How to choose between creation and evolution.

[USincognito]

I agree, so please show verifiable evidence of common ancestry evolution. Show verifiable evidence that all.life came from.one thing .

I'm going to present you with verifiable evidence showing common ancestry, but

Spoiler: my prediction

I predict you will use "verifiable" as a weasel word to not only not address the evidence, but to simply hand wave it away

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29+ Evidences for Macroevolution/Common Descent

 

[AnotherAtheist]

He doesn't sound "utterly ignorant" of the subject. He just doesn't agree with you. Although it could be worse. Mark Twain deemed those who didn't agree with him insane.

Is he, perchance, asking for information that he has been supplied with over and over in the past?

 

[bhsmte]

I'm going to present you with verifiable evidence showing common ancestry, but

Spoiler: my prediction

I predict you will use "verifiable" as a weasel word to not only not address the evidence, but to simply hand wave it away

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29+ Evidences for Macroevolution/Common Descent

I bet this has been posted on this board, a million times.

 

[AnotherAtheist]

I bet this has been posted on this board, a million times.

How many times has anyone come up with a single cogent argument against even one of the evidences?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Discussed here: Suboptimal Optics: Vision Problems as Scars of Evolutionary History

I agree. That 'hole' in my vision has been quite troublesome.

God created us with physical limits so we wouldn't get confused, or go crazy, and so we would know the consequences of sin, carelessness, and stupidity.

I would love to have the speed of a cheetah, but I might miss a turn and run into a tree.

 

[AnotherAtheist]

I agree. That 'hole' in my vision has been quite troublesome.

God created us with physical limits so we wouldn't get confused, or go crazy, and so we would know the consequences of sin, carelessness, and stupidity.

How does it make sense that having a blind spot would reduce the chance that we would go crazy, get confused, etc? I would think that it would have the opposite effect.

 

[bhsmte]

How many times has anyone come up with a single cogent argument against even one of the evidences?

I haven't seen one.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

With all of the "evidence" how many people accept the ToE based on understanding, and how many accept it based on faith in science alone (on a percentage basis)?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

How does it make sense that having a blind spot would reduce the chance that we would go crazy, get confused, etc? I would think that it would have the opposite effect.

My point is that we cannot see, hear, or feel everything. If we did we would live in a madhouse and we would certainly go crazy. Our senses and abilities are limited by what is good for us, according to God's plan for us on earth.

 

[bhsmte]

My point is that we cannot see, hear, or feel everything. If we did we would live in a madhouse and we would certainly go crazy.

Better question:

Of those who deny evolution, what percentage of those do so because it is too painful to give up a personal faith belief?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Better question:

Of those who deny evolution, what percentage of those do so because it is too painful to give up a personal faith belief?

Hard to know. What is important is that one work with their beliefs for their personal benefit.

 

[AnotherAtheist]

With all of the "evidence" how many people accept the ToE based on understanding, and how many accept it based on faith in science alone (on a percentage basis)?

I would like to think that most people who accept evolution are aware of some of the evidence. Remember that observation of the natural world are what led Darwin to formulate his theory. While not many of us have been to the galapagos islands, there is still plenty of life around us. People are aware of how pigeons, cats, dogs, fish, etc. can be selectively bred. Where I live, there are different varieties of finches, even. There is plenty of evidence for everyone to see.

 

[xianghua]

We know there is common ancestry because of all the correlated evidence of common ancestry. The Proof Is in the Proteins: Test Supports Universal Common Ancestor for All Life It is not an 'assumption'.

actually its is. first: this is another bogus paper. as far as i aware they only talk about evolution vs convergent evolution. not about evolution vs a common designer. as for the rest of your claims i will response later.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I would like to think that most people who accept evolution are aware of some of the evidence. Remember that observation of the natural world are what led Darwin to formulate his theory. While not many of us have been to the galapagos islands, there is still plenty of life around us. People are aware of how pigeons, cats, dogs, fish, etc. can be selectively bred. Where I live, there are different varieties of finches, even. There is plenty of evidence for everyone to see.

God likes variety, thus the variety and individuality we see in both humans and animals.

I think most who accept evolution just don't want to fight about it. It just isn't that important to them, i.e. "ignorance and apathy".

 

[AnotherAtheist]

My point is that we cannot see, hear, or feel everything. If we did we would live in a madhouse and we would certainly go crazy. Our senses and abilities are limited by what is good for us, according to God's plan for us on earth.

Having a properly designed eye wouldn't mean that we would see everything. Just what we see now, except a bit better. It's not like we'd gain the ability to read people's minds. We'd suffer fewer problems caused by the compensations that have evolved for our suboptimal eyes. So, I think it would be a clear advantage to have better eyes.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Having a properly designed eye wouldn't mean that we would see everything. Just what we see now, except a bit better. It's not like we'd gain the ability to read people's minds. We'd suffer fewer problems caused by the compensations that have evolved for our suboptimal eyes. So, I think it would be a clear advantage to have better eyes.

I think God intended for our eyes and other parts to wear out or fail in a timely manner. The decline in vision is predictable as is other functions which indicate that our 'spring' is winding down. What is most useful in this regard is to discover how to preserve our senses and abilities as long as possible within the time that we have on earth. So far we have failed quite miserably, so musing on a 'better design' is quite futile as we would just abuse that as well, with the same results.

 

[AnotherAtheist]

actually its is. first: this is another bogus paper. as far as i aware they only talk about evolution vs convergent evolution. not about evolution vs a common designer. as for the rest of your claims i will response later.

They talk about a single common ancestor versus multiple independent ancestors. A common designer, as described in e.g. The Bible, creates multiple independent ancestors. For the similarities found in life to be present if there were multiple independent ancestors requires convergent evolution at the molecular level, unless you posit a creator who deliberately created life so that it looks absolutely as if it evolved.

Hence, I don't think this paper is bogus in any way. As mentioned, it raises hypothesis testing to a whole new level of sophistication, and estimated that common descent is at last 10^2,860 (10 with 2860 zeroes after it) times more likely than multiple independent ancestors.

 

[Brightmoon]

With all of the "evidence" how many people accept the ToE based on understanding, and how many accept it based on faith in science alone (on a percentage basis)?

I can honestly say I base my acceptance of evolution on understanding it. I’ve got a biology degree.

 

[AnotherAtheist]

I think God intended for our eyes and other parts to wear out or fail in a timely manner. The decline in vision is predictable as is other functions which indicate that our 'spring' is winding down. What is most useful in this regard is to discover how to preserve our senses and abilities as long as possible within the time that we have on earth. So far we have failed quite miserably, so musing on a 'better design' is quite futile as we would just abuse that as well, with the same results.

The thing is, it's not just degeneration due to age. Everyone's vision is not as good as it could be due to the suboptimal nature of the eye.

 

[r4.h]

How was man created?

First answer this, If men were so unenlightened as to believe creationism back when Moses recorded the Genesis account on mount Horeb, how then did they know "from dust were you created and from dust shall you return?

The bible account is 100% accurate when it states God created us from the dust, everything in our makeup can be made from the minerals in the earth, just add water.