Is it okay to Weaponize the Gospel?

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SwordmanJr

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I have to disagree with hating people.

God taught us to Love our enemy and God is no hypocrite.

Now... if you refer to God’s loathing of Hypocrisy... I can follow you in your train of thought.

Hmm. Even though I quoted directly where it clearly states that God hates some people, you disagree? The Hebrew from which that passage was translated is quite clear, and hypocrisy is not at all an element within the grammatical construct in the Hebrew of that passage.

Please elaborate, if you don't mind, just to make sure I understand your meaning.
 
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Jesus said repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations. (Luke 24:47 NASB)

Jesus didn't say please feel free to continue to sin as you wish and your sins will still be forgiven regardless.

Repentance is not a promise to follow the Laws... but an utter admission of perpetual failure...

“Oh God... Have mercy on me a SINNER”

“I did not come to save the Righteous, but SINNERS”

Hmmmm....
 
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When forgiven sinners demand sinners become saved by Obedience to the Law...
I have not seen any posters in quite some time (most banned) demand or preach such here at CF.

What I have seen quite often and is error as well are themes where posters strongly suggest or state one must keep the law to "stay saved" and those who preach certain sins are not sins.

I also see "love" used a lot on this site and it isn't the love we see in the Scriptures but a relativistic post modern "love" where repentance is not called for.

I think the above is why there are long threads which end up closed. It is usually because the OP is too general or begs the question. It is why I am trying to nail down the particulars of your OP. Much like the Socratic dialogue in Plato's Republic, nailing down the particulars of a concept is most important for intelligent discussions.
 
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Hmm. Even though I quoted directly where it clearly states that God hates some people, you disagree? The Hebrew from which that passage was translated is quite clear, and hypocrisy is not at all an element within the grammatical construct in the Hebrew of that passage.

Please elaborate, if you don't mind, just to make sure I understand your meaning.

Indeed...

Either Jesus IS God and He Loves His Enemies, or He’s a crazy hypocrite.

God practices what He preaches...

Perhaps a deeper study would be in order... over the idioms the Bible uses that refer to “hate”.

It’s an important one... because 1 Corinthians 13 and 1 John 4:8 is our greatest hope... otherwise, we’re sunk.
 
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I have not seen any posters in quite some time (most banned) demand or preach such here at CF.

What I have seen quite often and is error as well are themes where posters strongly suggest or state one must keep the law to "stay saved" and those who preach certain sins are not sins.

I also see "love" used a lot on this site and it isn't the love we see in the Scriptures but a relativistic post modern "love" where repentance is not called for.

I think the above is why there are long threads which end up closed. It is usually because the OP is too general or begs the question. It is why I am trying to nail down the particulars of your OP. Much like the Socratic dialogue in Plato's Republic, nailing down the particulars of a concept is most important for intelligent discussions.

Well articulated...

It is intended to draw much of what is coming to light.

It is also intended to be given shape by all of you.

It would be boring if only my opinions built it. :)
 
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Actually... most of America is full of hate and snake venom towards sinners Jesus died for.

Nice try.

If I offend you... By taking the side of sinners God Loves enough to die for... be offended.
That's actually not accurate. What derails these threads are posters who argue sin is not sin so they don't have to repent (turn from) sin. When someone takes such a position and someone argues using the Bible they are mistaken, such a person is labeled a legalist and heartless.


It's the same rhetoric and strategy the left uses in politics to demonize their opponents and stifle open meaningful discussion and debate.

Your quoted post above applies this strategy whether you are aware of it or not.
 
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That's actually not accurate. What derails these threads are posters who argue sin is not sin so they don't have to repent (turn from) sin. When someone takes such a position and someone argues using the Bible they are mistaken, such a person is labeled a legalist and heartless.


It's the same rhetoric and strategy the left uses in politics to demonize their opponents and stifle open meaningful discussion and debate.

Your quoted post above applies this strategy whether you are aware of it or not.

Sin is absolutely sin.

It is spelled out clearly. There is no saying this or that isn’t sin. The gospel loses its power if sin wasn’t sin.

Instead... The very tip of the sword is thrust best when sin is seen as “forgiven”.

The forgiven part is what many loath.
 
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Unconditional love can be misconstrued if not balanced by what ALL scripture has to say about God's Love. Many people find it impossible to grasp that God actually hates some people.

For proof, see Psalm 5:5, where it is written, "...thou hatest all workers of iniquity."

Hmm. So, rather than to say God loves ALL sinners, we should say God loves MANY sinners, and hates others.

Oops! It looks like God's love has conditions, because those who are "workers of iniquity" are in a very dangerous position. It's not surprising that we may run across those who want a god who is subject to who and what they think He should be rather than to accept One over whom they have no control.

I grieve for those who demand a god who is subject to them and their feelings about how a god should think and act. We should pray for them.
Correct. God's Love is not the SJW post modern "love."

All too clear in 1 Corinthians 13:6
 
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Indeed...

Either Jesus IS God and He Loves His Enemies, or He’s a crazy hypocrite.

God practices what He preaches...

Perhaps a deeper study would be in order... over the idioms the Bible uses that refer to “hate”.

It’s an important one... because 1 Corinthians 13 and 1 John 4:8 is our greatest hope... otherwise, we’re sunk.

Ah. Ok. I think I see the problem. That verse didn't say anything about mere enemies. Workers of iniquity are a special grouping that must be considered far worse than mere enemies.

You see, an enemy's heart can be turned by love expressed to him or her by the object of their hatred.

Workers of iniquity, on the other hand, are a people whose hearts are harder than stone. Perhaps a good example were the Canaanites. The Lord called for their genocide, which gives ample evidence to their having been worse than just enemies, but actual workers of iniquity to merit a call from their Creator to wipe them out....men, women, children, livestock, gold, silver, et al.

Are there workers of iniquity today? Well, given that there's nothing new under the sun, as it's written, it's safe to say that there are indeed workers of iniquity throughout all ages.

The Lord did not instruct that the Canaanites be proselytized. He called for their utter destruction. Mere enemies can be reached, where workers of iniquity cannot.
 
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I’ll say it this way... there are individuals out there that think they are dressed better than others and in a fancy restaurant...

They think they’re kicking out the homeless looking people and doing the owner a favor... but really...

It’s a completely different TRUTH.
 
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Repentance is not a promise to follow the Laws... but an utter admission of perpetual failure...

“Oh God... Have mercy on me a SINNER”

“I did not come to save the Righteous, but SINNERS”

Hmmmm....
The Greek word metanoeō for repent involves two parts:

(1) to change one's mind
(2) amend heartily with abhorrence of one's past sins

According to Thayer's Greek Lexicon, it can also mean:
  • to feel sorry that one has done this or that of having offended someone
  • used especially of those who, conscious of their sins and with manifest tokens of sorrow, are intent; on obtaining God's pardon
  • clothed in sackcloth and besprinkled with ashes
  • conduct worthy of a heart changed and abhorring sin
 
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Ah. Ok. I think I see the problem. That verse didn't say anything about mere enemies. Workers of iniquity are a special grouping that must be considered far worse than mere enemies.

You see, an enemy's heart can be turned by love expressed to him or her by the object of their hatred.

Workers of iniquity, on the other hand, are a people whose hearts are harder than stone. Perhaps a good example were the Canaanites. The Lord called for their genocide, which gives ample evidence to their having been worse than just enemies, but actual workers of iniquity to merit a call from their Creator to wipe them out....men, women, children, livestock, gold, silver, et al.

Are there workers of iniquity today? Well, given that there's nothing new under the sun, as it's written, it's safe to say that there are indeed workers of iniquity throughout all ages.

The Lord did not instruct that the Canaanites be proselytized. He called for their utter destruction. Mere enemies can be reached, where workers of iniquity cannot.

I understand you now. This is an indefensible truth.

You are correct.

I only hope that even they can be turned...

It is a terrible thing to fall into the Hands of the Living God.
 
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The Greek word metanoeō for repent involves two parts:

(1) to change one's mind
(2) amend heartily with abhorrence of one's past sins

According to Thayer's Greek Lexicon, it can also mean:
  • to feel sorry that one has done this or that of having offended someone
  • used especially of those who, conscious of their sins and with manifest tokens of sorrow, are intent; on obtaining God's pardon
  • clothed in sackcloth and besprinkled with ashes
  • conduct worthy of a heart changed and abhorring sin

Interesting...

You have cast a web that catches you and destroys your point.

I hope you change your mind soon. ;)
 
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Correct. God's Love is not the SJW post modern "love."

All too clear in 1 Corinthians 13:6

And again... those that amplify types of sin over others as Warriors of righteousness aren’t on point either... the “Sin Pointers”... I mean.
 
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What is my point according to you?

When you have a change of mind... followed by a change of heart... you’ll see it’s already been made...

Until then... kicking against the pricks will help you along your Lilly strewn journey through the valley.

Acts 26:14
 
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