Can you “ KNOW “ that you are saved ?

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( 10 ) : ” CAN YOU KNOW THAT YOU ARE SAVED ? “
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You hear people all the time, with great spiritual pride , say that they KNOW that they are saved with no doubts whatsoever , and that if you have any doubts , there is something wrong with your faith ! Well is it possible to know that you are saved without any doubts whatsoever ! The bible says that we are saved by grace through faith : EPHESIANS 2 ( 8 ) : ” For by grace are ye saved THROUGH FAITH ! ” Well just what exactly is faith ? : The bible’s definition : HEBREWS 11 ( 1 ) : ” Now faith is the substance of THINGS HOPED FOR , the evidence of THINGS NOT SEEN . ” So FAITH IS HOPING for something that we as yet CANNOT SEE , but we are believing that it will be , without any actual visual physical evidence of it, but only the evidence of THINGS NOT SEEN , which of course is not real evidence : So we ultimately have ONLY HOPE ! : ROMANS 8 ( 24&25 ) : 24 : ” FOR WE ARE SAVED BY HOPE , BUT HOPE THAT IS SEEN IS NOT HOPE , FOR WHAT A MAN SEETH WHY DOTH HE YET HOPE FOR IT ? ” 25 : ” BUT IF WE HOPE FOR THAT WE SEE NOT , THEN DO WE WITH PATIENCE ” WAIT FOR IT ” : OBVIOUSY HOPING IS NOT KNOWING ! For example : Did the great Saints of God all through history know that they were saved , or did they also have to operate by faith , hoping and believing that they would be saved at some future time , without any real present visible proof : HEBREWS 11 ( 13 , 27 , & 39 ) : 13 : ” These all died in faith , NOT HAVING RECEIVED THE PROMISES , but having seen them afar off , and were persuaded of them . ” 27 : ” BY FAITH he forsook Egypt , not fearing the wrath of the king , for he endured as SEEING HIM WHO IS INVISIBLE . ” 39 : ” And these all , having obtained a good report through faith RECEIVED NOT THE PROMISE . ” None of these great men of God received the promises , right unto their deaths , but OPERATED SOLELY ON HOPE AND BELIEF of things they believed would come : THEY DID NOT KNOW : THEY BELIEVED ! If we had absolute present visual proof of our salvation , it would be no big accomplishment to stick with the Lord, anybody could do that : But the fact that we only have hope makes it far more difficult to hang in there with the Lord to the end , like brother Paul says 1 TIMOTHY 6 ( 12 ) : ” Fight the good FIGHT OF FAITH . ” and 2 TIMOTHY 4 ( 7 ) : ” I have fought a good fight , I have finished my course , I have KEPT THE FAITH ! ” HE DIDN’T KNOW FOR SURE WITHOUT DOUBT , as he says : HE HAD TO FIGHT ALL THE WAY TO KEEP HIS FAITH , his belief , fight against the doubts , and he kept his faith with only hope : THE SAME HOPE THAT WE ALL HAVE TO SUSTAIN OUR FAITH : HEBREWS 6 ( 18&19 ) : 18 : ” To lay hold upon THE HOPE set before us , ” 19 : ” WHICH HOPE WE HAVE AS AN ANCHOR OF THE SOUL . ” Is there anything that we can do to increase and strengthen our faith ? : ROMANS 10 ( 17 ) : ” Faith cometh by hearing , and hearing by the word of God ” If we study the word of God and read where all God’s true people also had to operate by hope and faith alone : This strengthens our faith also ! Of course there are many who teach the false teaching that we are saved here and now , but the Bible says : 1 PETER 1 ( 13 ) : ” Hope to the end for the grace that IS TO BE BROUGHT UNTO YOU AT THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST ” : NOT NOW ! and 1 PETER 1 ( 9 ) : ” Receiving THE END OF YOUR FAITH even the salvation of your souls . ” : NOT NOW BUT AT THE END OF YOUR FAITH ! Further scriptural evidence that our salvation is not by knowing but only by hope : TITUS 1 ( 2 ) : ” In HOPE of eternal life . ” and TITUS 2 ( 13 ) : ” The HOPE of eternal life . ” and 1 THESSALONIANS 5 ( 8 ) : ‘ For an helmet the HOPE of salvation . ” There is only one verse that seems to say that we can know that we have eternal life and this is of course 1 JOHN 5 ( 13 ) : ” That you may know that you have eternal life . ” Yet this same brother two chapters earlier in 1 JOHN 3 ( 2 ) says that we can know that we shall be like God , but in the very next verse , talking about the same thing says : that WE ONLY HAVE A HOPE OF THIS : 1 JOHN 3 ( 2&3 ) : 2 : ” We know that when he shall appear , we shall be like him . ” 3 : ” And every man that hath this HOPE in him purifieth himself . ” So we can see that when John says we can know something he actually means THAT WE HAVE THIS HOPE ! So applying this understanding to 1 JOHN 5 ( 13 ) , when he says that we may know that we have eternal life , this would mean that we actually only have a hope of this as he said in 1 JOHN 3 ( 3 ) . The fact that the rest of the scriptures all say that we have only hope clarifies what exactly 1 JOHN 5 ( 13 ) really means , and it is a widely misunderstood verse which those that are unlearned and unstable wrest, 2 PETER 3 ( 16 ) . So the answer to the opening question of this study would be : NO WE CANNOT KNOW THAT WE ARE SAVED HERE AND NOW , BUT WE HAVE TO OPERATE AS ALL GOD’S PEOPLE THROUGH HISTORY HAVE OPERATED , BY FAITH , WHICH IS ONLY HOPE OF SOME FUTURE THING , WHICH AT PRESENT WE CANNOT VISUALLY SEE , SO WE HAVE TO FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT OF FAITH , BELIEF TO THE END OF OUR TIME HERE, AFTER WHICH IF WE KEEP THE FAITH , THEN WE WILL RECEIVE THE PROMISE : THIS IS ALL BY FAITH : NOT KNOWING : BUT FAITH !
 

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1 John 5:13 King James Version (KJV)

13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
 
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Wow. A lot of scripture which we need sometimes. But salvation was made to be the most uncomplicated thing one can do. Believe on Jesus Christ, accept him as Lord, know that he died for you as the eternal ransom and buried your sins in hell, and the one thing that will forever separate Him from the rest is that he defeated death and rose on the third day as prophets told of. No bones in his grave. Not a one.
 
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1 John 5:13 King James Version (KJV)

13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye mayd believe on the name of the Son of God.[/QUOT Addressed That already in the class : reread the class .
 
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You hear people all the time, with great spiritual pride , say that they KNOW that they are saved with no doubts whatsoever , and that if you have any doubts , there is something wrong with your faith ! Well is it possible to know that you are saved without any doubts whatsoever !
Sure you can know for sure. That is if you know for sure what it is that you believe in your heart.

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

The one person you cannot lie to is Lord Jesus. He knows your heart. Do you?
 
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God, alone, knows with 100% certainty whose names are written in the Book of Life and whose are not. For our part we simply proceed with trust, but also with a degree of fear and uncertainty while we work out our salvation with He who works in us. It's not supposed to be about perfect certainty. And how we live our lives and the fruits produced also play their roles in increasing our level of assuredness.
 
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I've heard this saying which I believe to be accurate: if you don't know with certainty that you're saved, you're not saved. Period.
I understand what you are saying but I know people who's only fault is being shy or easily persuaded by anybody elses opinion. I was unsure when I was younger because I was not a strong leader type. But as I got older my certainty gained strength. If you have accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, and you believe on him then His word is true and not a lie. John 3:16 puts no exceptions nor exclusions on the table. Believe = Saved. Not maybe. Not sort of. Not might have been if...,. And it is not revoked. If it is revoked then Jesus was a liar and the Bible is not the Word of God. But I know better because first I believed then I began to see God working in my life. As I got older my eyesight got worse but my vision became more clear.
 
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Bible says we are saved by faith : read the bibles definition of faith : Hebrews 11(1) : substance of things HOPED for is not knowing : it is hoping : See also Rom 8(24) : For we are saved by HOPE : not knowing : It appears you didn’t even read the class for all these verses are there and more : You know what the bible says about a man that answers a matter before he even hears it : It appears your mind as already made up and you don’t want to be confused with the facts : read the bible study .
 
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It doesn't make sense to me that people who believe on Jesus Christ don't know they're saved.

God cannot lie and promised eternal life (Titus 1:2) to all those that believe on Jesus Christ (Romans 10:9, Romans 10:13, Acts 16:31) and nothing could ever change that (Romans 8:38-39, John 5:24, John 6:47, John 10:27-28, Hebrews 13:5-6).

How can one read the Bible, believe on Jesus Christ, and be unsure they're saved? Our hope is in God, that he cannot lie, that he will never take away our salvation, that he is ever faithful and just to save us through his Son, and that our life will never end. Our hope lies in God's promise, but once we have said hope, we can know certainly that, because God cannot lie, we are saved forever based upon the hope we have in God's promise.
 
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I understand what you are saying but I know people who's only fault is being shy or easily persuaded by anybody elses opinion. I was unsure when I was younger because I was not a strong leader type. But as I got older my certainty gained strength. If you have accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, and you believe on him then His word is true and not a lie. John 3:16 puts no exceptions nor exclusions on the table. Believe = Saved. Not maybe. Not sort of. Not might have been if...,. And it is not revoked. If it is revoked then Jesus was a liar and the Bible is not the Word of God. But I know better because men of God first I believed then I began to see God working in my life. As I got older my eyesight got worse but my vision became more clear.
All the great men of God in Hebrews 11 died in faith , not having received the promises but were persuaded of them but were still in faith , not knowing : Are you placing yourself above these great men of God ?
 
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I understand what you are saying but I know people who's only fault is being shy or easily persuaded by anybody elses opinion. I was unsure when I was younger because I was not a strong leader type. But as I got older my certainty gained strength. If you have accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, and you believe on him then His word is true and not a lie. John 3:16 puts no exceptions nor exclusions on the table. Believe = Saved. Not maybe. Not sort of. Not might have been if...,. And it is not revoked. If it is revoked then Jesus was a liar and the Bible is not the Word of God. But I know better because first I believed then I began to see God working in my life. As I got older my eyesight got worse but my vision became more clear.
That makes sense, honestly.
 
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Bible says we are saved by faith : read the bibles definition of faith : Hebrews 11(1) : substance of things HOPED for is not knowing : it is hoping : See also Rom 8(24) : For we are saved by HOPE : not knowing : It appears you didn’t even read the class for all these verses are there and more : You know what the bible says about a man that answers a matter before he even hears it : It appears your mind as already made up and you don’t want to be confused with the facts : read the bible study .
You place your faith in Jesus Christ, and you can know based upon your own faith in the Lord Jesus whether you're saved or not according to the requirements listed in the Bible for salvation. Our faith is in the Lord, who cannot lie or go against his promise. If we know we have faith in the Lord, we know we are saved by the Lord. It's that simple.
 
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It doesn't make sense to me that people who believe on Jesus Christ don't know they're saved.

God cannot lie and promised eternal life (Titus 1:2) to all those that believe on Jesus Christ (Romans 10:9, Romans 10:13, Acts 16:31) and nothing could ever change that (Romans 8:38-39, John 5:24, John 6:47, John 10:27-28, Hebrews 13:5-6).

How can one read the Bible, believe on Jesus Christ, and be unsure they're saved? Our hope is in God, that he cannot lie, that he will never take away our salvation, that he is ever faithful and just to save us through his Son, and that our life will never end. Our hope lies in God's promise, but once we have said hope, we can know certainly that, because God cannot lie, we are saved forever based upon the hope we have in God's promise.
Again it’s by faith which is only hope not knowing : read the bible study : this is a classic example of false previous teaching totally blocking people from seeing the obvious crystal clear truth of the bible : we are saved by faith : faith is not knowing : it is faith : look up the bibles own definition of faith : Heb 11(1): Substance Of things hoped for : hope is not knowing : it is hope : that’s what the fight of faith is all about : because it’s not knowing but hope : Paul says he fought a good fight : but I guess you people are above Paul : You don’t have to fight because you already know : totally unscriptural : Rom 8(24) : Peace brothers and sisters .
 
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It doesn't make sense to me that people who believe on Jesus Christ don't know they're saved.

God cannot lie and promised eternal life (Titus 1:2) to all those that believe on Jesus Christ (Romans 10:9, Romans 10:13, Acts 16:31) and nothing could ever change that (Romans 8:38-39, John 5:24, John 6:47, John 10:27-28, Hebrews 13:5-6).

How can one read the Bible, believe on Jesus Christ, and be unsure they're saved? Our hope is in God, that he cannot lie, that he will never take away our salvation, that he is ever faithful and just to save us through his Son, and that our life will never end. Our hope lies in God's promise, but once we have said hope, we can know certainly that, because God cannot lie, we are saved forever based upon the hope we have in God's promise.
We are saved by faith which is hope not knowing Heb 11(1) And Rom 8(24): fight the good fight of faith : If we already knew there would be no need of a fight!
 
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Again it’s by faith which is only hope not knowing : read the bible study : this is a classic example of false previous teaching totally blocking people from seeing the obvious crystal clear truth of the bible : we are saved by faith : faith is not knowing : it is faith : look up the bibles own definition of faith : Heb 11(1): Substance Of things hoped for : hope is not knowing : it is hope : that’s what the fight of faith is all about : because it’s not knowing but hope : Paul says he fought a good fight : but I guess you people are above Paul : You don’t have to fight because you already know : totally unscriptural : Rom 8(24) : Peace brothers and sisters .
Good straw-man. I'm not sitting here saying that salvation is by anything other than grace through faith. But what I am saying is that if you know that you have faith (which I'm sure a person can know quite easily what is in their own heart), then you will know based upon what the Bible says about salvation, that you are indeed saved.
 
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We are saved by faith which is hope not knowing Heb 11(1) And Rom 8(24): fight the good fight of faith : If we already knew there would be no need of a fight!
I'm trying to do better at not arguing on this website, so I'm not going to reply any further to the strife that comes about with your forum posts, because quite frankly, it's never-ending contention that you cause.
 
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