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Just because one believes in the Trinity does not equal hate. lol
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Christ and accepting Him. Salvation is His gift.
Hence why I keep focusing on Him and accepting Him. The talk about different kingdoms or JS... frankly that's not what saves and I find it to have much less relevance. But seemingly it's what people want to talk about instead of Christ. I find it very frustrating.
LDS - Jane Doe, Let's talk about JesusFrustrating indeed when again--Jesus is not really the ultimate focus, but, what is the interpretation of the whole of the bible according to JS, and it is frustrating to hear, Jesus---when the truth is JS. Jesus deals with, truth not just words, but the heart. JS does not save Jesus does, but not the Jesus of the mind of JS, but the Jesus of the bible. Not the God of the BOM, but the God the the Bible. The bible is the word of God, but the LDS hold the writings of JS on the same level as the bible and in fact it is above it, for if there is any question about anything in it, it is the writings of JS that take precedence. The words that the LDS say and the actual believes are not the same thing and that is very frustrating. It is not the same Gospel, it is not the same Jesus, it is not the same God the Father, it is not the same Holy Spirit, it is not the same salvation, it is not the same reward. It is very simple to say, Jesus is the way---but when it actually means JS is the way---there isn't going to be a clear understanding of Jesus. If a lie is not faced, and seen for what it is, it can only be believed.
It is frustrating when you're trying to talk about the most important thing in your life- the vary core of who you are, and having another person refuse to talk about it and totally ignore you in favor of something else.
Mormons are taught:
“Secondly, we really aren’t obligated to answer everyone’s questions. I’ve not had all my questions answered. The Lord hasn’t chosen to do that. He probably hasn’t answered all of yours. And nor are we obligated to answer everyone else’s questions...
"The principle I would like to get across to you is this: We learn to answer the right question. Answer the right question."
Robert Millet, former Dean of Religious Education, speaking to the Mission Prep Club at BYU.
IOW, if the Mormon doesn't like the question, ignore it and change the subject!
And I want to talk abut Christ. This is not a LDS-specific topic of interest.
You want to talk about salvation and who it pertains to? That cannot be done without talking about Christ.
I don't want to talk about JS. I want to talk about Christ. It's not about JS.
(Editted to more polite)
It honestly seems like people on ChristianForums are not interested in talking about Christ. I don't feel like Christ is a LDS-only topic of interest that I need to shun ChristianForums and just hang out on LDS boards. This... it causes me frustration.
But seemingly very few people on here want to talk about Christ. They'd rather talk about subjects of way lesser importance.
I know how you feel. However, this is a forum for debating about different religious topics. Now, I can talk to my SDA friends about Jesus all I want--we are on the same wave length. On here, I expect, and have frequently, had to state my views as an SDA about a great many topics not just what I want to talk about, but what others are asking about, and talking about. That is what this place is for.
Ok. So Martian Luther hated Jews. You therefore believe that he was not of Christ, as are all people who follow him (aka Protestants)?If they have the same hate in their hearts yes.
A good example was those that followed Malcolm X, during his hate period. It was not uncommon for his followers to gang up on a white person and beat them.
1 John 3:15 New King James Version (NKJV)
15 Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.
Again I suggest, you read the short book of First John in the Bible.
Note: individual sin, one needs only to ask, see I John 1:8-10
Ok. So Martian Luther hated Jews. You therefore believe that he was not of Christ, as are all people who follow him (aka Protestants)?
Obviously not all Protestants agree with his hate.Not all protestants agree with his hate of Jewish People,
Was Luther Anti-Semitic?
Obviously not all Protestants agree with his hate.
But again, I'm trying to understand your beliefs here: do you believe that Luther was not of Christ (due to his hatred of Jews) and no Protestants are of Christ either?
(I'm asking you the questions of your beliefs. Old threads can't answer those questions for me).
As in the author from the 1950s?Do you know of Wuest being online?
The point you seem to be missing is that many Christians including Luther, many Popes, etc. hated black people, Jewish people, etc. I don't see how you can honestly feel like because the reformers were haters longer ago it somehow is different from the LDS leadership that has subsequently disavowed racism and bigotry much as the other churches have. At least the LDS Church has continuing Revelation to use, the other churches have no such advantage.I have no clue why you think I am trying to justify hate.
The point you seem to be missing is, early prophets of LDS were haters of black people.
That practice of hate puts them outside the Christian Church because they are walking in darkness.
In context, he was speaking to LDS Missionaries to avoid questions they do not have answers for.
Thank You for pointing out that tactic,
Daniel
The point you seem to be missing is that many Christians including Luther, many Popes, etc. hated black people, Jewish people, etc. I don't see how you can honestly feel like because the reformers were haters longer ago it somehow is different from the LDS leadership that has subsequently disavowed racism and bigotry much as the other churches have. At least the LDS Church has continuing Revelation to use, the other churches have no such advantage.
*Edit
I don't think you are trying to justify hate, I think your method of condemning LDS leadership of old is misguided.
"My" Christ is the Son of God. Eternal and almighty, the Only Begotten. He created the Earth and all things in it. He redeemed the Earth and all people in it, through His sacrifice. He offers salvation to all whom would accept Him and believe on His name. He not the Father. Rather He one with the Father, and bows down to Him out of love and respect.OK:
Our Christ is not a brother to Satan, He created Lucifer--our Christ is not one of God's sons, He is The Only Son of God. Our Christ did not have His Father as a human who became a man---Nor does our Christ have a heavenly mother. Our Christ was not conceived by natural means but by the Holy Spirit---
Our Christ created this world and EVERYTHING ELSE---Our Christ created us to be fruitful and multiply in the garden of Eden before the fall and we do not see the fall as a favor done us so we can have children---our Christ did not create us with a heavenly mother --He created us from dust and we never existed before we were born. Our Christ is giving us eternal life--with Him on this one earth with God the Father for everyone--Our Christ says there is no marriage in heaven.
Now---our Christ comes strictly from the bible which does not include any of these things----so where does your Christ come from?
"My" Christ is the Son of God. Eternal and almighty, the Only Begotten. He created the Earth and all things in it. He redeemed the Earth and all people in it, through His sacrifice. He offers salvation to all whom would accept Him and believe on His name. He not the Father. Rather He one with the Father, and bows down to Him out of love and respect.
The Father is the Father of all. There is no other. He is almighty and all-knowing. Nothing in this world has not gone according to His great plan and never has He had to say "go well some other person messed me up, guess I got to go get a Plan B now".