Ending the Slaughter of School Children in America

[bhsmte]

You have raised some good points - They could use a vehicle - what has the USA done (and elsewhere across the world) you guys put up bollards everywhere where large crowds walk. You could bring a bomb - so what has the USA done? your surveillance on materials for bomb making is incredible. OR you could hijack a plane with a weapon of some type - I dare anyone to try that these days - the USA has massive security measures.,,,,so whats my point - you gave examples of other methods yet you know full well your country identifies such threats and acts on them with a massive degree of pro-activeness........ EXCEPT WHEN IT COMES TO GUNS

I am all for stricter gun laws and have stated as such. My opinion is, it would only scratch the surface of fixing the mass killings in schools or anywhere else and i gave you 2 very easy methods, motivated people could use to kill many, quickly.

 

[Zoii]

I know most people only know what the MSM reports.
I guess i'll have to live with that...
But i would advise you to look deeper into it.
The official Las Vegas shooting story is highly ambiguous.
In fact, as i said, most terror attacks are apparently not what they're portrayed to be.I'm just a guy in the Netherlands. What can i do other than point out there's more to those stories than the 'official' version.That's just a stupid and offensive remark.
Do you think i don't care or something?
The evil in the world, including rampant child molestation, trafficking and even sacrifice weighs very heavy on my heart.
Why don't you care to look a little further than what they want you to believe?
Don't you want it to stop?
We're not supposed to take part in the workings of evil, but we're supposed to expose them.
I wish i could do more..
This is in the hands of Trump and team now.
People are starting to wake up to what many (yet a minority) have known (or suspected) for a long time.
The key to the US citizens is that they forgot they have the power under the Constitution.
But the majority is quite reluctant to be "red pilled".
Maybe because they actually have a suspicion that it's all very bad and evil, and it would make them break down in desperation.
I can understand that.

Sorry I should have noticed you were Dutch and not from USA

 

[Hieronymus]

Sorry I should have noticed you were Dutch and not from USA

That's okay.
It doesn't make that much of a difference anyway i.m.o.
I was hoping you would be sorry for implying i don't care though.
You see, when people try to point out there's something fishy going on, THEY CARE !
We ALL want truth and justice, don't we? I do.

 

[Zoii]

I am all for stricter gun laws and have stated as such. My opinion is, it would only scratch the surface of fixing the mass killings in schools or anywhere else and i gave you 2 very easy methods, motivated people could use to kill many, quickly.

I just find it an unacceptable answer that its useless to control guns because they will just use another type of weapon so...lets do nothing. Now you didnt say lets do nothing but unfortunately thats how it is effectively translated.

 

[Zoii]

That's okay.
It doesn't make that much of a difference anyway i.m.o.
I was hoping you would be sorry for implying i don't care though.
You see, when people try to point out there's something fishy going on, THEY CARE !
We ALL want truth and justice, don't we? I do.

When I said YOU I was using the collective not the second person singular. Meaning I was referring to the people of the USA

 

[Strathos]

There are a great many possible actions but for most of them the political will is completely lacking so it may be best to start small. I would suggest a ban on the sale of weapons to and the possession of weapons by convicted felons, drug addicts, the mentally ill, those under court orders and the under age. A ban on the sale/possession of military/police style assault weapons be they automatic or semi-automatic. That's my suggestion ---- for a start.

I'd like to note that you should probably be more specific about 'mental illness'. Do you want to deny guns to people with OCD or autism, for example?

 

[Hieronymus]

I just find it an unacceptable answer that its useless to control guns because they will just use another type of weapon so...lets do nothing. Now you didnt say lets do nothing but unfortunately thats how it is effectively translated.

Those capable to bring change are finally doing it, Zoii.
We should pray they succeed.
But they're fighting an octopus with arms entangled everywhere.
The MSM has been the octopus' mouthpiece for a long time now.
But even in the so called 'truth community' there's a war between truth and lies going on.
It's complicated...
There's so much deception, the truth is a rare thing.

What you can do as a citizen is demand clarity, and fight for the Constitution that protects you.

JFK tried to clean out the swamp. We all know how that turned out...

 

[Hieronymus]

When I said YOU I was using the collective not the second person singular. Meaning I was referring to the people of the USA

I understand.
But you're making a mistake when you say people who don't believe the 'official' stories anymore don't care.
But we definitely do care (either in USA or NL or anywhere).
It's strange how people think that when someone says a terror attack is possibly a false flag event, they don't care about the victims.
All they do is point to a different cause than the 'official' report does.
It is up to the individual to look at why they may think differently.
Nobody is accusing their own government or corrupted parts of their own government, or allied governments etc.. for fun.

 

[zephcom]

Looking at the legal system for answers here is like
looking in the churches to stop speeding. This is a
moral issue, not a legal one. What has changed in
the 30+ years when I was in school and you could
park in the lot with shotguns in the back window
of your truck and nobody thought twice about it?
Everyone carried fingernail files or clippers and at
least a small pocket knife. Personal responsibility.
It used to be taught at home, at church and in the
schools. Now nobody is responsible. It's always
someone else's fault; the bullies, the teachers, the
politicians, the cops. The car that cut me off.

I think a number of things have changed. First would be the availability of military style weapons with high capacity magazines. While a shotgun can certainly make a mess out of a human body at close range, they suffer from a lack of capacity, ease of reloading and compactness.

The ability of news to propagate has also changed. My understanding is that school shootings are not a new phenomenon. They have been happening all along, we just didn't know it. Fifty years ago when I was in school, there were just three television networks broadcast over the air. We watched the 'Five O'clock News' for national news on only one of the networks because we couldn't record the others. Our local news came from the newspaper either daily or weekly depending on the size of the community. That had not changed much by the time you were in school thirty years ago.

Today the Internet is a monster megaphone of news planet wide. Let a school shooting occur anywhere in the nation and the Internet is able to show the students streaming out of the school in nearly real time.

The problem of school shootings has always been there. We just didn't know it was problem because our knowledge was limited. As the American population grows (180 million when I was in school, 330 million today) the numbers of shootings are increasing even if the 'per population' may be the same. And the deadliness of them increases with the increased deadliness of the guns available to the population.

I think the personal responsibility thing is not an issue at all. The fact that very nearly one hundred percent of the children and young adults attending school are not bringing guns to school and shooting people indicates a very, very high level of personal responsibility.

 

[bhsmte]

I just find it an unacceptable answer that its useless to control guns because they will just use another type of weapon so...lets do nothing. Now you didnt say lets do nothing but unfortunately thats how it is effectively translated.

I will say again, i am all for stricter gun controls. With that said, the core problem is; pure human motivation to kill others. This will exist regardless of gun laws.

The US has a huge growing problem with obesity, yet, we have more fitness centers than any other country, by far. The convenience of the fitness centers is meaningless, because people are not motivated to use them.

 

[zephcom]

The lack of political will is indeed what is lacking. When people on my side of the pond look across at America, the opinion of most is that America is gun crazy. I know there are laws regarding the sale of weapons, but these laws can't be working when someone who shouldn't be within a hundred miles of a weapon can walk into a gun store and legally purchase a weapon that is more suited to the military.
Perhaps banning the sale of those kinds of weapons could be a start. Why on earth do people want those kind of weapons anyway?
I also think the children need to be educated away from guns. I find it disturbing to see young children as young as six or seven firing weapons at a range. They are prohibited from entering a bar where alcohol is sold, but they can use something that has the potential to kill another human being.
I don't understand why parents put their children in such a situation. There are much better things that parents could encourage their children to do. I think that America will have to face up to the problem it has with guns and make an honest effort to turn things around. Either that or resign themselves to the fact that the horror of Forida will come back and haunt them again and again and again.

America IS gun crazy. We are only a 150 years removed from a Pioneer lifestyle which demanded owning guns as a method of gathering food and self defense. We have a Constitution with a clause that specifies people should be allowed to own guns which was written at a time when guns were muzzle loaders which couldn't be fired more than once every 15-20 seconds.

Those guns were military grade in the 1700s because they were the only guns available. The government was unable to own enough guns to equip armies so conscripts were required to bring their own.

Today we have still have people who believe they need to own military grade weapons because -they- will be the last line of defense for the entire nation. They are completely unaware that our own police departments own weaponry far beyond what they own and any battle they get into will result in them being carried out in a body bag.

They live and die with the image of Hollywood 'heroes' destroying entire cities while they 'root out crime' and they want to be just like them. In real life one can't just destroy a city and then expect the mayor give you the keys to the city.

 

[zephcom]

I will say again, i am all for stricter gun controls. With that said, the core problem is; pure human motivation to kill others. This will exist regardless of gun laws.

The US has a huge growing problem with obesity, yet, we have more fitness centers than any other country, by far. The convenience of the fitness centers is meaningless, because people are not motivated to use them.

While it is not likely we will ever control the human proclivity to murder, reducing the ability to do that on large scales will still save lives.

 

[zephcom]

If someone is motivated to perform mass killings at a school, they will find a way. True, guns are convenient, but homemade bombs, driving a vehicle into a large crowd, will produce a similar result.

Of course that reasoning does not imply that we should not try to do something about the problem that exists today. The issues you bring up are not issues right now in our schools.

'What ifs' should never be used to block taking action on 'what is' problems. After we fix what is wrong NOW, if something turns up as a problem later, we will fix that too.

That is the nature of progress.

 

[zephcom]

Those capable to bring change are finally doing it, Zoii.
We should pray they succeed.
But they're fighting an octopus with arms entangled everywhere.
The MSM has been the octopus' mouthpiece for a long time now.
But even in the so called 'truth community' there's a war between truth and lies going on.
It's complicated...
There's so much deception, the truth is a rare thing.

What you can do as a citizen is demand clarity, and fight for the Constitution that protects you.

JFK tried to clean out the swamp. We all know how that turned out...

While this is more than a bit of topic, I'm happy to run with the topic. First, one should understand that there are more than one way to view a swamp. To a developer, a swamp is just land that hasn't been developed for human occupation. To an alligator, a swamp is the perfect representation of home.

While an alligator may run for president on a platform of 'draining the swamp', one can readily see that if the alligator wins, he is not going to drain the swamp and ruin a perfectly fine home.

IMMHO, Capitalism has out-lived its usefulness. We are living in the end-game of a massive game of Monopoly. In the home game, when players lose they go to the kitchen, get a sandwich and a beer and come out to watch the game until a winner is declared.

In the real life game of Monopoly, when people lose they get discarded and left to die in poverty and homelessness. In the real life version of Monopoly, one of the markers that one has reached the end-game phase is when those with the most 'purchase' the ability to change the rules to favor them and work against the soon to be losers.

America is at that stage. Our federal government and some or most of our state governments have 'purchased' by the wealthy and now operate under the control of the wealthy.

We, the people, no longer control government and are unable to ensure the rules of the game remain balanced for all players.

To bring this all back to the topic of OP, nothing will happen with gun control as long as we continue killing each other. The wealthy actually find that convenient. Should it ever happen that the people start killing the wealthy, however, the order will come down to take away all our guns and there will be a LOT of bloodshed before they win.

 

[bhsmte]

Of course that reasoning does not imply that we should not try to do something about the problem that exists today. The issues you bring up are not issues right now in our schools.

'What ifs' should never be used to block taking action on 'what is' problems. After we fix what is wrong NOW, if something turns up as a problem later, we will fix that too.

That is the nature of progress.

And i said i am all for stricter gun laws, i just dont think it addresses the core issue of mass killings.

 

[Steve Petersen]

Mass killings are people problems first and foremost, not weapons problems.

I have no problem with stricter gun laws, but that would only scratch the surface in making an impact.

All one needs to do is look at Chicago for proof of this.

 

[zephcom]

And i said i am all for stricter gun laws, i just dont think it addresses the core issue of mass killings.

I don't think it is necessary to address the core issues of mass killings before we protect our children from being slaughtered in school.

IMMHO the core issue of mass killings is likely to be over population. Resolving that short term is likely to be...are you ready for this...mass killings on an even grander scale. Solving that long term is birth control.

Today, children are being slaughtered in our schools. It is an immediate issue while the core issue of mass killings is a long term issue.

 

[Albion]

Not a bad start, but I suspect one would have to deal with the political will that is lacking before those things could happen, huh?

It's not a lack of will. First, the change, whatever that might be, would have to be one that works, not one that looks like Congress did something but it doesn't prevent future massacres. Second, it would have to be Constitutional. You cannot fault Congressmen for abiding by the law.

 

[bhsmte]

All one needs to do is look at Chicago for proof of this.

And that is where I sit.

 

[bhsmte]

I don't think it is necessary to address the core issues of mass killings before we protect our children from being slaughtered in school.

IMMHO the core issue of mass killings is likely to be over population. Resolving that short term is likely to be...are you ready for this...mass killings on an even grander scale. Solving that long term is birth control.

Today, children are being slaughtered in our schools. It is an immediate issue while the core issue of mass killings is a long term issue.

Core issues of human motivation should always be the priority. The other stuff is window dressing, but worth a try.