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Abomination of Desolation - A Future Idol in Jerusalem
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Your response is ignorant, because it shows you are not interested in reading the 1 Thess.5 Scripture as written. And I posted this to show you, but you rejected this Scripture, and instead imply the "Peace and safety" is for the Church when it is NOT.
1 Thess 5:3-7
3 For when they shall say, 'Peace and safety'; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
Peace and safety is what the WICKED AND DECEIVED will be saying, not Christ's Church! That "sudden destruction" comes upon THEM, not those of us in Christ Jesus.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
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Jesus showed us in Matt.24 and Mark 13 that the time of the end would involve a time of peace, as the Book of Daniel also showed that's what the coming false one will conquer with. That peace has NOTHING TO DO WITH CHRIST JESUS. When Jesus does come, He will bring a TRUE PEACE, not a fake peace that He was warning us about for the time of tribulation at the end of this world.
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No, It is not peace in the wicked world. It is the professed Christians within Christ's church. It is about the judgment of the harlot. Not the world.
Christ's peace and safety is Salvation. It is those people in the congregation that does not love the truth that God, through the Red Horse of Rev 6, has removed this peace FROM THEM yet they still are saying "peace and safety" in their congregation, thinking they have salvation going on despite abominations found within her. NOT THE WORLD since they do not have Gospel peace, to begin with.
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I am not hearing anyone in Christianity saying "peace and safety". Name Chrstian specific web sites saying peace and safety as the condition of the world inside or outside of the church that bear out your interpretation.
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It will be BOTH, the wicked AND the deceived, that will be saying that, "Peace and safety". Paul was speaking of those who sleep in the night, pointing to deception. There is NO deception upon Christ's true Church. That is why Paul said those in Christ are not asleep (spiritually) nor drunken in the night.
And in Matt.24, Jesus showed that when we would hear of wars and rumors of wars, don't worry, for the end is not yet. That means the end will come during a time opposite of wars and rumors of wars, which means a time of peace. So God's Word is pointing to a time of world peace for the tribulation timing at the end of this world.
And indeed when the coming pseudo-Christ/Antichrist arrives working the great signs and wonders, with all the world thinking he is God come to fix all their problems, that is what the "Peace and safety" is about which Apostle Paul spoke of.
But for those us in Christ Jesus who remain faithful waiting on Jesus' coming, we will be hated, and some us killed. By that we know that time won't be a real peace, but the wicked and deceived will not think of the times that way.
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The "day of the Lord" will happen on the FINAL DAY of this world, not prior to the tribulation. You need to read 1 Thessalonians 5 more closely. Apostle Paul was teaching the "sudden destruction" upon the deceived who will be saying, "Peace and safety" is what ENDS it, and that is the "day of the Lord" event when Jesus comes to do battle.
I know the Pre-Trib Rapture doctors today are trying to move the "day of the Lord" event back in time to start before the tribulation, but they are lying. On the "day of the Lord" is when the elements of man's works are burned off this earth per Apostle Peter (2 Peter 3:10). Anyone who believes the tribulation begins when that burning happens is completely nuts.
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And that is correct. But the timing when that happens per God's Word, you have not been very accurate in stating. The specific "wrath" Apostle Paul was speaking of is God's cup of wrath poured out upon the wicked on the last day of this world.
Rev 16:19-21
19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath.
20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
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That's the specific wrath Apostle Paul was speaking of in 1 Thess.5 that we are not appointed to. That happens on the same day Jesus comes to gather His Church. It happens on the same day of the "day of the Lord". It is the "as a thief in the night" timing. It is the event of "sudden destruction" Apostle Paul said would come upon the deceived soon after they start saying, "Peace and safety". And because of the timing of all these events, it means Christ's Church will go through the coming tribulation. We aren't going anywhere until that final day of this world.
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