Wherein I catch a profession YEC in a lie 2.0

[_-iconoclast-_]

You asked a question and I answered it. I also explicitly explained in detail what reasoning lies behind the answer, but curiously - you didn't quote that part and instead choose to simply ignore it.

Hey there you magnificent hunter

My friend, I did not ask a question re absolute doubt yet my friend. Now im asking.

Please excuse me my dear. I did not refuse to take notice of your answers. I asked some questions and you gave me some answers. I read your answers and recognize that this is your position. Thank you for taking the time

Your replies have been noted. Good work.

That's on you, not me.

I gave you my answer. Upto you what you do with it.

You answered some questions indeed and gave explanations. No one is debating that my friend. You did well to explain your position.

Apparantly, you choose to ignore it and then reply with condescending undertone (cfr: the "doggy" thing).

Sorted. You would prefer not to be called doggy.

EDIT: also quite mentionworthy to note how you not only ignored my reasoning behind my answer to that single question... you also ignored everything else I wrote, which was quite a lot. So what's up with that?

You did write a lot. Very impressive. Your responses have been read.

Now lets continue with our discussion re certainty.




If there is no absolute certainty does this mean there is no absolute doubt?





Cheers

 

[DogmaHunter]

If there is no absolute certainty does this mean there is no absolute doubt?

I have no idea what you mean by that.

 

[_-iconoclast-_]

I have no idea what you mean by that.

Hey hey my new friend

As you said previously with your showering. You are certain you had a shower, however you are not absolutely certain you had one.

I assume you mean 100% certainty=absolute certainty friend?

Something that is able to be firmly relied on to happen or be the case. To have a firm conviction that something is the case. Lets reverse it my dear.

Is there something that can be absolutely(100%) unable to be firmly relied on?

Can you have an absolute (100%) firm conviction that something is not the case?

Thank you for your reply

 

[Jimmy D]

I have no idea what you mean by that.

It's his/her usual routine. Anything that isn't "100% certain" / "Absolute truth" can be rejected, I'd avoid that particular rabbit hole if I were you.

(No offence Iconoclast, I know you're a pleasant character).

 

[_-iconoclast-_]

It's his/her usual routine. Anything that isn't "100% certain" / "Absolute truth" can be rejected, I'd avoid that particular rabbit hole if I were you.

(No offence Iconoclast, I know you're a pleasant character).

Hey hey james .

What u think about the question posed to mr dogmahunter?

Cheers for the kind words. No tricks here (or for rabbits)

 

[Jimmy D]

Hey hey james .

What u think about the question posed to mr dogmahunter?

Cheers for the kind words. No tricks here (or for rabbits)

Benjamin Franklin said "in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes".

I'd disagree slightly as I could go and live off the land in a remote cave in Patagonia or somewhere and avoid paying taxes.

So maybe the only 100% certainty is death.

There's a cheery thought for a Tuesday morning.

 

[_-iconoclast-_]

Benjamin Franklin said "in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes".

I'd disagree slightly as I could go and live of the land in a remote cave in Patagonia or somewhere and avoid paying taxes.

So maybe the only 100% certainty is death.

There's a cheery thought for a Tuesday morning.

Thank you for the reply jim

So there is something that can be firmly relied on. Absolute firm conviction.

Death.

Is that the only one? Surely there must be more my friend?

 

[Jimmy D]

Thank you for the reply jim

So there is something that can be firmly relied on. Absolute firm conviction.

Death.

Is that the only one? Surely there must be more my friend?

Who knows?

 

[DogmaHunter]

Hey hey my new friend

As you said previously with your showering. You are certain you had a shower, however you are not absolutely certain you had one.

I assume you mean 100% certainty=absolute certainty friend?

Yes. As in: impossible to be wrong about it.

Something that is able to be firmly relied on to happen or be the case. To have a firm conviction that something is the case. Lets reverse it my dear.

No, I wouldn't say it like that. I can have strong convictions and still be wrong.
That's what I understand by the term "absolute" in "absolute certainty": impossible of being wrong.

When it is possible to be wrong, no matter how unlikely, then it is not "absolutely certain".

Is there something that can be absolutely(100%) unable to be firmly relied on?

I again don't understand what that means.

Can you have an absolute (100%) firm conviction that something is not the case?

Are you asking if one can be absolutely certain that some proposition is incorrect?
I'ld have to say yes.

Something that is disproven, is absolutely incorrect. Since it has just been disproven.

For example, I can claim that throwing a cat down from the Eiffel Tower will not harm the cat and it will simply land on his feet unharmed.

One could test that by throwing a cat down from the tower. It will be an instant kill when it touches the ground. So the statement above, as written, will have been conclusively disproven.


To paraphrase some scientist (I forget who said it):
"Science can't tell you what is absolutely correct. But it CAN tell you what it is absolutely false. In a real way, we could say that science isn't in the business of proving things. Rather, it is in the business of disproving things. When I come up with a hypothesis and then design an experiment to test that hypothesis.... I'm not trying to show it correct. Instead, I'm trying to show it wrong. If the idea says "if A and B, then Z", I'll design my experiment in such a way to try to make A and B result in anything but Z. Failing to do so, is the best support I could ever give to my hypothesis."

 

[_-iconoclast-_]

Yes. As in: impossible to be wrong about it.

Hey hey dh

Jimmie d has suggested that death is an absolute certainty?

What do you think?

Cheers

 

[_-iconoclast-_]

Who knows?

Hello jimmy d.

Thank you for your kind words and participation. See you round.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Hey hey dh

Jimmie d has suggested that death is an absolute certainty?

What do you think?

Cheers

What if later today some scientist finds a method to reverse aging?

 

[_-iconoclast-_]

What if later today some scientist finds a method to reverse aging?

Hey my dear

That is however a what if. At this present time the ageing process cannot be reversed - please correct me if im wrong.

Do you believe your death is certain but not absolutely certain?

 

[Larniavc]

The gifts of God are irrevocable.

Unless you get ran over and get locked in syndrome.

Or get smote by a terminal disease.

Etc.

 

[_-iconoclast-_]

Unless you get ran over and get locked in syndrome.

Or get smote by a terminal disease.

Etc.

Hey there friend. Care to join in? Do you agree with jimmie d?

Is death an absolute certainty?

 

[DogmaHunter]

Hey my dear
That is however a what if. At this present time the ageing process cannot be reversed - please correct me if im wrong.
Do you believe your death is certain but not absolutely certain?

At present time, sure. It's the what if's that make it not absolute generally, though

 

[_-iconoclast-_]

At present time, sure. It's the what if's that make it not absolute generally, though

Hey there. Thank you for your reply.

So if scientists were to reverse the ageing process could that result in immortality?

Edit
Do you believe it could be possible in the future (or later today) that humans could live for millions of years

 

[Larniavc]

Is death an absolute certainty?

Hiya!

It seems to be the case.

 

[Larniavc]

Do you believe it could be possible in the future (or later today) that humans could live for millions of years

I think that some accident would get you in the end. Even if it took a trillions of years, something would get you.

 

[HitchSlap]

I’m maximally certain death is inevitable.