can demons move objects

[want-love]

conclusion. demons cant make sounds or move objects in the houses, only ignorant people tend to believe in that , that only happens in the horror movies

 

[dreadnought]

conclusion. demons cant make sounds or move objects in the houses, only ignorant people tend to believe in that , that only happens in the horror movies

I think use of the word "ignorant" might not be appropriate. Which one of us is all-knowing?

 

[Jonathan Leo]

We will arrange some counseling.

They tried but ended up insane, They said that I have serious problems and refused me help

 

[want-love]

I think use of the word "ignorant" might not be appropriate. Which one of us is all-knowing?

why hyper-wisdom

 

[Jonathan Leo]

conclusion. demons cant make sounds or move objects in the houses, only ignorant people tend to believe in that , that only happens in the horror movies

Yep, too many people watching too much television these days

 

[dreadnought]

They tried but ended up insane, They said that I have serious problems and refused me help

Who ended up insane - you or them? Anyway, if they refused you help, I guess you're off scot-free. (Yes, I hope you're pulling my leg.)

 

[dreadnought]

why hyper-wisdom

I thought it was a good answer. Who knows all that much about demons?

 

[Jonathan Leo]

Who ended up insane - you or them? Anyway, if they refused you help, I guess you're off scot-free. (Yes, I hope you're pulling my leg.)

They ended up insane, and I’m free to roam ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Of course I’m having you on, I’m not entirely mad ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

 

[dreadnought]

They ended up insane, and I’m free to roam ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Of course I’m having you on, I’m not entirely mad ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

I think we can arrange some counseling. We've been having some difficulty regulating the amount of electricity passing through the electrodes, but we'll get it straightened out before you arrive.

 

[Daniel Marsh]

Demons are the most powerful beings confined to planet Earth today. Nothing even gets close. They can move, destroy, manufacture anything they wish.

Nothing -- absolutely nothing beyond their ability and power. They can take on any form they wish - they can doppleganger your close relative and you would not know the difference. They can be visible or not. In their native form we would view them as giants - over 10 feet.

Think of the Eterntainment industry "alien" movie narratives - all sorts of aliens - Demons are more powerful in every way. They once were sinless angels. They easily stand in for the "gods" in the pagan religions.



Which is a mere drop in the bucket of what they can do IF the restraints of God were removed.


Don't mess with them.

But sinless Angels empowered by God -- are even more powerful.

The only reason that demons do not totally wipe out all Christianity and enslave mankind fully, physically ... literally... is because God's loyal sinless angels are more powerful and He won't allow it. God the Son - Jesus Christ is commander of the Hosts of heaven. See Rev 19. Nothing can beat Him.

Jude 1:9
Even the archangel Michael, when he argued with the Devil and fought over the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him. Instead, he said, “May the Lord rebuke you!”

Daniel 10:13
But the prince of the Persian kingdom resisted me twenty-one days. Then Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, because I was detained there with the king of Persia.

 

[BobRyan]

Jude 1:9
Even the archangel Michael, when he argued with the Devil and fought over the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him. Instead, he said, “May the Lord rebuke you!”

Daniel 10:13
But the prince of the Persian kingdom resisted me twenty-one days. Then Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, because I was detained there with the king of Persia.

Thanks for quoting that - but I am not sure what point you are making except that these are examples of the warfare that is going on all around us.

 

[BobRyan]

conclusion. demons cant make sounds or move objects in the houses, only ignorant people tend to believe in that , that only happens in the horror movies

Your quoting yourself.. you knew that right?

 

[BobRyan]

You are in slight error,
Demons can and have done, possessed humans. They can interact with humans (take possession)
What Acts 19:11-20 doesn’t show is demons throwing objects. Demons need bodies and cannot interact on a physical level without one.

I too have seen demons, and cast them out, and I’m telling you straight up, they cannot interact with objects. If they could, we would all be in trouble.

The witch in 1 Sam 28 also had a lot of information from a demon - but that information was false.
Eve was getting information directly from a demon in Genesis 3 - and that information was false.

Satan takes Christ up to a high mountain and shows him all the cities of the world in Matthew 4
Satan takes Christ to the pinnacle of the temple and temps him to throw himself down.

Demons have the ability to move any object and do anything they want. But God restrains them from doing it -- at least to some extent.

You are correct to conclude that mankind would either be wiped out or enslaved under the condition that demons use their full power to do stuff in real life - like a regular person... but "for now" God restrains them because God wants a "free will " universe and Satan has to "play by the rules".

Christ said that Satan was demanding permission from God to sift Peter like wheat - but Christ was praying for Peter that he would not fail.

In Job 1 Satan complains that he has many evil plans ready to go with Job - but God is placing a hedge of protection around Job and Satan cannot get through it.

 

[RDKirk]

Demons have been around a lot longer than us. They have a 6000 year advantage of knowledge about us. They know mankind better than mankind knows itself.
Demons know what ticks our boxes, they also know what upsets us, annoys us, makes us angry etc etc.
They rule this world,and look around you, everything that’s acceptable in the world is in complete rebellion to God,
That said, demons cannot interact in this world per say, they need bodies. They interact with the minds of man and it’s man who commits evil.
Please note that it is God who controls the devil and demons.
Jesus cast out demons
Job couldn’t be harmed by Satan unless God allowed him to do it.
So the answer is No, to your question, but rest assured a human that’s possessed, or his mind is run by a demon can throw objects lol

While I basically agree with you, I wouldn't say a demon has less inherent power to directly affect material things than an angel does, and an angel definitely does (such as moving the stone of Jesus' tomb).

Satan apparently caused a storm to afflict Job, and then was given permission to directly afflict Job's flesh. Michael disputed Satan over possession of Moses' corpse...presumably Satan could have done something with it, or there would have been nothing to dispute about.

The only thing we can infer is that possibly God curtails that power in demons at least most of the time, but that can only be an inference, not an assertion.

 

[want-love]

The witch in 1 Sam 28 also had a lot of information from a demon - but that information was false.
Eve was getting information directly from a demon in Genesis 3 - and that information was false.

Satan takes Christ up to a high mountain and shows him all the cities of the world in Matthew 4
Satan takes Christ to the pinnacle of the temple and temps him to throw himself down.

Demons have the ability to move any object and do anything they want. But God restrains them from doing it -- at least to some extent.

You are correct to conclude that mankind would either be wiped out or enslaved under the condition that demons use their full power to do stuff in real life - like a regular person... but "for now" God restrains them because God wants a "free will " universe and Satan has to "play by the rules".

Christ said that Satan was demanding permission from God to sift Peter like wheat - but Christ was praying for Peter that he would not fail.

In Job 1 Satan complains that he has many evil plans ready to go with Job - but God is placing a hedge of protection around Job and Satan cannot get through it.

satan is different to the rest of demons

 

[Jonathan Leo]

While I basically agree with you, I wouldn't say a demon has less inherent power to directly affect material things than an angel does, and an angel definitely does (such as moving the stone of Jesus' tomb).

Satan apparently caused a storm to afflict Job, and then was given permission to directly afflict Job's flesh. Michael disputed Satan over possession of Moses' corpse...presumably Satan could have done something with it, or there would have been nothing to dispute about.

The only thing we can infer is that possibly God curtails that power in demons at least most of the time, but that can only be an inference, not an assertion.

I’d have a guess at Satan wanting Moses body so He or any other demon could posses it.

And God totally controls what demons or what Satan is allowed to do. Satan is Gods devil, remember that. I believe God calls the shots on what they can or cannot do. After all, God is the only person that’s Omni.
Yes God allowed Satan to inflict Job, but see how Satan said “I can’t touch him because he has Your hands around him” It was God who took away Jobs protection and even at that, Satan couldn’t kill Him because God said so
.
Satan can’t inflict us physically because God doesn’t allow it apart from the exception of Job and a few other stories in the Bible. I believe God did allow Satan to interact on these occurrences to show us the bigger picture, after all, it’s Gods book and He is the author. He can pretty much bring or do anything He wishes. It’s His story.
What I get from the first 2 chapters of Job is,
God is the boss, the devil and demons are powerless to obey Him, God protects His children, God allows bad things to happen to us if He wills, and suprisenly, Satan walks around in heaven.
Anyway, back on topic,
If He did allow satan and demons to physically interact, mankind would be in serious serious trouble and all would suffer just like Job.
Yes Satan has his power over a lot of mankind because of sin, but Satan isn’t exactly forcing us physically, but because of sin, and his tactics and temptations for us to sin, mankind are led astray, or in other words they fall under sins power. Everything on this planet has the ability to turn us from God because it’s satans kingdom. But just as God gave us free will, it’s up to us to choose which path do we go.
Il end on a simple truth to think over and how people should realise that demons or Satan cannot physically interact with the human realm unless they posses us.
If God gave man free will and He does not interfere with us if we don’t want Him to, what makes people think that He would allow Satan or demons to interfere with our free will? As the Bible states, “ we fall into sin (traps of the devil) when we are led away by OUR OWN selfish desires.
It’s very important to know this simple truth because it cuts a lot of bullwhip that’s talked about on such subjects.
That’s my understanding of what they can and cannot do

 

[Jonathan Leo]

The witch in 1 Sam 28 also had a lot of information from a demon - but that information was false.
Eve was getting information directly from a demon in Genesis 3 - and that information was false.

Satan takes Christ up to a high mountain and shows him all the cities of the world in Matthew 4
Satan takes Christ to the pinnacle of the temple and temps him to throw himself down.

Demons have the ability to move any object and do anything they want. But God restrains them from doing it -- at least to some extent.

You are correct to conclude that mankind would either be wiped out or enslaved under the condition that demons use their full power to do stuff in real life - like a regular person... but "for now" God restrains them because God wants a "free will " universe and Satan has to "play by the rules".

Christ said that Satan was demanding permission from God to sift Peter like wheat - but Christ was praying for Peter that he would not fail.

In Job 1 Satan complains that he has many evil plans ready to go with Job - but God is placing a hedge of protection around Job and Satan cannot get through it.

Your spot on, God does not allow demons to physically interact, but will come a time when God allows demons and Satan to interact physically.
It’s in book of revelation and just look at how the Bible describes it.
“It will be the worst period of time in history, never to happened before and never to happen again” and watch this 1,
“If those days were not cut short, everybody would be dead, but for the sake of the elect, it will be stopped” No other than God Himself.

Now my point being, if God did allow demons to ineract physically in our realm, it wouldn’t be cups and saucers flying around the room we would be worried about lol
This concludes my knowledge of “ can demons move objects”
Of course they can, if they are allowed, but they are not. And thank God their not allowed, for now at least.

 

[RDKirk]

I’d have a guess at Satan wanting Moses body so He or any other demon could posses it.

And God totally controls what demons or what Satan is allowed to do. Satan is Gods devil, remember that. I believe God calls the shots on what they can or cannot do. After all, God is the only person that’s Omni.
Yes God allowed Satan to inflict Job, but see how Satan said “I can’t touch him because he has Your hands around him” It was God who took away Jobs protection and even at that, Satan couldn’t kill Him because God said so
.
Satan can’t inflict us physically because God doesn’t allow it apart from the exception of Job and a few other stories in the Bible. I believe God did allow Satan to interact on these occurrences to show us the bigger picture, after all, it’s Gods book and He is the author. He can pretty much bring or do anything He wishes. It’s His story.
What I get from the first 2 chapters of Job is,
God is the boss, the devil and demons are powerless to obey Him, God protects His children, God allows bad things to happen to us if He wills, and suprisenly, Satan walks around in heaven.
Anyway, back on topic,
If He did allow satan and demons to physically interact, mankind would be in serious serious trouble and all would suffer just like Job.
Yes Satan has his power over a lot of mankind because of sin, but Satan isn’t exactly forcing us physically, but because of sin, and his tactics and temptations for us to sin, mankind are led astray, or in other words they fall under sins power. Everything on this planet has the ability to turn us from God because it’s satans kingdom. But just as God gave us free will, it’s up to us to choose which path do we go.
Il end on a simple truth to think over and how people should realise that demons or Satan cannot physically interact with the human realm unless they posses us.
If God gave man free will and He does not interfere with us if we don’t want Him to, what makes people think that He would allow Satan or demons to interfere with our free will? As the Bible states, “ we fall into sin (traps of the devil) when we are led away by OUR OWN selfish desires.
It’s very important to know this simple truth because it cuts a lot of bullwhip that’s talked about on such subjects.
That’s my understanding of what they can and cannot do

Without a doubt God is in control, but you've made a lot of conjecture about God by default not allowing demons to have physical interaction with the world when scripture indicates the default is otherwise:

Then some of the itinerant Jewish exorcists undertook to invoke the name of the Lord Jesus over those who had evil spirits, saying, “I adjure you by the Jesus whom Paul proclaims.”

Seven sons of a Jewish high priest named Sceva were doing this. But the evil spirit answered them, “Jesus I know, and Paul I recognize, but who are you?”

And the man in whom was the evil spirit leaped on them, mastered all[a] of them and overpowered them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded. -- Acts 19

 

[FireDragon76]

A good book for all the doubters out there, by a skeptical Disciples of Christ pastor:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01GOZRQ42/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

I think the main reason that belief in demons is not more widespread among Christians is because we've lost their religious significance. People are still willing to believe in ghosts and UFO's in large numbers, but talking about the demonic often is something that people have no reference to, aside from images of the dark ages.

 

[Jonathan Leo]

Without a doubt God is in control, but you've made a lot of conjecture about God by default not allowing demons to have physical interaction with the world when scripture indicates the default is otherwise:

Then some of the itinerant Jewish exorcists undertook to invoke the name of the Lord Jesus over those who had evil spirits, saying, “I adjure you by the Jesus whom Paul proclaims.”

Seven sons of a Jewish high priest named Sceva were doing this. But the evil spirit answered them, “Jesus I know, and Paul I recognize, but who are you?”

And the man in whom was the evil spirit leaped on them, mastered all[a] of them and overpowered them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded. -- Acts 19

Where in any of these scriptures does it show demons throwing objects?
1st point
Demons CAN possses bodies
2nd point
Demons CANT throw objects