Immigrants take over California.

[Aldebaran]

The term "immigrant" is used most widely, particularly by people like the OP, as a term of insult, with an intentional conflation between illegal and legal, and an open dislike of what is represented by the word. If only those brown people would just GO AWAY.

That conflation goes both ways. More often than not, it's those supporting the illegals who simply refer to them as immigrants in order to lump them all together in an argument. If they're not doing that, then they refer to them as simply "undocumented".

 

[Landon Caeli]

They're illegal aliens.

 

[SolomonVII]

That conflation goes both ways. More often than not, it's those supporting the illegals who simply refer to them as immigrants in order to lump them all together in an argument. If they're not doing that, then they refer to them as simply "undocumented".

The law in question is aimed at "undocumented" but specifically uses the term "immigrant". Documented immigrants are of no interest to this law.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

That seems to be the problem.

How is that the problem. I love when, I see Mexicans have big birthday parties and being family oriented. I don't care if a lot of tan or black people live by me. I don't go asking to see their green card. So I assume they are legal. To be honest, I don't really care.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

The big problem will arise when they start voting to give themselves a lot of "free" stuff. They won't care where the money will come from. Some of them won't even know. There was a lady on TV who said "Why are these Republicans comlaining about all the the free stuff I get from the taxpayers. I don't get a dime from the taxpayers. All the stuff I get comes from the government."

Yes, I was amused when I seen a trump fan complaining about Trump cutting their program out. A typical conservative using the system to get free stuff. But votes for the very man, that said he was going to take money from these programs.

 

[mala]

Yes, I was amused when I seen a trump fan complaining about Trump cutting their program out. A typical conservative using the system to get free stuff. But votes for the very man, that said he was going to take money from these programs.

ironic because this president pandered for votes on "saving" the dying coal industry.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

How is that the problem. I love when, I see Mexicans have big birthday parties and being family oriented. I don't care if a lot of tan or black people live by me. I don't go asking to see their green card. So I assume they are legal. To be honest, I don't really care.

The point of my comment was chain migration.

Mexicans do have big birthday parties. I provided 50 folding chairs for them when they had parties in the basement of my apartment building. (All my tenants were minorities; 7 Latino families and 1 from Ghana.)

 

[Aryeh Jay]

I remember hearing something about a bunch of armed illegals that entered California, took over jobs, and even killed some of the local population. I think it was around 1846.

 

[KCfromNC]

ironic because this president pandered for votes on "saving" the dying coal industry.

And using government money to make it harder for companies to export jobs (which they ended up doing anyway).

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I remember hearing something about a bunch of armed illegals that entered California, took over jobs, and even killed some of the local population. I think it was around 1846.

The Spanish had done most of the killing (of native Indians) before then. Few Spaniards were killed in the "Conquest of California" by the United States in 1846.

 

[SolomonVII]

The Spanish had done most of the killing (of native Indians) before then. Few Spaniards were killed in the "Conquest of California" by the United States in 1846.

True enough.

 

[MrSpikey]

My point in picking that number is that its one that everyone should be able to agree definitely is a point where a family can't be reasonably described as "immigrants." The purpose of my post was not to define the exact boundary of when a family ceases to be immigrants, and I don't know how any reasonable person could read my post and think that that was the purpose of it. Rather, the purpose of my post was to argue that calling America "A Nation of Immigrants" was nonsense. To do that all I need are examples of Americans who are most certainly not immigrants.

As for how many generations it takes for a family to cease being an immigrant family, I don't think that there is a precise answer. A lot of it depends on additional questions such as: does the family attempt to assimilate into the surrounding culture? Do family members marry members of the surrounding culture or do they marry members of their ancestors' culture? How similar is the culture of where the family has emigrated form to the surrounding culture? In particular, does it share a common language or a common religion?

In some rare cases I imagine that the sons and daughters of immigrants could be members of the surrounding cultures. I suspect that the time where it happens for most families is the fourth generations. But it would be a different answer from family to family.

You identified two groups in the posts I quoted - Americans and "Americans". I suggested a basis that you might use to distinguish them, but your reply doesn't address "Americans" at all. What's an "American"? How are they different from Americans?

 

[MrSpikey]

Continue relying on the constitutional system, which is the basis of the American republic.

Pure "democracy" (voting) is often 'mob rule', which seems to be the case in California

So you are saying State voting rules are mandated in the Constitution?

 

[TLK Valentine]

I'm not an immigrant. I'm a native-born American and so are all my family going back over 200 years.

Anchor babies, then.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

So you are saying State voting rules are mandated in the Constitution?

In the Constitution of that State, yes.

 

[Tallguy88]

Anchor babies, then.

They were legal immigrants. The children of legal immigrants are not anchor babies. In fact, they were here before the Fourteenth Amendment, so there were no anchor babies back then.

 

[Aldebaran]

They were legal immigrants. The children of legal immigrants are not anchor babies. In fact, they were here before the Fourteenth Amendment, so there were no anchor babies back then.

Correct! An "anchor baby" is a child that an illegal immigrant has when they come here in order to use the baby as an "anchor" to keep themselves here rather than be deported due to their child being born in the USA and now needs his/her mother to be here as well. Some of these anchor babies are now referred to as "dreamers".

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Correct! An "anchor baby" is a child that an illegal immigrant has when they come here in order to use the baby as an "anchor" to keep themselves here rather than be deported due to their child being born in the USA and now needs his/her mother to be here as well. Some of these anchor babies are now referred to as "dreamers".

The solution to that is simple,

Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondwoman and her son: for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, even with Isaac. Genesis 21:10

 

[Desk trauma]

Correct! An "anchor baby" is a child that an illegal immigrant has when they come here in order to use the baby as an "anchor" to keep themselves here rather than be deported due to their child being born in the USA and now needs his/her mother to be here as well. Some of these anchor babies are now referred to as "dreamers".

Except they aren’t. The "dreamers" are illegal immigrants brought into the US as children not citizen children of illegal immigrants.

 

[Aldebaran]

The solution to that is simple,

Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondwoman and her son: for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, even with Isaac. Genesis 21:10

The problem with that when it comes to anchor babies is that the baby is technically a US citizen because they were actually born here. That's why the pregnant mother would come here to have the baby. As for the "dreamers", it's a different story.