics. I'm not a PhD but I do know that if you are in a room and it is 250 degrees in their and you have an A/C unit in the room... the heat needs to go somewhere in order for it to cool you down.

That is why we put them outside (central air) or in a window.

On the moon.. they are in the room.

 

[Jon Osterman]

Just when I think the anti-science threads on this site can't get any stupider, you guys up your game and prove me wrong. Well done!

 

[USincognito]

The sun radiates a great deal of heat through about 93,000,000 miles of near vacuum. The radiation of heat does not require a medium.

One would think that one wouldn't need to explain that it's infrared energy (aka light) from the sun that is warming the earth, but we are talking about people who think the earth is flat so...

 

[JacksBratt]

One would think that one wouldn't need to explain that it's infrared energy (aka light) from the sun that is warming the earth, but we are talking about people who think the earth is flat so...

Where the heat is coming from is not the issue... Where you are going to move it to, in order to move it out of your suit... that is the problem.

Basically, you are standing in a pot of boiling water and telling me that your suit is going to radiate out into the boiling water. Problem is.. the boiling water is space, a vacuum with no physical medium to carry the heat away.

The heat may be moved to the outside of your suit but what then? There is nothing, literally nothing to transfer the heat to in order for it to go away.

Thing is... this is going to be the same problem inside the Lunar lander.... You cannot remove heat if you have no method or medium to transfer it to, as a vehicle to remove it.

The heat in a car engine is transferred to the coolant. The coolant transfers it to the air ( which has mass... it has a medium... it has nitrogen, oxygen, and moisture. These three things have mass and they accept the heat energy and carry it away.... effectively cooling the coolant.. which can then go back into the engine and pick up more heat.

This is impossible if there is no mass to accept the heat and carry it away. Space has no mass. No medium to accept the heat energy....

 

[JackRT]

Light and heat are both forms of electromagnetic radiation. A medium is not needed. That is simple Physics 101.

 

[majj27]

Convection ≠ Radiation ≠ Circulation.

It helps if you don't try to compare apples and studebakers.

 

[USincognito]

The heat may be moved to the outside of your suit but what then? There is nothing, literally nothing to transfer the heat to in order for it to go away.

The heat just dissipates into space. That's the case whether they're on the moon or working on the ISS. The heating and cooling system basically moves water around to cool body parts that are warm and warm those that are cool and any excess heat is vented to dissipate. You don't need atmosphere to radiate heat as the sun shows.

Thing is... this is going to be the same problem inside the Lunar lander.... You cannot remove heat if you have no method or medium to transfer it to, as a vehicle to remove it.

The heat in a car engine is transferred to the coolant. The coolant transfers it to the air ( which has mass... it has a medium... it has nitrogen, oxygen, and moisture. These three things have mass and they accept the heat energy and carry it away.... effectively cooling the coolant.. which can then go back into the engine and pick up more heat.

Umm, you know the landers were batter powered, right? That they weren't internal combustion engines generating heat, right?

 

[Halbhh]

The stars at night rotate about the North Star.

 

[Halbhh]

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The stars at night rotate about the North Star.

As you travel further south, Polaris (the North Star) is lower to the horizon.

The position of the North Star in the sky -- height above the horizon -- depends on how far north or south you are, latitude.

This fits a rotating spherical Earth.

 

[USincognito]

The stars at night rotate about the North Star.

As you travel further south, Polaris (the North Star) is lower to the horizon.

Until it completely disappears.

And then there's this, where the moon is "upside down" in the Antipodes.

 

[Halbhh]

Until it completely disappears.

And then there's this, where the moon is "upside down" in the Antipodes.
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In these 2 photos, the moon is near the horizon, this means for any such photo it's either rising in the East and the side near the horizon is near the eastern horizon or It's setting in the West (early morning) and the side near the horizon is near the western horizon. But we see the moon is appearing rotated 90 degrees in one photo compared to the other. It's possible to replicate many celestial phenomena with an alternative geometry of a flat earth and no sense of distance being totally obvious (to the eye without a telescope), but...not stellar parallax, which depends on the geometry of Earth orbiting the sun. But i suppose their conspiracy theory will ignore such clear evidence.

 

[Halbhh]

Hmmm... A flat Earth would not only have one problem to fix about poles though when trying to map their invention. The U.S. has a South Pole station, with a telescope. The south polar rotation point is directly overhead then for that telescope. Wonder if we can find helpful photos from this. I fear the conspiracy theory might take over if we show those though.

 

[Halbhh]

Until it completely disappears.

And then there's this, where the moon is "upside down" in the Antipodes.
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Considering post 57 re seeing a moon imagined (a flat Earth version of lunar movement) as traveling in a large circle (like a fast high blimp)..... What then of the fact that such a relatively near to Earth moon would show different sides-faces to observers simultaneously photographing it who were widely separated on that flat Earth, instead of the same face rotated which in fact simultaneous photos show of the real moon. .

Ah! From Earth we only ever see the same face!

Did i find a 'nail in the coffin' for flat Earth? Hah hah. They are inventive so it will be interesting if this one was explained away.

 

[JacksBratt]

Considering post 57 re seeing a moon imagined (a flat Earth version of lunar movement) as traveling in a large circle (like a fast high blimp)..... What then of the fact that such a relatively near to Earth moon would show different sides-faces to observers simultaneously photographing it who were widely separated on that flat Earth, instead of the same face rotated which in fact simultaneous photos show of the real moon. .

Ah! From Earth we only ever see the same face!

Did i find a 'nail in the coffin' for flat Earth? Hah hah. They are inventive so it will be interesting if this one was explained away.

Maybe start a thread about the moon and it's view on a Globe or FE model.

I'm sure you will get your answer there.

This thread was to present the fact that the space suits used by NASA have been questioned as to their integrity.

The video presenter has asked for some tests and believes that they will not stand up in a vacuum.