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Putting events in Revelation in chronological order?

Riberra

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Not so....go back and look and see if it states they are MARTYRS anywhere in chapter 7. The Church in Heaven starts/is first shown on verse 9, ... From verse 9 to 17 there is ZERO MENTIONS of Martyrs.
There is ZERO mention that they have been taken to Heaven while they were alive as you imagine...

Revelation 7:13-14
In verse 14 --->The TEXT SAY CLEARLY WHAT HAVE HAPPENED TO THEM:
They come of great tribulation ie[their own tribulation]...what tribulation can be greater than dying under torture ?
Revelation 7:13-14
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, These that are arrayed in WHITE ROBES, who are they, and whence came they?

14 And I say unto him, My lord, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they that come of great tribulation, and they washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.



....They are wearing WHITE ROBES like the SOULS of those who have been KILLED for their testimony of Jesus mentioned at the 5 TH seal.
Revelation 6
9 And when he opened the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the SOULS of them that had been slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10 and they cried with a great voice, saying, How long, O Master, the holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And there was given them to each one a WHITE ROBE; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little time, until their fellow-servants also and their brethren, who should be KILLEDeven as they were, should have fulfilled [their course].
 
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Revelation 7:13-14
In verse 14 --->The TEXT SAY CLEARLY WHAT HAVE HAPPENED TO THEM:
They come of great tribulation ie[their own tribulation]...what tribulation can be greater than dying under torture ?
Tribulation means TROUBLE(S). I hope you aren't implying everyone that has Tribulation dies a tortured death or even a death. Its just not the case. Those mentioned and shown in Rev. 7:9 are the Raptured Church that came out of MANY NATIONS.......Rev. 9:7 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

This above tells us they came from all over the World, so we we know its not the 144,000 thats being spoken of, of course. But its also not those killed during the Seven Year Period at the end or 70th Week, they are told they must WAIT !! All we have to do is go back one chapter and read the verses.

Not being a wisenheimer here but I put all the scriptures together, line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little there a little. You can not understand scriptures otherwise.

The first four seals are mentioned, many deaths, 1/4 of all mankind are killed, then this BELOW:

Rev. 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

So MANY DIE in the world because of the Anti-Christ turned Beast, then Jesus opens up the 5th Seal (a testament to the evil of this world) and speaks to those who died in this ABOVE CARNAGE where 1/4 of all mankind was killed/murdered. The ones who died for Christ, the Remnant Church and the Repented Jews who did not make it to the Wilderness safe zone, who refuse the Mark of the Beast and die for Christ instead, speak out to Jesus, THEY CRY OUT !! How long !! Oh Lord Jesus, HOW LONG must we wait (CATCH THIS) till our blood is avenged against (WATCH) Those that DWELL ON EARTH !! So we are told who killed/Martyred these Saints in this passage, they want revenge of those that DWELL ON EARTH as in present tense, thus those people in Rev, ch. 7 can not be these people. These people are told they MUST WAIT and these people were ALL KILLED in the future Seven Year Period.

They are told they must wait UNTIL....their fellow brethren are KILLED just as they were. Thus they must wait until the Beasts 42 Months reign is over. Then you put that with Rev. 20:4 and we understand that those BEHEADED were the ones that REFUSED the Mark of the Beast. So those in Rev. 7:9 in no wise fit the Criteria. They came out of the GREAT TRIBULATION, a 2000 year period where Jesus told they Church we would have CONTINUAL TRIBULATION.

John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

John said he was our brother IN TRIBULATION.....

Rev. 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

So we are in TRIBULATION NOW !!
 
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What is your process for putting the events detailed in Revelation in chronological order?
Consider....John was taken up and shown a lot of things here...He was outside of time and now you want to put this book into time? Good luck....I say good luck, even though I do not believe in luck, because I don't know how else to say it.
 
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Its just not the case. Those mentioned and shown in Rev. 7:9 are the Raptured Churchthat came out of MANY NATIONS.......
Revelation 7:9
They came out of many nations----> Revelation 7:14 these are they that come of great tribulation .

Nowhere in the text it is said that they have been raptured to Heaven while they were alive.

You add your wishful thinking to the text.

When John say in Revelation 1 /your brother in tribulation/ he relate the word tribulation to physical suffering. John have been plunged alive into boiling oil....John have miraculously survived because God needed him to write the Book of Revelation.John the apostle was called the Living MARTYR.



Now if you want to see the only text about a GROUP of people who have been purchased out of the earth.
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Revelation 14:1-5
1 And I saw, and behold, the Lamb standing on the mount Zion, and with him a hundred and forty and four thousand, having his name, and the name of his Father, written on their foreheads.

2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and the voice which I heard [was] as [the voice] of harpers harping with their harps: 3 and they sing as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four living creatures and the elders: and no man could learn the song save the hundred and forty and four thousand, [even] they that had been purchased out of the earth.

4 These are they that were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These [are] they that follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were purchased from among men, [to be] the firstfruits unto God and unto the Lamb.

5 And in their mouth was found no lie: they are without blemish.
 
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What is your process for putting the events detailed in Revelation in chronological order?
Hi Douggg:

You can read my Blog on Revelation, it contains many things that may help you.
Also, if you are looking for a chronological Bible, see The Reese Chronological Bible. It is very good.

Andy Centek
 
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Then why does Christ come "as a thief" at Armageddon in Revelation 16:15-16, and He also comes in chapter 19?
Same event ---->Revelation 16:15-16 ---Revelation 19 the armies gathered at Armageddon ...That is just a cue for those who WATCHED. Many believe that Jesus will come before the 7 Th Vial ....Those who have taken the time to read further than Revelation 11:15 know that when the armies will begin to be gathered at Armageddon that mean that Jesus Coming as a thief will be near.
 
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Same event ---->Revelation 16:15-16 ---Revelation 19 the armies gathered at Armageddon ...That is just a cue for those who WATCHED. Many believe that Jesus will come before the 7 Th Vial ....Those who have taken the time to read further than Revelation 11:15 know that when the armies will begin to be gathered at Armageddon that mean that Jesus Coming as a thief will be near.
 
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Those who have taken the time to read further than Revelation 11:15 know that when the armies will begin to be gathered at Armageddon that mean that Jesus Coming as a thief will be near.

Would on the same day be considered "near"?

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Would on the same day be considered "near"?
-Revelation 11:15 is The 7 Th Trumpet......Revelation 16:14-17 the 7Th VIAL of the WRATH of God.
-42 months of unpleasant actions against the Christians who will refuse to take the mark [Revelation 13] will happen between the 7 Th Trumpet and the 7Th Vial.
 
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Consider....John was taken up and shown a lot of things here...He was outside of time and now you want to put this book into time? Good luck....I say good luck, even though I do not believe in luck, because I don't know how else to say it.
John was carried forth to OUR FUTURE where time still exists brother. Only the things he saw in Heaven therefore have no contextual time-frame. And if they were being juxtaposed against things going on back on earth they would still be placed in perspective as pertaining to the space time continuum.
 
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Revelation 7:9
They came out of many nations----> Revelation 7:14 these are they that come of great tribulation .

Nowhere in the text it is said that they have been raptured to Heaven while they were alive.

You add your wishful thinking to the text.
No, that's just you not understanding the scriptures. The SCRIPTURES tell of us a Rapture, a rapture you are blinded to but I am not. Thus Rev. 19 can not even exist without a pre-trib rapture. Just because you can't get it doesn't mean I am supposed to agree with you every time you say...BUT There s no specific mention of a rapture in this passage/phrase....THIS JUST IN: There doesn't have to be, I already understand the scriptures say there is a Rapture. I can't give you the understanding you don't have. Not my problem there brother.

You know what this is like unto? Someone telling you every time you quote Jesus and then maybe say "Jesus is in Heaven watching over us, and hearing our prayers" that you have no proof Jesus is in Heaven because nowhere in that passage where Jesus was blessing the people did it say he was in Heaven. We both know Jesus ascended to the Father, we do not need to hear it over and over in every passage to say Jesus is with the Father in Heaven !!

Likewise, we do not need to see the "Rapture passages" in every passage to understand the Church is Raptured to Heaven do we? Just go read the passages where its at, the ones you still do not understand when you read them, which is why you continue a counter argument right?

When John say in Revelation 1 /your brother in tribulation/ he relate the word tribulation to physical suffering. John have been plunged alive into boiling oil....John have miraculously survived because God needed him to write the Book of Revelation.John the apostle was called the Living MARTYR.
Its TROUBLES, it can be physical or mental....it can be financial etc. etc. No one cares what kind of troubles it is, the point is the 2000 year church age is TROUBLES........Thus those in Rev. 7:9 came out of TROUBLES....known as the GREAT TRIBULATION or Church Age as in 2000>7

Now if you want to see the only text about a GROUP of people who have been purchased out of the earth.
Read
Revelation 14:1-5

1 And I saw, and behold, the Lamb standing on the mount Zion, and with him a hundred and forty and four thousand, having his name, and the name of his Father, written on their foreheads.

2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and the voice which I heard [was] as [the voice] of harpers harping with their harps: 3 and they sing as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four living creatures and the elders: and no man could learn the song save the hundred and forty and four thousand, [even] they that had been purchased out of the earth.

4 These are they that were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These [are] they that follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were purchased from among men, [to be] the firstfruits unto God and unto the Lamb.

5 And in their mouth was found no lie: they are without blemish.
Future tense passage !! That is the Jews in the Wilderness. The Church is Raptured to Heaven before that even happens.
 
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-Revelation 11:15 is The 7 Th Trumpet......Revelation 16:14-17 the 7Th VIAL of the WRATH of God.
-42 months of unpleasant actions against the Christians who will refuse to take the mark [Revelation 13] will happen between the 7 Th Trumpet and the 7Th Vial.

You might be able to make that work if it were not for the "time of the judgment of the dead", with rewards for some and destruction for others in Revelation 11:18. (See also John 5:27-30)

Cut Revelation 11:18 out of your Bible, and I think your viewpoint will be more convincing.


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