flat earth debate

[JacksBratt]

Well, there certainly are some kindergarten arguments in here, but not perhaps where you think they are



Oh I have - I'm just yet to find anything remotely like evidence to support the theory being postulated.



So fly there. Send a drone. Launch a balloon. You see - it's really hard to take the FE side seriously when they make all sorts of claims about photos showing the globe being a fake when they don't have a single picture to support their side. In a world flooded with billions of cameras.



So protected that Qantas runs joyflights over this amazingly protected area. And if people can smuggle footage out of North Korea and post it on youtube, I'm sure a few dedicated flat earthers could sneak onto the ice and send a drone.



You talk about research, then post something that is completely made up. One plane (not "planes" crashed during a blizzard, and 6 of the crew were rescued. Unlike the flat earth, there's even a photo.

Please investigate why questions that are so basic - like those asked in this thread - are incapable of being answered.

I'm sorry but your original question and further questions in this post are all evidence that you have not researched this topic.

A few simple video presentations is all you would need to view as they deal with your questions at the very basic FE 101 level.

 

[JacksBratt]

Is see. So it boils down to ‘because Jesus’.

Well..... ya..... Is that not Satan's game?

Did he not try to corrupt the human bloodline and succeed to the point that only 5 people of pure human DNA were left.

Did he not have King Herod kill all the baby boys?

Did he not try to tempt Christ at Christ's lowest point after He was without food for 40 days?

Did he not try to kill Jesus several times? Once when they were going to stone Him and again when they almost flogged Him to death..

Then he had them try to break His legs on the cross because this was typical of a crucifixion, and it would break prophesy?

We really need to see who is behind all of this as Satan knew who Christ was and tried to mess up the prophesy.

Now, he knows he is beat and he hates humans. So he is trying to get back at God by keeping as many as he can from knowing the truth, accepting their savior and going to heaven.. which is God's main plan.

 

[JacksBratt]

Or perhaps Satan's master plan is to damage the Church by making Christians look stupid. That's at least equally plausible.

Oh ya... that's why so many people who are "converted" to the FE are becoming Christians.... ya... sure... OK

Satan is infinitely wiser than you and I. That is not his plan.

 

[JacksBratt]

Half of Antarctica belongs to Australia, but many countries have bases there. The New Zealanders have webcams, as do most other nations. Flickr is full of photographs taken there. And apart from joining a government base, several private sightseeing options exist.

Nobody is saying that Antarctica doesn't exist.

Ships in the 1800s tried to sail around this continent and logged 60,000 nautical miles before returning to their original spot.

See here:
flat-earth-around-antarticia



In 1773 Captain Cook became the first modern explorer known to have breached the Antarctic Circle and reached the ice barrier. During three voyages, lasting three years and eight days, Captain Cook and crew sailed a total of 60,000 miles along the Antarctic coastline never once finding an inlet or path through or beyond the massive glacial wall! Captain Cook wrote: “The ice extended east 57 and west far beyond the reach of our sight, while the southern half of the horizon was illuminated by rays of light which were reflected from the ice to a considerable height. It was indeed my opinion that this ice extends quite to the pole, or perhaps joins some land to which it has been fixed since creation.”

On October 5th, 1839 another explorer, James Clark Ross began a series of Antarctic voyages lasting a total of 4 years and 5 months. Ross and his crew sailed two heavily armored warships thousands of miles, losing many men from hurricanes and icebergs, looking for an entry point beyond the southern glacial wall. Upon first confronting the massive barrier Captain Ross wrote of the wall, “extending from its eastern extreme point as far as the eye could discern to the eastward. It presented an extraordinary appearance, gradually increasing in height, as we got nearer to it, and proving at length to be a perpendicular cliff of ice, between one hundred and fifty feet and two hundred feet above the level of the sea, perfectly flat and level at the top, and without any fissures or promontories on its even seaward face. We might with equal chance of success try to sail through the cliffs of Dover, as to penetrate such a mass.”

“Yes, but we can circumnavigate the South easily enough,‟ is often said by those who don't know, The British Ship Challenger recently completed the circuit of the Southern region - indirectly, to be sure - but she was three years about it, and traversed nearly 69,000 miles - a stretch long enough to have taken her six times round on the globular hypothesis.” -William Carpenter, “100 Proofs the Earth is Not a Globe” (78)

 

[Aldebaran]

In 1773 Captain Cook became the first modern explorer known to have breached the Antarctic Circle and reached the ice barrier. During three voyages, lasting three years and eight days, Captain Cook and crew sailed a total of 60,000 miles along the Antarctic coastline never once finding an inlet or path through or beyond the massive glacial wall! Captain Cook wrote: “The ice extended east 57 and west far beyond the reach of our sight, while the southern half of the horizon was illuminated by rays of light which were reflected from the ice to a considerable height. It was indeed my opinion that this ice extends quite to the pole, or perhaps joins some land to which it has been fixed since creation.”

So he ran into a glacier. Those existed in 1773, and they still exist today.
Notice the captain didn't say that this wall of ice extended all the way up to Heaven.

 

[JacksBratt]

So he ran into a glacier. Those existed in 1773, and they still exist today.
Notice the captain didn't say that this wall of ice extended all the way up to Heaven.

Why would the wall go all the way up to heaven?

We already know that Admiral Byrd stated that he found an area of land, larger than the country of US or North America, I can't remember which, that is still left to be explored. He said that there was oil and minerals in enough quantity to supply their needs for the foreseeable future...

He also stated that this land was, curious statement.... "beyond the south pole".

Now, I'm no geography major but what does "beyond the south pole" mean.

He also saw and had float planes land in fresh water lakes that were not frozen.

So, in answer to your question... the ice wall is only there to hold back the oceans around the perimeter of the flat earth disc... from what I gather..

My point, or more precisely, the point of the article was that they sailed far more miles than they should have and did not circumnavigate the "continent" of Antarctica if it was or is the way it is presented to us.
They are saying that it is more logical of an explanation that they were sailing around the rim of the flat earth disk.

 

[JacksBratt]

 

[Aldebaran]

Why would the wall go all the way up to heaven?

We already know that Admiral Byrd stated that he found an area of land, larger than the country of US or North America, I can't remember which, that is still left to be explored. He said that there was oil and minerals in enough quantity to supply their needs for the foreseeable future...

He also stated that this land was, curious statement.... "beyond the south pole".

Now, I'm no geography major but what does "beyond the south pole" mean.

He also saw and had float planes land in fresh water lakes that were not frozen.

So, in answer to your question... the ice wall is only there to hold back the oceans around the perimeter of the flat earth disc... from what I gather..

My point, or more precisely, the point of the article was that they sailed far more miles than they should have and did not circumnavigate the "continent" of Antarctica if it was or is the way it is presented to us.
They are saying that it is more logical of an explanation that they were sailing around the rim of the flat earth disk.

Speaking of Admiral Byrd:
Admiral Byrd was interviewed by Lee van Atta of International News Service aboard the expedition's command ship USS Mount Olympus, in which he discussed the lessons learned from the operation. The interview appeared in the Wednesday, March 5, 1947 edition of the Chilean newspaper El Mercurio, and read in part as follows:

"Admiral Richard E. Byrd warned today that the United States should adopt measures of protection against the possibility of an invasion of the country by hostile planes coming from the polar regions. The admiral explained that he was not trying to scare anyone, but the cruel reality is that in case of a new war, the United States could be attacked by planes flying over one or both poles. This statement was made as part of a recapitulation of his own polar experience, in an exclusive interview with International News Service. Talking about the recently completed expedition, Byrd said that the most important result of his observations and discoveries is the potential effect that they have in relation to the security of the United States. The fantastic speed with which the world is shrinking – recalled the admiral – is one of the most important lessons learned during his recent Antarctic exploration. I have to warn my compatriots that the time has ended when we were able to take refuge in our isolation and rely on the certainty that the distances, the oceans, and the poles were a guarantee of safety."

He doesn't seem to be saying anything that indicates a belief in the world being flat at all.

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

I'm sorry but your original question and further questions in this post are all evidence that you have not researched this topic.

A few simple video presentations is all you would need to view as they deal with your questions at the very basic FE 101 level.

Dodge the question however you want - but we're still left with the well-researched fact that there exist today ZERO pictures of the "edge of the earth"

 

[Radagast]

The British Ship Challenger recently completed the circuit of the Southern region - indirectly, to be sure - but she was three years about it, and traversed nearly 69,000 miles

Yes, I guess 1872 is "recent" compared to how long we've known the Earth is a globe.

And Challenger detoured quite a bit, trying to sample all the world's oceans.

 

[Radagast]

Now, I'm no geography major but what does "beyond the south pole" mean.

Presumably, on the other side of Antarctica.

And why all this emphasis on Byrd? What about the 1955–58 Commonwealth Trans-Antarctic Expedition? What about current visits?

 

[Radagast]

Dodge the question however you want - but we're still left with the well-researched fact that there exist today ZERO pictures of the "edge of the earth"

And MANY pictures of the South Pole.

 

[JacksBratt]

Dodge the question however you want - but we're still left with the well-researched fact that there exist today ZERO pictures of the "edge of the earth"

Again, you show your ignorance of the topic.

 

[JacksBratt]

Speaking of Admiral Byrd:
Admiral Byrd was interviewed by Lee van Atta of International News Service aboard the expedition's command ship USS Mount Olympus, in which he discussed the lessons learned from the operation. The interview appeared in the Wednesday, March 5, 1947 edition of the Chilean newspaper El Mercurio, and read in part as follows:

"Admiral Richard E. Byrd warned today that the United States should adopt measures of protection against the possibility of an invasion of the country by hostile planes coming from the polar regions. The admiral explained that he was not trying to scare anyone, but the cruel reality is that in case of a new war, the United States could be attacked by planes flying over one or both poles. This statement was made as part of a recapitulation of his own polar experience, in an exclusive interview with International News Service. Talking about the recently completed expedition, Byrd said that the most important result of his observations and discoveries is the potential effect that they have in relation to the security of the United States. The fantastic speed with which the world is shrinking – recalled the admiral – is one of the most important lessons learned during his recent Antarctic exploration. I have to warn my compatriots that the time has ended when we were able to take refuge in our isolation and rely on the certainty that the distances, the oceans, and the poles were a guarantee of safety."

He doesn't seem to be saying anything that indicates a belief in the world being flat at all.

I never said that he was a FE believer... He just gives some very odd statements of his observations of Antarctica... I do believe he was a hollow earth believer and said that there were craft that could fly from pole to pole at high speed.

He is a very interesting guy and his work lead to some very secretive operations.

 

[Radagast]

Again, you show your ignorance of the topic.

Enlighten us.

 

[JacksBratt]

And MANY pictures of the South Pole.

Like I said before, there are things about the FE that I cannot get my head around. Just that there are things that are observable about the globe that don't make sense either....

Now.. how on earth would you know if it was actually a picture of the south pole? I could go to some frozen lake, up here in Canada, make a fancy monument, take a picture and say look... the North pole. Or, fly a plane over a vast frozen land and say we flew over the north pole and the passengers would have to take my word...
There are no solid proofs. Many believe that the Mars lander is on an Island in the north called "Deception Island"..

How would we know? Do you trust them after the puppet march of the astro nots.....???

 

[Snappy1]

Like I said before, there are things about the FE that I cannot get my head around. Just that there are things that are observable about the globe that don't make sense either....

Now.. how on earth would you know if it was actually a picture of the south pole? I could go to some frozen lake, up here in Canada, make a fancy monument, take a picture and say look... the North pole. Or, fly a plane over a vast frozen land and say we flew over the north pole and the passengers would have to take my word...
There are no solid proofs. Many believe that the Mars lander is on an Island in the north called "Deception Island"..

How would we know? Do you trust them after the puppet march of the astro nots.....???

Just because you have trouble understanding things and are easily convinced by shoddy information doesn't mean the rest of us are the same. I think that's really the source of the issue here.

 

[JacksBratt]

Just because you have trouble understanding things and are easily convinced by shoddy information doesn't mean the rest of us are the same. I think that's really the source of the issue here.

I think that anyone that is convinced that we went to the moon..... they are the ones convinced by shoddy information...

 

[JacksBratt]

Enlighten us.

Soon as you show your equation for the calculation for the curve of the globe.

 

[Larniavc]

And MANY pictures of the South Pole.

And the fact that you go there on holiday.