Immigrants take over California.

[MoonlessNight]

You identified two groups in the posts I quoted - Americans and "Americans". I suggested a basis that you might use to distinguish them, but your reply doesn't address "Americans" at all. What's an "American"? How are they different from Americans?

Do you believe that nations of people are actual things that really exist? Or do you take a nominalist position that nationalities are just things that we ascribe to people if they themselves describe themselves that way?

For example, if a man who grew up in Germany, and whose family lived in Germany for dozens of generations before him, got a job as a teacher in Japan and began living there, would you say that his native neighbors are "Japanese" in a way that he is not and never will be?

A lot of people seem to take the position that nations are falsehoods and people are whatever we call them. For an extreme version of this position, Angela Merkel once made the claim that anyone who happens to physically be in Germany is as German as anyone else.

I can't reach someone who holds such a position, in the same way that I could not reach someone who claimed that when you dropped a ball that it would fly into space. At a certain level if you can't recognize the existence of basic features of the universe, logic can't help you out.

But it could be that you do recognize the existence of nations, in which case explanation is possible.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

The problem with that when it comes to anchor babies is that the baby is technically a US citizen because they were actually born here. That's why the pregnant mother would come here to have the baby. As for the "dreamers", it's a different story.

That law should be changed as well.

 

[dude99]

California AG: 'We will prosecute' employers who violate sanctuary laws

This is what happens when a state has so many immigrants that they control the political process by sheer number of liberal voters. This warning was sounded years ago in my home state by a Latino school board president who stated publically that in a few years the minority community would get everything it wanted through the vote, as their population would become so great that local politics would be controlled by them and their sympathizers. That day has arrived in California.

Well Texas also has so many immigrants as well but it is a strong Republican stronghold. I bet a significant number of immigrants there vote Republican as well.

Florida is a swing state and still lots of immigrants including Latinos vote Republican.

 

[Aldebaran]

Well Texas also has so many immigrants as well but it is a strong Republican stronghold. I bet a significant number of immigrants there vote Republican as well.

Florida is a swing state and still lots of immigrants including Latinos vote Republican.

There's evidence that Texas might not stay a Republican stronghold. Will Trump’s Disastrous Presidency Turn Texas Blue?

It's possible that the immigrants there are having an impact on that state as well.

 

[dude99]

There's evidence that Texas might not stay a Republican stronghold. Will Trump’s Disastrous Presidency Turn Texas Blue?

It's possible that the immigrants there are having an impact on that state as well.

Well it could be a swing state in the future, just like Florida. However Texas will not turn like California, as Texas is still more rural than California and the rural votes have bigger impact than California. In addition Texas is dependent on Oil money, and with it unlike California does not have state taxes and it attracts the anti tax crowd. Also the White Evangelical vote in Texas is bigger than the White Evangelical vote in California.

 

[TLK Valentine]

There's evidence that Texas might not stay a Republican stronghold. Will Trump’s Disastrous Presidency Turn Texas Blue?

Just wait until he starts taking their land away for his wall...

It's possible that the immigrants there are having an impact on that state as well.

Quite possibly -- legal ones, of course, else how could they be affecting the politics?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Well Texas also has so many immigrants as well but it is a strong Republican stronghold. I bet a significant number of immigrants there vote Republican as well.

Texas was a Dem stronghold until 1980 and Reagan.
Texas Presidential Election Voting History

Florida is a swing state and still lots of immigrants including Latinos vote Republican.

Trump barely won Florida. Apparently there were more "never Hillary" voters than "never Trump" voters.

"The 2016 United States presidential election in Florida was won by Donald Trump on November 8, 2016 with a plurality of 49.0% of the popular vote that included a 1.2% winning margin over Hillary Clinton, who had 47.8% of the vote. Florida's 29 electoral votes were assigned to Trump."

 

[Aldebaran]

Just wait until he starts taking their land away for his wall...

Those in Texas along the border are very likely the people who want the wall the most. Think about it.

 

[mala]

Those in Texas along the border are very likely the people who want the wall the most. Think about it.

hmmmm
or better yet instead wasting time with empty "thinking" let's see what residents have actually said.

Along the border, many Texans support President Trump but don't want a wall

Many Texans who live along the U.S.-Mexico border support President Donald Trump, but their affection for the New York real estate mogul-turned-politician comes with a caveat:

They do not want a wall.

Border wall could leave some Americans on 'Mexican side'

Many people living in the valley say the fence doesn't work, and there's widespread opposition there to a bigger wall. While the region is one of the Texas Democratic Party's few strongholds in a deeply conservative state, many people here resent outsiders and politicians of both parties for using the border as a talking point. The 2006 law authorizing a fence passed with support from many Democrats, including then-Sen. Hillary Clinton, who lost to Trump in November.

 

[dude99]

Texas was a Dem stronghold until 1980 and Reagan.
Texas Presidential Election Voting History




Trump barely won Florida. Apparently there were more "never Hillary" voters than "never Trump" voters.

"The 2016 United States presidential election in Florida was won by Donald Trump on November 8, 2016 with a plurality of 49.0% of the popular vote that included a 1.2% winning margin over Hillary Clinton, who had 47.8% of the vote. Florida's 29 electoral votes were assigned to Trump."

Actually a majority of Cuban Americans voted for Trump and a majority of Cubans live in Florida. However other Latino groups mostly voted for Hillary in Florida. However Florida like I stated is a swing state.

 

[Aldebaran]

Actually a majority of Cuban Americans voted for Trump and a majority of Cubans live in Florida. However other Latino groups mostly voted for Hillary in Florida. However Florida like I stated is a swing state.

Wisconsin became a swing state in the last election. Almost always voted democrat in the past, but this time went for Trump.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Those in Texas along the border are very likely the people who want the wall the most. Think about it.

Possibly -- but are they willing to give up their own land for it?

I vaguely remember something about messing with Texas... something about it being a bad idea...

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Wisconsin became a swing state in the last election. Almost always voted democrat in the past, but this time went for Trump.

Proud Wisconsin citizen (at last). I can't tell you how humiliating it is to live in a 'forward' thinking state (talk about your 'contradictions') that has consistently voted Democrat in presidential elections.

 

[Aldebaran]

Possibly -- but are they willing to give up their own land for it?

I vaguely remember something about messing with Texas... something about it being a bad idea...

Ah, yes! It goes something like, "Don't mess with Texas, including crossing over the border onto our property and vandalizing and stealing". Although I'm pretty sure Texans aren't the only people in America who are opposed to trespassers doing things like that. https://www.texasmonthly.com/politics/the-battle-for-the-border/

 

[Aldebaran]

Proud Wisconsin citizen (at last). I can't tell you how humiliating it is to live in a 'forward' thinking state (talk about your 'contradictions') that has consistently voted Democrat in presidential elections.

I've always wondered about that myself. For quite awhile, we've had a Republican governor, yet the state votes for democrats for president most of the time.

 

[TLK Valentine]

The problem with that when it comes to anchor babies is that the baby is technically a US citizen because they were actually born here. That's why the pregnant mother would come here to have the baby.

... thinking that her baby will keep her from being deported. It won't.

Family gets caught, they all get sent back, so as not to break up the family. The child, being a US citizen, is allowed to return on their 18th/21st (forget which) birthday -- The parents, however, are still out.

As for the "dreamers", it's a different story.

Right -- they're in a more legally ambiguous situation -- while they were brought here by illegal means, it wasn't their crime. The Dream ACT (and after its failure, DACA) was an attempt by the government to acknowledge this and offer a compromise. Those who registered accepted that compromise as preferable to the alternative -- a lifetime in hiding.

Every single DACA recipient has learned English, paid taxes, gotten a job, taken nothing from the government (DACA recipients are ineligible for welfare), and have stayed out of trouble with the law. These are the "illegals" the GOP wants to deport, because they've already registered themselves with the government, and thus are easy enough to find. And nothing fires up the base like an easy "victory" -- even a hollow one.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

It would be interesting to know how many applicants for DACA were turned down for not qualifying in regard to education, employment, and criminal history.

Anyway the DACA kids aren't going anywhere. They will receive amnesty which will open a floodgate of illegals, which must be dealt with by better border and internal security.

 

[TLK Valentine]

It would be interesting to know how many applicants for DACA were turned down for not qualifying in regard to education, employment, and criminal history.

Not too many, I would suspect -- those with a criminal history aren't about to go running to register themselves with the government, regardless of where they're from.

Anyway the DACA kids aren't going anywhere. They will receive amnesty which will open a floodgate of illegals, which must be dealt with by better border and internal security.

How so?

Besides, some 40,000 DACA recipients already got their permanent status, no floodgates, as far as I've seen:

The DACA program doesn’t provide a path to citizenship, and even though recipients have deportation deferred, they still do not have lawful status. However, about 40,000 former DACA recipients did go on to get their green cards, becoming lawful permanent residents. How? A spokeswoman for USCIS, Claire K. Nicholson, confirmed to FactCheck.org that the 40,000 people used what’s called “advance parole,” under which DACA recipients could get permission (after applying and paying a $575 fee) to travel abroad for humanitarian, educational and employment purposes. Once they returned to the U.S., they were entering the country legally. Typically with unlawful status, an immigrant would have to return to his or her home country and apply for a green card there.

Those applying for green cards would have to be eligible under one of several categories, including family — such as marrying a U.S. citizen — and employment.

SOURCE: The Facts on DACA - FactCheck.org

 

[MoonlessNight]

I agree that it's a bit ridiculous to worry about the "floodgates opening" on illegal immigration, because they already are open.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I agree that it's a bit ridiculous to worry about the "floodgates opening" on illegal immigration, because they already are open.

They will now enter with impunity.