LDS Joseph Smith Started a False Religion

[Rescued One]

Really?

The wording in that quote is a little off, but the principle has been repeatedly taught:

"What blessings await those who live worthy of exaltation? (Godhood, having all things subject to them, having angels subject to them, having all power, living with Jesus.)
Point out that just as Jesus Christ was promised all that the Father has, we can also receive all power and dominion, becoming creators of other spirits and other worlds."
“Lesson 29: Exaltation,” Young Women Manual 2, 1993, p. 110

"We educate ourselves in the secular field and in the spiritual field so that we may one day create worlds, people and govern them."
The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, ed. Edward L. Kimball [1982], p. 386

“The Father has promised us that through our faithfulness we shall be blessed with the fullness of his kingdom. In other words, we will have the privilege of becoming like him. To become like him we must have all the powers of godhood; thus a man and his wife when glorified will have spirit children who eventually will go on an earth like this one we are on and pass through the same kind of experiences, being subject to mortal conditions, and if faithful, then they also will receive the fullness of exaltation and partake of the same blessings. There is no end to this development; it will go on forever. We will become gods and have jurisdiction over worlds, and these worlds will be peopled by our own offspring.”
Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation Vol. 2, p.48, (also quoted in
Achieving a Celestial Marriage, copyright 1976, Corporation of the President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, p. 197)

"Then will they become Gods...they will never cease to increase and to multiply, worlds without end. When they receive their crowns, their dominions, they then will be prepared to frame earths like unto ours and to people them in the same manner as we have been brought forth by our parents, by our Father and God.”
Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 17:143

"As shown in this chapter, our Father in heaven was once a man as we are now, capable of physical death. By obedience to eternal gospel principles, he progressed from one stage of life to another until he attained the state that we call exaltation or godhood. In such a condition, he and our mother in heaven were empowered to give birth to spirit children whose potential was equal to that of their heavenly parents. We are those spirit children.”
Achieving a Celestial Marriage, copyright 1976, Corporation of the President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, p. 132

“[A] man and his wife when glorified will have spirit children who eventually will go on an earth like this one we are on and pass through the same kind of experiences, being subject to mortal conditions, and if faithful, then they also will receive the fullness of exaltation and partake of the same blessings. There is no end to this development; it will go on forever. We will become gods and have jurisdiction over worlds, and these worlds will be peopled by our own offspring.”
Doctrines of the Gospel, Student Manual, 1986; also see Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 1955, v. 2, p. 48

"That great blessing of celestial glory could never have come to us without a period of time in mortality, and so we came here in this mortal world. We are in school, the mortal school, to gain the experiences, the training, the joys, and the sufferings that we partake of, that we might be educated in all these things and be prepared, if we are faithful and true to the commandments of the Lord, to become sons and daughters of God, joint heirs with Jesus Christ; and in His presence to go on to a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever, and perhaps through our faithfulness to have the opportunity of building worlds and peopling them."
Joseph Fielding Smith, “Adam’s Role in Bringing Us Mortality,” General Conference, Oct. 1976, reprinted in Liahona, Jan. 2006



2012:

"Do Latter-day Saints believe that they will “get their own planet”?

No. This idea is not taught in Latter-day Saint scripture, nor is it a doctrine of the Church. This misunderstanding stems from speculative comments unreflective of scriptural doctrine. Mormons believe that we are all sons and daughters of God and that all of us have the potential to grow during and after this life to become like our Heavenly Father (see Romans 8:16-17). The Church does not and has never purported to fully understand the specifics of Christ’s statement that “in my Father’s house are many mansions” (John 14:2)."

Mormon Newsroom FAQ

 

[Rescued One]

How do you pop out a spiritual being????

You must have a body of flesh and bones without blood.

 

[Peter1000]

No, no, no. You can promote that till doomsday and never believe the truth, but truth will stand on Judgment Day.

Then you must answer the question: what is the difference in the milk of the gospel and the meat of the gospel. The bible tells us there is milk and meat. The meat was never given, or only in obscure scriptures that mainline Christians have a hard time explaining. So your challenge is to give me the difference between the milk and the meat.

 

[Rescued One]

Then you must answer the question: what is the difference in the milk of the gospel and the meat of the gospel. The bible tells us there is milk and meat. The meat was never given, or only in obscure scriptures that mainline Christians have a hard time explaining. So your challenge is to give me the difference between the milk and the meat.

1 Corinthians 3
1And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. 2I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. 3For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? 4For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?

The meat is putting into practice the things we've been taught.

1 Peter 2
2As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:

Hebrews 5
13For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

Ephesians 5
15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.
17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

 

[Peter1000]

You must have a body of flesh and bones without blood.

The question is how do you pop out a spiritual being????????

 

[Rescued One]

The question is how do you pop out a spiritual being????????

Have you not watched the birth of a child?

 

[Peter1000]

1 Corinthians 3
1And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. 2I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. 3For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? 4For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?

The meat is putting into practice the things we've been taught.

1 Peter 2
2As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:

Hebrews 5
13For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

Ephesians 5
15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.
17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

Sorry, the bible is a bright path as to putting into practice the things we've been taught.
With an emphasis on 'things we've been taught' (milk).

The meat of the gospel envelopes those things that could not be taught because the people would not have received them. They would have rebelled. If they were having problems with the milk of the gospel, what do you think they would have thought of having to do the meat of the gospel.
To know how they would have felt about the meat, look at yourself. You have told me that the temple is a burden that is unecessarily put on the Mormons. That is just 1 simple worship service, and you have a fit about having to go to the temple to worship Jesus on a higher level, and to committ to live the commandments on a higher level. Again, this is just 1 simple worship service that you have complained that Mormons have to do.
That is exactly the attitude that Paul ran into as he tried to go from the milk to the meat. He finally had to give up or loose the church.

 

[Peter1000]

Have you not watched the birth of a child?

And so you relate the birth of a mortal baby to popping out spiritual beings?????

 

[Jane_Doe]

No proof Jesus existed? How can one have the Spirit of Christ in them and Not know He lives? You are outside of the faith.

The meaning of the quote was that Kant can't prove Christ exists (using Kant's methods). We certainly believe that Christ lived. The ultimate proof of this (and His divinity) is found through the Spirit (and not Kant).

 

[Jane_Doe]

Alma 3:6

Does not refer to anyone of African descent, not does it contradict anything I said. Context of things is super important for understanding.

 

[Jonathan Leo]

Does not refer to anyone of African descent, not does it contradict anything I said. Context of things is super important for understanding.

Your right, please, can you tell us the meaning of that passage of Mormon scripture?

 

[mmksparbud]

Become one with God and like God. We never replace Him.

The following posts give completely false information and are just slanderous:

Slanderous my foot.
Requirements for Exaltation
The time to fulfill the requirements for exaltation is now (see Alma 34:32–34). President Joseph Fielding Smith said, “In order to obtain the exaltation we must accept the gospel and all its covenants; and take upon us the obligations which the Lord has offered; and walk in the light and the understanding of the truth; and ‘live by every word that proceedeth forth from the mouth of God’” (Doctrines of Salvation, 2:43).

To be exalted, we first must place our faith in Jesus Christ and then endure in that faith to the end of our lives. Our faith in Him must be such that we repent of our sins and obey His commandments.

He commands us all to receive certain ordinances:

1. We must be baptized.
   
   
2. We must receive the laying on of hands to be confirmed a member of the Church of Jesus Christ and to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
   
   
3. Brethren must receive the Melchizedek Priesthood and magnify their callings in the priesthood.
   
   
4. We must receive the temple endowment.
   
   
5. We must be married for eternity, either in this life or in the next.

In addition to receiving the required ordinances, the Lord commands all of us to:

1. Love God and our neighbors.
   
   
2. Keep the commandments.
   
   
3. Repent of our wrongdoings.
   
   
4. Search out our kindred dead and receive the saving ordinances of the gospel for them.
   
   
5. Attend our Church meetings as regularly as possible so we can renew our baptismal covenants by partaking of the sacrament.
   
   
6. Love our family members and strengthen them in the ways of the Lord.
   
   
7. Have family and individual prayers every day.
   
   
8. Teach the gospel to others by word and example.
   
   
9. Study the scriptures.
   
   
10. Listen to and obey the inspired words of the prophets of the Lord.

Finally, each of us needs to receive the Holy Ghost and learn to follow His direction in our individual lives.

• Joseph Smith taught: “It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the Character of God. … He was once a man like us; … God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, sel. Joseph Fielding Smith [1976], 345–46).

19 And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and everlasting covenant, and it is sealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of promise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the keys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit thrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s Book of Life, that he shall commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their exaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever and ever.

20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them.


I could not copy /paste this from the Journal of Discourses Vol. 6. Page 275 by Brigham Young
You can read for yourselves. When men become Gods, they will have their worlds, and the first thing they must do as Adam to that world is to have his Eve and propagate their spirit children.
If they have had several wives on this earth that they were sealed to---they will have them there. First order of business for all the wives is to have children.


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Got this part:
""After men have got their exaltations and their crowns -- have become Gods, even the sons of God -- are made Kings of kings and Lords of lords, they have the power then of propagating their species in spirit; and that is the first of their operations with regard to organizing a world. **Power is then given to them to organize the elements, and then commence the organization of tabernacles**. How can they do it? Have they to go to that earth? Yes, an Adam will have to go there, and he cannot do without Eve; he must have Eve to commence the work of generation, and they will go into the garden, and continue to eat and drink of the fruits of the corporeal world, until this grosser matter is diffused sufficiently through their celestial bodies to enable them, according to the established laws, to produce mortal tabernacles for their spiritual children.""

 

[Rescued One]

Sorry, the bible is a bright path as to putting into practice the things we've been taught.
With an emphasis on 'things we've been taught' (milk).

The meat of the gospel envelopes those things that could not be taught because the people would not have received them. They would have rebelled.

You do not know that they would have rebelled. You're being judgmental.

If they were having problems with the milk of the gospel, what do you think they would have thought of having to do the meat of the gospel.
To know how they would have felt about the meat, look at yourself.

Why are you insinuating that I'm rebellious? Is that what you've been taught about people who leave because the teachings are false?

You have told me that the temple is a burden that is unecessarily put on the Mormons.

I have not said that. Stop looking for fault with me. The fault is that many people follow false teachers and think themselves worthy of more blessings than others.

That is just 1 simple worship service, and you have a fit about having to go to the temple to worship Jesus on a higher level, and to committ to live the commandments on a higher level. Again, this is just 1 simple worship service that you have complained that Mormons have to do.

Don't state that I complained without providing a quote where I did that. I never complained about a worship service, and furthermore, your statement about what happens in the temple is inaccurate.

That is exactly the attitude that Paul ran into as he tried to go from the milk to the meat. He finally had to give up or loose the church.

He did not go into detail nor did he say he had to give up or lose the church. That would go against what Christ taught.

Hebrews 13
5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

John 10
27My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

John 6
37All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. 38For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.39And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

Romans 8
26Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

28And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. 29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

31What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? 32He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? 33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. 34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Matthew 16
16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. 18And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

 

[Rescued One]

And so you relate the birth of a mortal baby to popping out spiritual beings?????

No, because God doesn't have a wife.

 

[Ironhold]

Since people are able to research, is Mormonism losing members? I've wondered.

Just the contrary.

You see, critics of the church are often one of our biggest recruitment tools.

In some instances, this is because people get to investigating the church *due to* what critics tell them, and in so doing they come to the conclusion that we're where they should be.

In other instances, critics behave in such an un-Christlike fashion that they drive people away from whatever religious organization the critic represents.

 

[Ironhold]

Is there any evidence that he did?

Those critics of the church making the negative assertion do indeed have the burden of proof on this one.

 

[Ironhold]

I read that he was killed in a shootout over some scam he was involved in

That's a common falsehood spread by critics of the church.

Contrary to popular belief, the protections afforded by the Bill of Rights didn't firmly extend below the federal level until a number of Supreme Court decisions in the late 1800s / early 1900s.

When a "nuisance" newspaper opened up in Nauvoo, Illinois, the city council referenced Illinois Common Law for a solution. The law stated that "nuisance" presses could indeed be seized, and so they tasked Joseph Smith - the mayor - to get the job done. Somehow, between the city council and the official Joseph Smith delegated to handle the task, "seize" became "destroy" and the press was smashed.

Joseph and his brother Hyrum were arrested over the matter, and thrown in jail. However, the guards manning the facility were members of the Carthage Grays, a militia unit known for their hatred of Mormons. Given that there were questions as to whether or not the unit would actually protect the prison if something happened, someone smuggled two pistols - a "pepper box" revolver and a single-shot number - into the prison in the event of a worst-case scenario.

Sure enough, when an armed mob arrived on-site, the guards put up only a token defense before abandoning their posts. This allowed the mob to storm the facility, at which point they tried to force their way into the room where Joseph and Hyrum were with a pair of guests. Despite the four's efforts to bar the door, the mob opened enough of a crack that they were able to fire a volley, killing Hyrum instantly.

At this point, it became clear that the mob didn't care who they killed so long as they killed Mormons (a mentality that, sadly, I still see to this day) and that the two guests were in as much danger as Joseph. As such, the decision was made to fire off the two pistols in the hopes of scattering those at the door. This failed, and the mob ultimately pushed through. The two guests were injured and left for dead, and Joseph was shot down while trying for a window.

There's a historical debate as to whether or not Joseph actually killed anyone with the pistols, with some accounts indicating that at least one mob member was killed while others - such as a court record - indicated that there were a number of suspects with suspicious gunshot wounds that could have been received from those pistols. The numbers given by the two sides are, combined, greater than the number of shots known to have been fired from those pistols, so one side or the other is not entirely correct.

 

[Ironhold]

Your church leaders tell us you are not Christians - you are a Latter-day Saint. Your leaders despised Christianity. What more authoritative source do you want? And now you want back in the club??

The full name of the church is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints".

Do you dispute this?

 

[Ironhold]

The gates of hell didn't destroy the foundation that Christ Himself spoke of. He is still the chief cornerstone.

Guess what: that's LDS theology, too.

The Atonement took away Satan's power to hold people. The Resurrection took away death's power to hold people. Boom.

As Dante so poetically put it, the Gates of Hell have been ripped off their hinges, never to be repaired.

 

[Ironhold]

There is only one God. So, how can Mormons believe that we too can be god's after death?

The Bible itself used "god" - note the little "g" - as a title for exalted beings, both mortal and immortal. However, these individuals are still lower in status than God himself.

This is a key distinction that many critics of the church miss when talking about our theology.