South Africa votes to confiscate white-owned land without compensation

[Gadarene]

You mean ISIS? ISIS attack everyone, extremists groups will always exists. With your logic atheists are opressed too, everyone is opressed with your logic. You have too look up what real opression is and what racism is. Real opression and real racism is when a whole group gets no rights and a genocide happens, this is what is happening to jews, muslims and black people right now in alot of places and also historically.

TIL murdering Christians for being Christians isn’t oppressing them

 

[jovanovic]

So white people deserve to have their farms stolen, looted, and destroyed by indignant black Africans because of the alleged sins of colonialism? Get real! If you were the victim of such a crime, I sure wouldn't have sympathy for you. And your straw man fallacy on my purported views on black IQ is such nonsense that I won't bother replying to it.

When Sweden becomes a Muslim-majority country because guilt-ridden white liberals like you support mass immigration from the Middle East, I'm going to laugh my tail off when people like you are forced to convert to Islam. Swedes are already dhimmis in their own country because they will get charged with hate speech for criticizing Islam or noticing Muslim crime statistics. I can only imagine how much more severe things will be once Muslims are the majority in Sweden.

No, but white people should share their privilege with black people. Is that not what christianity is about, making the world a better place?

Yes, there is a chance Sweden becomes a majority non-white and muslim country, but thats probaly 100 years from now.

Whats wrong with immigration? Its poor people fleeing from war and misery, they need our help, i thought christianity was about helping the poor and opressed no matter what skin of their color is and no matter what religion they have?

You do realise that Quran strictly forbid forced conversations? Did you know that alot of people where forced to convert to christianity by white christians? So why throw stone if you live in a glashouse?

We are not dhimmis. Do you even know what dhimmis means? Its a name for non-muslims living under muslim majority countries. The poll tax that dhimmis pay is even less that what you and me are paying right now to trump and the swedish secular state.

Get charged with hate speech for criticizing Islam? Thats not true, you are allowed to give Islam critic in Sweden, but the left sure do not like it because they think that an opressed minority should not get criticized and i agree with them. Would you want Copts to get critic in Egypt by right-wingers? Nope, so please stop with this double moral.

Noticing Muslim crime statistics? Okay what about noticing white people and christians crime statistics? You dont like that do you? Also, only because an muslim do a criminal act it does not mean he did it because of Islam just like when a christians is doing a criminal act it does not mean he did it because of christianity.

Severe things will be once Muslims are the majority in Sweden? Okay man, can you tell me in what way christian nations are "good"? Nobody has opressed minorities as much as we christians, thats a fact. Once again, stop throwing stones if you live in a glashouse.

 

[Gadarene]

No, but white people should share their privilege with black people. Is that not what christianity is about, making the world a better place?

Share is one thing. That’s not what’s going on in South Africa.

but the left sure do not like it because they think that an opressed minority should not get criticized and i agree with them.

You are either a 12 year old or a Poe

Would you want Copts to get critic in Egypt by right-wingers? Nope, so please stop with this double moral.

Do I trust criticism of minorities in nondemocratic states? Not so much, but that’s mainly because it occurs in a nondemocratic state.

 

[compassion 4 humanity]

Share is one thing. That’s not what’s going on in South Africa.



You are either a 12 year old or a Poe



Do I trust criticism of minorities in nondemocratic states? Not so much, but that’s mainly because it occurs in a nondemocratic state.

I don't think he's a troll (or Poe). The Swedish hard left believes in the most ridiculous things to the extent that it is beyond parody. He admitted that Sweden will have a Muslim majority sometime during this century, then said he is okay with that happening and said nothing bad would happen because of it. Unfortunately, this is how many leftist Swedes think. Here is a good article exposing just how bad the situation is in Sweden due to mass Islamic immigration: https://www.amren.com/features/2018/02/what-future-for-sweden-democrats-election/

 

[TerranceL]

Mandela had been a terrorist. He went to prison for terrorism-related offences and led the ANC's military wing, Umkhonto we Sizwe.

However, when he left prison he organised a fair government of national unity, broke bread with his former enemies, and attempted to steer a middle way. He was in favour of gradual transformation of South Africa, not revenge and land-grabbing or unfair treatment of whites. He was one of those rare people that can forgive and does not get hardened by events. He is definitely rolling in his grave.

And yet he was recorded long after he was out of prison singing about killing white people.

 

[Redac]

Identity politics suck.
Tribal warfare and tribal politics are things that we ought to relegate to the stone age, from whence they sprang.
We are not black or white or yellow or pink or blue.
We are all individuals.

That's a nice sentiment and all, but it's not very realistic. Identity politics is a thing because tribalism and group identity are inherent parts of human nature, and by and large people tend to act in favor of their group interests -- white people being the one group who don't do this nearly as much. In this case, it's leading to their dispossession and murder.

To respond to this by saying "well it'd be better and more rational if you guys didn't engage in identity politics" is kind of silly, honestly. They are. Now what?

 

[Radagast]

No, but white people should share their privilege with black people.

In South Africa, the privileged people are black. The country has been ruled by the ANC for quite a while now.

You do realise that Quran strictly forbid forced conversations?

Forced conversions to Islam are in fact common in some countries.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Has the U.N. said anything about what's going on in South Africa..? This is a big deal.

 

[HannahT]

There is no international outcry because white people are not opressed just like christians are not. Black people wants to have food on their table and not starve to death, its not "racism" to want equality with white people. White people on the other hand wants to keep their privilege which they got from colonization.

Yikes you are certainly a cold human being.

No international outcry over human (Men, Women and babies) beings being murdered, and a country being torn apart...your justification for this horror is skin color? Wow!

No, but white people should share their privilege with black people. Is that not what christianity is about, making the world a better place?

You are not making any sense at all.

This isn't about Christianity or the Muslim faith. It's about morality and decency. You don't want white people there? Fine. Remove them. They have the power to do that. It's part of their privilege of using the government to do so. They have a choice to do that.

I can't believe I'm reading about someone justifying murder of anyone. It's not a competition between faith belief systems.

I feel sorry for you. Your beliefs doesn't seem to make the world a better place, and yet you want to talk about others. Your enabling evil, and you don't even know it.

Yes, I'm officially blown away.

 

[Quid est Veritas?]

And yet he was recorded long after he was out of prison singing about killing white people.

I would have to check that. It might have been at ANC general meetings or in his twilight demented years.

However, actions speak louder than words. Mandela ran South Africa fairly and judiciously, and supported and organised the Truth and Reconciliation Commission. He could have launched Witch Hunts and oppressed the whites. He could have orchestrated violence or genocide in revenge. He did none of these things. He tried to move us forward, while his successors have just been undoing his good work.

 

[SolomonVII]

There is no international outcry because white people are not opressed just like christians are not. Black people wants to have food on their table and not starve to death, its not "racism" to want equality with white people. White people on the other hand wants to keep their privilege which they got from colonization.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
This same moral idiocy has already been tried in Zimbabwe under their 'great liberator' Robert Mugabe. The result was that Zimbabwe turned into breadbasket into an area of famine where starving black people fled to South Africa for food.
And now where will they go?

This morally insane identity politics is the same Marxist model that has left people starving wherever it is tried. People who advocate it again and again are worse than neo-nazis.
And yet they project themselves as great lovers of humanity.
I suppose Harvey Weinstein thought of himself as a great lover too.

 

[Bio-Luminescent Billy]

There is much tribalism, yes. Zuma managed to stay in power so long because he was seen as a good Zulu taking control from Mandela and Mbeki, the Xhosas.
There are broader fights though. While the groups aren't united, the radicals in all the tribal groups want the same general thing. It is radical black elements against the whites, and thereafter they will fight over the corpse amongst themselves. If anything, the Zulu feel they have been slighted, being the largest group, but until recently out of power. Their old party, the Inkatha Freedom Party, has imploded, and many supported Zuma purely on tribal lines. Now that a non-Zulu is in power again, they may oppose a peaceful settlement, and can easily act as the muscle radical land redistributors need.

I've been looking to get in touch with Afrikaners in an effort to network some type of relief effort for the white living in the Townships. Is this something you might be interested in helping with?

 

[Bio-Luminescent Billy]

I see the possibility of social justice which does not pursue its ends by wrong means. I don't agree with everything that's suggested by people pursuing social justice, but I think the broad aim - of creating a society where oppression, poverty, violence, and so forth are minimised, is a good one; and shouldn't be trashed because of situations like that in South Africa.

You either have justice, or injustice. "Social Justice" is simply feel good double speak that allows people to commit injustices as they deceive themselves into thinking their actions are just.

 

[Gadarene]

That, and they are terrified that, if actual equality were achieved, women would treat men as badly as men have treated women, and/or black people would treat white people as badly as white people have treated black people.

It's mostly just fear. Fear and an unadmitted conviction of their own superiority.

Yeah, bloody whitey being irrationally scared that black people will treat them as badly as white people did!

What’s the thread about, anyway?

 

[Bio-Luminescent Billy]

To me, welfare, health service, security for everyone... that is social justice. That's what I was saying about taking too narrow a view of social justice.

To you, being the operative phrase. Many of us have to deal with this social justice nonsense daily, and we are very well versed in it.

I'm not redefining words.

I happen to be part of a pretty active network of people involved in social justice in all sorts of spheres. Here's a random sample of things hitting my inbox in the last week under the general heading of social justice:

- promotion of a march in support of refugees
- promotion of a women's leadership breakfast
- promotion of a workshop on how religious narratives "may unfold into human stories that can build communities of love and justice"
- correspondence about a Bible study series on "Isaiah's Cry for Justice"
- this article: Lighting the Way: How Pollinate Energy Is Making Money and Doing Good - Social Change Central
- information about a voucher scheme in support of social enterprises, and other grants for those with ideas to make a positive difference in their community
- information about a sustainable investing challenge
- awards for those involved in working towards gender equality and environmental protection
- information about a fellowship in leadership for young people
- a request for stories about ethical/sustainable travel

All of this sits under the broad heading of social justice, and not because I put it there. Those who want to claim social justice is just about race relations or whatever are, as I see it, artificially narrowing a vibrant and diverse field of activism and interest.

Wow, you took the criticism that SJW talking points sound similar to the moralizing nature of the religious right back under Bush, and just embraced it.

I see a bunch of feel good nonsense, in which the road to Hell is paved with the most pure and socially just intentions.

That, and they are terrified that, if actual equality were achieved, women would treat men as badly as men have treated women, and/or black people would treat white people as badly as white people have treated black people.

It's mostly just fear. Fear and an unadmitted conviction of their own superiority.

Given the escalating genocide going on in SA, after they were nice enough to end Apartheid, being concerned about blacks thanking us for the equality we've bestowed onto them is not only logical, but prudent.

 

[Bio-Luminescent Billy]

Time for a lot of people to get out.

I've read that they really can't. Perhaps someone here knows better, but don't whites require the permission of the SA government to travel outside the country, unless you have a foreign passport.

 

[Bio-Luminescent Billy]

Pretty much, yeah. Definitely on the white side, it seems to be about trying to maintain cultural, social and economic dominance. From what I can see here.

Wanting to avoid racial persecution is about survival, not dominance.

Now, the question becomes, is dominance necessary for survival?

 

[Bio-Luminescent Billy]

The left and right in the US typically talk about race in different ways. For the right there is a kind of cultural and genetic determinism behind racial rhetoric that isn't as emphasized for the left.

One accepts reality, the other denies unpleasant truths.

 

[Bio-Luminescent Billy]

Aside from the shrinking number of moderate Republicans, I don't think the Right in the US is committed to liberal democracy any longer. They sort of parted ways with that when they signed on the Religious Right in the 80's. Whereas at least the Left in the US gives ear service to those ideals.

Yea, ok. The same group that rigged their own primaries, is now ademantly against free speech, still against the 2nd Amendment, and endorses open borders treason and replacement migration in hope of securing a base of voting foreign nationals to compensate for working class whites waking up the fact that Dem policies are detrimental to our futures.

 

[Bio-Luminescent Billy]

I agree that social justice typically operates in advance of the law.

South Africa, the topic, was a perfect example. For so long, horrible unjust racism was the law. And so resistance to it could hardly be applied by the courts, which must operate within the law. Instead resistance took the form of the various methods of social justice activism you list, plus actual civil disobedience law breaking.

That was 30 years ago, now. And judging from what has become of the country since, ending Apartheid was CLEARLY a mistake, and never should have happened.