Seat of Moses ?

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You can see the same five narrow windows from the exterior view as the interior view.

You may be thinking of the Belz Great Synogogue (Israel's largest Hasidic synogogue) supposedly the largest synagogue in the world. This is an interior view ...

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No, it was the Jerusalem Great Synagogue, in King George Street, that I've been to - the one with the very large Tree of Life stained glass window. Your picture may have been when it was new (I first saw it when it was two years old), or maybe it was all lit up for a special event. 18 months ago, when I was last there, the interior was drab, the outside had paint peeling off above the entrance, there was no one there to welcome visitors, even though we phoned to say we were coming, as we were asked to do, there was not even a leaflet about it for visitors to take. I did like the mezuzah museum just in the entrance, but the rest was looking tired and dim.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I know whats written in 1 Peter about the priesthood but wouldn't the oldest continuous priesthood now be the Catholics?

By definition it would be the Eastern Orthodox...

 

[Open Heart]

All HE tells you (ie Moshe/Torah) is in a MS of Hebrew Matthew

Are you serious? Moshe tells me to separate linen from wool. Where is that in Matthew?

 

[Mercymessianicjudiasm]

Are you serious? Moshe tells me to separate linen from wool. Where is that in Matthew?

Moses never said to separate or "divorce" linen from wool, but he said not to wear clothes that linen and wool are woven together (Deuteronomy 22:11). Of course a donkey and ox should not become "unequally" yoked together. I don't know any wise farmers that would yoke together an ox and donkey. An ox is used primarily for the purpose of plowing, donkey for travel.

 

[Open Heart]

Moses never said to separate or "divorce" linen from wool, but he said not to wear clothes that linen and wool are woven together (Deuteronomy 22:11).

Nothing about this in Matthew, is there.

 

[Dkh587]

All HE tells you (ie Moshe/Torah) is in a MS of Hebrew Matthew

I have seen that before - I do not necessarily accept everything in the Hebrew manuscript of Matthew, but in context of all that Messiah taught us about the Pharisees, it makes sense

He warned us about their hypocrisy and rebuked them constantly for their traditions, and how they voided the commands of God via their traditions.

Why would he then command us to obey everything they teach?

Simply put, he's saying to obey Moses and don't follow after the hypocritical example of the scribes & Pharisees. They say, but they don't do. Either way the verse is translated, I still accept Messiah teaching us to obey Torah.

 

[Mercymessianicjudiasm]

I have seen that before - I do not necessarily accept everything in the Hebrew manuscript of Matthew, but in context of all that Messiah taught us about the Pharisees, it makes sense

He warned us about their hypocrisy and rebuked them constantly for their traditions, and how they voided the commands of God via their traditions.

Why would he then command us to obey everything they teach?

Simply put, he's saying to obey Moses and don't follow after the hypocritical example of the scribes & Pharisees. They say, but they don't do. Either way the verse is translated, I still accept Messiah teaching us to obey Torah.

Absolutely! Yeshua is mocking the hypocrites through sarcasm. The Pharisees don't practice their own teachings, why should we? Yeshua warned about the "leaven" added to Torah from the hypocrites (Matthew 16:16); leaven added to holy bread causes it to become "puffed up" or rise. Moses taught us to eat "unleaven bread".

 

[ralliann]

I know whats written in 1 Peter about the priesthood but wouldn't the oldest continuous priesthood now be the Catholics?

If you mean by "Catholics" all the historic Churches...
Coptic, Greek orthodox, eastern orthodox, yes I think so.

 

[ralliann]

So Jesus changed his mind?!

HUH? I was asked about modern day Israel. Israel today is not a theocratic government.

 

[ralliann]

I have seen that before - I do not necessarily accept everything in the Hebrew manuscript of Matthew, but in context of all that Messiah taught us about the Pharisees, it makes sense

He warned us about their hypocrisy and rebuked them constantly for their traditions, and how they voided the commands of God via their traditions.

Why would he then command us to obey everything they teach?

Simply put, he's saying to obey Moses and don't follow after the hypocritical example of the scribes & Pharisees. They say, but they don't do. Either way the verse is translated, I still accept Messiah teaching us to obey Torah.

He taught Jew's to obey the whole Torah. He was not speaking to Gentiles in the Gospels. Basically, he did not tell them to stop going to the temple anymore.

 

[Mercymessianicjudiasm]

He taught Jew's to obey the whole Torah. He was not speaking to Gentiles in the Gospels. Basically, he did not tell them to stop going to the temple anymore.

Did Yeshua ever say my teaching is only for Jews? What about the Samaritan? The neighbor?

 

[visionary]

I know whats written in 1 Peter about the priesthood but wouldn't the oldest continuous priesthood now be the Catholics?

What has that got to do with the priesthood of Levites?

 

[ralliann]

Did Yeshua ever say my teaching is only for Jews? What about the Samaritan? The neighbor?

Did Yeshua ever say my teaching is only for Jews? What about the Samaritan? The neighbor?

The Samaritans considered themselves Jew's

 

[chunkofcoal]

What has that got to do with the priesthood of Levites?

You will have to ask "ralliann". My question was about what she said- "My thoughts on this.....What the Gospels are is a witness. For those which believe the witness then the rulers in the law were exposed as unjust judges. Therefore their decisions were not binding, and disqualified as Judges.. . Binding and loosing was given to the priesthood of Christ."

 

[visionary]

You will have to ask "ralliann". My question was about what she said- "My thoughts on this.....What the Gospels are is a witness. For those which believe the witness then the rulers in the law were exposed as unjust judges. Therefore their decisions were not binding, and disqualified as Judges.. . Binding and loosing was given to the priesthood of Christ."

The priesthood of Christ is not found in the catholic group. That is an off off off off off off off shoot far from the truth group.

 

[Open Heart]

I have seen that before - I do not necessarily accept everything in the Hebrew manuscript of Matthew

Good, since any Hebrew text of Matthew that we have today is a translation from the Greek, making it inferior.

 

[ralliann]

The priesthood of Christ is not found in the catholic group. That is an off off off off off off off shoot far from the truth group.

Well they all were one church early on.

 

[pat34lee]

You don't think they had power over religious matters? Do you mean judgements from Torah?

Any matter of legal dispute that goes to a judge.
In Israel, that included Torah judgments, but only
where it was a legal matter. Like all judges, they
didn't have unlimited jurisdiction or power.

 

[pat34lee]

Jesus places them over pilate. Religious over legal matters.
John's Gospel
Jesus answered him, “You would have no power over me unless it had been given you from above; therefore the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin.”

I hope you aren't taking 'from above' to mean
the Pharisees. They handed him over, but Yah
gives power to rulers.

 

[pat34lee]

Mattityahu 23:2-3
2 The Pharisees and the teachers of the Law are experts in the Law of Moshe.
3 So obey everything they teach you, but don’t do as they do. After all, they
say one thing and do something else.​

Yeshua is saying to obey them because they are experts in the Law of Moshe, but then Yeshua goes on to say that they themselves are hypocrites because they don't do what they tell others to do. Hypocrisy by the Pharisees and teachers of the Law breeds more hypocrisy by the people. The blind leading the blind refers to the Pharisees and the teachers setting a poor example ... thereby blinding the people and leading them astray.

I don't know that bible version, but he never said to obey
them because they were experts. He said to obey because
they sat in Moses' seat. Whatever they were personally, the
people recognized their authority to judge. Yeshua wasn't
here to sow confusion or start a rebellion, which is what
happens when you tell people to ignore Yah-given authority.

We see that today in the USA, thanks to those trying to
topple the government by taking down the legally elected
President of the country. I honestly expect them to turn to
more violence once they realize that he will never be forced
to resign and he will not be impeached.