COL 2:14-17 The REAL truth from God's Word

[listed]

It seems you are mixed up Bob as I have shared God's Word with you. Did you have anything from God's Word to share Bob or have the scriptures provided answered everything for you? Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another.

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

Yes Bob S and I are very mixed up because we believe all of God's Word including the Gospels, Acts and works of Paul. If you teach obligation to the law given to Israel you're teaching the traditions of men because that covenant is repealed and replaced.

 

[listed]

Now to all the lurkers that have been following this thread I would like to point you to the post that caused me to stop posting with LGW was #1849. The part in blue was the answer I got from LGW and He/she will not admit to error. This is what was written: "The transitory is from the tables of stone to the fleshly tables of the heart (2 Cor 3:3;Hebrews 8:10)"

Transitory means temporary. Substitute the word temporary in the statement and the statement goes like this:

The temporary is from the tables of stone to the fleshly tables of the heart.

2Cor 3:7-11 plainly states that the 10 commandments, the ministry of death, were (past tense) temporary. Then Paul goes on to tell us the 10 have been replaced by the Holy Spirit. It is the Holy Spirit that dwells in the fleshy part of the heart. Jesus called it the Comforter, Paul called it the Holy Spirit. The laws that the writer of Hebrews is referring to could not be the 10 commandments because they were temporary and a side note, the real truth is that they were also an incomplete set of rules. There are many more thou shalt nots, many of which are found in the New Testament. The greatest commands, the love commands that Jesus tells us, are not found in the 10 commandments, but in the book of the law. 1jn3:19-24 tells us we are of the truth if we believe in Jesus and love one another as He commanded us.

Wouldn't you think that what is written in the fleshy part of our hearts would include the greatest commands in all of scripture? Remember it is all about Jesus and not at all about which day or days you choose to worship Him. Jesus is enough, we surely do not need the works of the law that ended at Calvary. Well, the decision is yours to make. You have read the two sides. Chose this day....May God bless you all as you make your choice.

I would love to hear from you. Rite when u kan and keep lookin up, Jesus is coming again. Your friend in Christ our Savior and our real Friend, Bob

This Transitory idea is fully supported with Galatians 3:19.

 

[Bob S]

This Transitory idea is fully supported with Galatians 3:19.

Amen Listed.

 

[Joelthe vicious]

Being led (walking in) by the Spirit means we're not walking in the law. See Galatians 5:18 and Romans 8.

These Scriptures say the exact and direct opposite of what you try to tell yourself they say.

 

[Joelthe vicious]

It can't be because of the nature of the covenants. The other covenant called the OC is ans was a provisional covenant reliant on performance of both parties. Therefore if one party doesn't observe the covenant it's void. The NC is a one way covenant based solely on the performance of the Maker. It is only validated by acceptance of the 2d party.

God NEVER, made ‘another’, 'old', covenant. God, EVER made one Covenant, His, Covenant, the Ever New, ETERNAL Covenant of his grace. Which throughout the history of God's Salvation had TWO "dispensations", id est, "ministrations", that of before Christ, and that of since Christ.
The ministrations are usually mistaken for the Covenant, and from that, the laws of the administration of God's Covenant are mistaken for the Law of God's Covenant of grace its 'Law' exhibited and defined and IDENTIFIED by, in, through and BEING, Jesus Christ the Son of Man the Son of God, who is the reason "that whosoever believe in Him has, everlasting life" imprescriptively, unconditionally and inalienably!

 

[klutedavid]

God NEVER, made ‘another’, 'old', covenant. God, EVER made one Covenant, His, Covenant, the Ever New, ETERNAL Covenant of his grace. Which throughout the history of God's Salvation had TWO "dispensations", id est, "ministrations", that of before Christ, and that of since Christ.
The ministrations are usually mistaken for the Covenant, and from that, the laws of the administration of God's Covenant are mistaken for the Law of God's Covenant of grace its 'Law' exhibited and defined and IDENTIFIED by, in, through and BEING, Jesus Christ the Son of Man the Son of God, who is the reason "that whosoever believe in Him has, everlasting life" imprescriptively, unconditionally and inalienably!

Not sure if what you said is accurate.

There is certainly more than one covenant mentioned in the scripture.

Galatians 4
24 This is allegorically speaking, for these women are two covenants: one proceeding from Mount Sinai bearing children who are to be slaves; she is Hagar...

Paul declares two covenants!

 

[Joelthe vicious]

If you teach obligation to the law given to Israel you're teaching the traditions of men because that covenant is repealed and replaced.

If you teach obligation to the laws of the ministration of God's Law as given to Israel, you're teaching the traditions of men because that ministry with its laws, ordinances, ceremonies and whatever of God's Everlasting Covenant of grace was once for all repealed and replaced by Jesus Christ God's Word and Law in Person in the flesh by Resurrection from the dead, once, and for all whom He gave his Life for.

 

[Joelthe vicious]

Not sure if what you said is accurate.

There is certainly more than one covenant mentioned in the scripture.

Galatians 4
24 This is allegorically speaking, for these women are two covenants: one proceeding from Mount Sinai bearing children who are to be slaves; she is Hagar...

Paul declares two covenants!

Yes, in this place specifically the two major in bondage HUMAN covenants on earth. "BUT JERUSALEM ABOVE, IS FREE!"

 

[listed]

These Scriptures say the exact and direct opposite of what you try to tell yourself they say.

Please explain.

 

[listed]

God NEVER, made ‘another’, 'old', covenant. God, EVER made one Covenant, His, Covenant, the Ever New, ETERNAL Covenant of his grace. Which throughout the history of God's Salvation had TWO "dispensations", id est, "ministrations", that of before Christ, and that of since Christ.
The ministrations are usually mistaken for the Covenant, and from that, the laws of the administration of God's Covenant are mistaken for the Law of God's Covenant of grace its 'Law' exhibited and defined and IDENTIFIED by, in, through and BEING, Jesus Christ the Son of Man the Son of God, who is the reason "that whosoever believe in Him has, everlasting life" imprescriptively, unconditionally and inalienably!

That's rather odd. I have dictionaries and other Bible study aides besides (American) English is my first language.

 

[listed]

If you teach obligation to the laws of the ministration of God's Law as given to Israel, you're teaching the traditions of men because that ministry with its laws, ordinances, ceremonies and whatever of God's Everlasting Covenant of grace was once for all repealed and replaced by Jesus Christ God's Word and Law in Person in the flesh by Resurrection from the dead, once, and for all whom He gave his Life for.

First I don't teach your "if" as you imply. Secondly were was grace repealed? I find it is still offered.

 

[listed]

Yes, in this place specifically the two major in bondage HUMAN covenants on earth. "BUT JERUSALEM ABOVE, IS FREE!"

You're way passed amazing with your statements.

 

[listed]

No; he did not! Although it is, that's NOT what Paul wrote!

Your proof is....

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Asleep Sabbath legalists, WAKE UP! By the way, the moment I stop posting, THIS THREAD FALLS DOWN DEAD!

Well that is not true. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another. You have not provided any posts that support your tradition.

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[Dig4truth]

Even Yeshua said;

15 “Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), 16 then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains. 17 Whoever is on the housetop must not go down to get the things out that are in his house. 18 Whoever is in the field must not turn back to get his cloak. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath. 21 For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will. Mat 24


Why would Yeshua say such a thing if the Sabbath was not still one of His commands? This is also clearly in the end times!

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Even Yeshua said;

15 “Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), 16 then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains. 17 Whoever is on the housetop must not go down to get the things out that are in his house. 18 Whoever is in the field must not turn back to get his cloak. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath. 21 For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will. Mat 24


Why would Yeshua say such a thing if the Sabbath was not still one of His commands? This is also clearly in the end times!

Great point D4T. Actually the ABOMINATION of DESOLATION is also a great study topic and well worth the time. Nice to see you again

 

[klutedavid]

Well that is not true. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another. You have not provided any posts that support your tradition.

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

................

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

What has Sunday worship go to do with a rest day from work?

I do not see the connection you are making between these two days?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

What has Sunday worship go to do with a rest day from work? I do not see the connection you are making between these two days?

It is the same connection that God's people have who by FAITH that works by LOVE do not lie, steal, murder or commit adultery ....

 

[klutedavid]

Even Yeshua said;

15 “Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), 16 then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains. 17 Whoever is on the housetop must not go down to get the things out that are in his house. 18 Whoever is in the field must not turn back to get his cloak. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath. 21 For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will. Mat 24


Why would Yeshua say such a thing if the Sabbath was not still one of His commands? This is also clearly in the end times!

This event has already occurred, you can read the same event in Luke 21.

Why do people always quote from Matthew 24 and ignore Luke 21?

Luke 21
24 and they will fall by the edge of the sword, and will be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled under foot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

We are now in the era of the Gentiles, Jerusalem was sacked and the temple destroyed, two thousand years ago.

 

[Dig4truth]

This event has already occurred, you can read the same event in Luke 21.

Why do people always quote from Matthew 24 and ignore Luke 21?

Luke 21
24 and they will fall by the edge of the sword, and will be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled under foot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

We are now in the era of the Gentiles, Jerusalem was sacked and the temple destroyed, two thousand years ago.

Luke 21:25 “There will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth dismay among nations, in perplexity at the roaring of the sea and the waves, 26 men fainting from fear and the expectation of the things which are coming upon the world; for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 27 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 But when these things begin to take place, straighten up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”


You're not suggesting that this has happened already, are you?