For the "Don't judge me crowd".

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This restriction/ training/ instruction
is not restricted to believers in Scripture, nor in life.

When it is neglected with children, the children "know" it, and may grow up with foolishness still in their hearts, suffering greatly for lack of discipline and truth.
When it is neglected with older ones, they often continue without correction, in errors that may cost them and others their lives.
You are right that there are times when it is good to rebuke others who are not believers. Being a boss or a teacher, or a judge, would be three roles where that is appropriate for example. I just don't think it is wise to go around rebuking here and there in general,randomly. We know many simply don't have our values and will only be resentful. I've seen that over and over.

As in all things we need to be Holy Spirit led and to learn the difference between being judgmental and critical and trying to correct in love.
 
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Like I said before, there's a right way and a wrong way and right time and a wrong time to bring to someone's attention if they are sinning. Do it right and do it with love. Lord I hope someone corrects me when I sin and not let just keep on sinning.
 
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We all are sinners and fall short of the glory of God. I believe all Christians should be holding all Christians accountable for thier actions. Thats what those 3 verses I posted in my first post (to me) mean. As for non Christians, well you can try and tell them, but be prepared for repercussions and back talk.....or maybe just maybe one might listen.
 
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Yes, we are called to make people aware of their sins- the prohibition against judging seems to be about either pronouncing someone's eternal fate, or judging their sins too harshly (since we don't know their heart- if I, as a Christian, am guilty of gluttony, I can be judged more harshly than a non-Christian because they may not know that it's wrong).
 
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3 for the don't judge me crowd.
Isaiah 58:1
James 5:20
Matthew 18:15
I'm/we/some are not judging you, God is. We are doing what he told us to do. To call people out as sinners. And try to get them to repent. But there is a right way and a wrong way. It must be done in love!

Then you better call your self out then.

The reason Jesus said to remove your own log in your eye is because he wanted every one to understand they all also have sin and are blind.

I agree we need to try to make each other better.

But Judgment is not the way.
 
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The world says don't judge me. I laugh at that . Christian brothers and sisters say thank you for correcting me.

I've had Christian's correct me with malice and that resulted in me leaving the church for a time. People don't realize the effect their words have...

Also people doing the ," correcting" need to judge their own motives and make sure the correction isn't coming from a hateful place. People love to be like Jesus when it comes to turning over tables and making a whip to drive people out... But when it comes to submitting to people and letting them hit them or turn the other cheek. They check out.

And one last thing. Make sure your life is fully together before you " correct" someone.
Because your post wasn't love.

Telling someone to just leave isn't love.
That's your human nature showing.
 
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I've had Christian's correct me with malice and that resulted in me leaving the church for a time. People don't realize the effect their words have...

Also people doing the ," correcting" need to judge their own motives and make sure the correction isn't coming from a hateful place. People love to be like Jesus when it comes to turning over tables and making a whip to drive people out... But when it comes to submitting to people and letting them hit them or turn the other cheek. They check out.

And one last thing. Make sure your life is fully together before you " correct" someone.
Because your post wasn't love.

Telling someone to just leave isn't love.
That's your human nature showing.

How is his post not in love? Are you judging him for judging others? Being a hypocrite?
 
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QUOTE="Far Side Of the Moon, post: 72689143, member: 385517"]I've had Christian's correct me with malice and that resulted in me leaving the church for a time. People don't realize the effect their words have...

Also people doing the ," correcting" need to judge their own motives and make sure the correction isn't coming from a hateful place. People love to be like Jesus when it comes to turning over tables and making a whip to drive people out... But when it comes to submitting to people and letting them hit them or turn the other cheek. They check out.

And one last thing. Make sure your life is fully together before you " correct" someone.
Because your post wasn't love.

Telling someone to just leave isn't love.
That's your human nature showing
.[/QUOTE

Do you want to know and to understand what Yahweh Says ,
to have His Understanding of His Word ?
 
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I can be judged more harshly than a non-Christian because they may not know that it's wrong).
How can ANY judgment of you , if you are saved (expecting you are),
be
more harsh than the eternal judgment, death, for the one in unbelief?
 
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. In other words, those who go around trying to "set people straight" sometimes are having the exact opposite effect.

Totally agree. I remember harboring anger towards God because of how I was treated. So that method isn't effective.
 
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QUOTE="Far Side Of the Moon, post: 72689143, member: 385517"]I've had Christian's correct me with malice and that resulted in me leaving the church for a time. People don't realize the effect their words have...

Also people doing the ," correcting" need to judge their own motives and make sure the correction isn't coming from a hateful place. People love to be like Jesus when it comes to turning over tables and making a whip to drive people out... But when it comes to submitting to people and letting them hit them or turn the other cheek. They check out.

And one last thing. Make sure your life is fully together before you " correct" someone.
Because your post wasn't love.

Telling someone to just leave isn't love.
That's your human nature showing
.[/QUOTE

Do you want to know and to understand what Yahweh Says ,
to have His Understanding of His Word ?
No that's not it. I did and that's why I kept accepting the " correction" until I finally realized it was wrong and that It's very possible to be corrected in love.
 
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No that's not it. I did and that's why I kept accepting the " correction" until I finally realized it was wrong and that It's very possible to be corrected in love.
Do you want to know and to understand what Yahweh Says ,
to have His Understanding of His Word ?
 
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Consider this,
answer if you can,
who was the best known one going around trying to "set people straight" ?
Hey, are you making an implication about me? If so, are you trying to set me straight about setting people straight? (Not that you, yourself, ever try to set people straight, ahem! ;) ) Well, if I am too harsh, you can say so. I do get hyper if I feel others are being attacked, or not getting fair treatment in some way. That happens on a Christian website though where it is assumed the posters are believers.
 
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Consider this,
answer if you can,
who was the best known one going around trying to "set people straight" ?

Hey, are you making an implication about me? If so, are you trying to set me straight about setting people straight? (Not that you, yourself, ever try to set people straight, ahem! ;) ) Well, if I am too harsh, you can say so. I do get hyper if I feel others are being attacked, or not getting fair treatment in some way. That happens on a Christian website though where it is assumed the posters are believers.
As far as I know, you are not even well known,
let alone the best known one.
So, repeating,
Consider this,answer if you can,who was the best known one going around trying to "set people straight" ?
 
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Like calling someone a glutton because he is fat and then he gets upset and starts to insist that he isn't a glutton and then calls you judgemental for making the assumption. If he wasn't a glutton, he would've not gotten so upset. There's a difference between laughing at someone and getting seriously offended when someone calls you out. I am talking about the offended people.

Because you see an overweight person, you call them a glutton. You don’t see anything else.

You don’t know if last year they were 390 pounds, this year they are 290, and next year they will be 190.

You don't know if illness or injury that they suffered, or maybe are suffering, that is contributing to their weight.

You don’t know if they just had a baby.

You don’t know anything beyond what you see, and what you don’t know (paired with your own shortcomings) is why one should be very careful using the name of God to execute a judgment.

My close girlfriend used to be a professional bodybuilder. She won national awards and was in major, mainstream magazines. She went skiing on the Bunny Slope, took a small jump, landed in a position she had a 1 in a million chance of landing in, broke her back. She was airlifted out, in the hospital for 3 months, told she’d never walk again or have useful control of the right side of her body. She was bound to a wheelchair for 2 years and now by a miracle she can walk, sometimes unassisted, sometimes with a walker, though she’s in persistent agony from muscle atrophy on her right side. Two and half years of being wheelchair and bed-bound, paired with her extremely limited mobility and pain has robbed her of her award-winning physique, but she doesn’t care because she was rewarded with the gift of walking when she was told she couldn’t.

What a heartbreak it would be to confront this woman who is a walking, talking, living proof of God’s grace and call her a glutton because all you see is she is 5 foot 4 and weighs 250 pounds and needs a walker. It would be looking God’s evidence of miracles in the eyes and calling it a sin.

We all are called to make choices, some of what we are called to do is different from others, but I would rather explain why I didn’t confront a sin because my faith in God is that God will reach them how they can be found, than why I judged someone falsely of sin and invoked the name of God in the process.

ETA: she is outspoken about how this injury brought her to better understand herself and God and broke her of two sins she didn’t realized how badly they’d consumed her... Ego and vanity. Her injury taught her what true strength was vs superficial strength on a stage, and true taking care of your body vs extreme tricks to get you through a contest. What you would see as an indulgence of sin, she actually had as her path away from it, to a healthier life and closer relationship with God.
 
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Because you see an overweight person, you call them a glutton. You don’t see anything else.

You don’t know if last year they were 390 pounds, this year they are 290, and next year they will be 190.

You don't know if illness or injury that they suffered, or maybe are suffering, that is contributing to their weight.

You don’t know if they just had a baby.

You don’t know anything beyond what you see, and what you don’t know (paired with your own shortcomings) is why one should be very careful using the name of God to execute a judgment.

My close girlfriend used to be a professional bodybuilder. She won national awards and was in major, mainstream magazines. She went skiing on the Bunny Slope, took a small jump, landed in a position she had a 1 in a million chance of landing in, broke her back. She was airlifted out, in the hospital for 3 months, told she’d never walk again or have useful control of the right side of her body. She was bound to a wheelchair for 2 years and now by a miracle she can walk, sometimes unassisted, sometimes with a walker, though she’s in persistent agony from muscle atrophy on her right side. Two and half years of being wheelchair and bed-bound, paired with her extremely limited mobility and pain has robbed her of her award-winning physique, but she doesn’t care because she was rewarded with the gift of walking when she was told she couldn’t.

What a heartbreak it would be to confront this woman who is a walking, talking, living proof of God’s grace and call her a glutton because all you see is she is 5 foot 4 and weighs 250 pounds and needs a walker. It would be looking God’s evidence of miracles in the eyes and calling it a sin.

We all are called to make choices, some of what we are called to do is different from others, but I would rather explain why I didn’t confront a sin because my faith in God is that God will reach them how they can be found, than why I judged someone falsely of sin and invoked the name of God in the process.

Like I said before, this was only an example of how people get defensive. People get very defensive when you call them out on eating too much even if it may be true. That was the only point I was making. I was not condoning of walking around calling people a glutton. That was not the intention of my post. I should've came up with a different example since this seems to tick off a lot of people.

If you come to an addict of ANY KIND and you tell them that they are addicted. A lot of them will deny it and get offended. Is that example better?
 
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