can demons move objects

[Jonathan Leo]

The devil only has the power that He is given...Christ has already made a spectacle of all the powers of darkness (Colossians 2:13-15), if we would just chase Jesus (and not sin, and the devil)...we would see it.

I was merely satisfying the OP's curiosity.

I agree with you, the devil only has the power given onto him. And God does not allow demons to interact physically in our realm. Yes they are here and I have seen them, but they can’t interact with us physically. They can posses bodies through worship of Satan, ouwji boards, the occult, the very same way we can posses the Holy Spirit when we follow Jesus. Why do you think the rulers of this world are evil?. Because have given their free will over to Satan in return for power, wealth, etc.
It’s like hen Jesus was tempted by Satan. Satan was willing to give Jesus power and control over the kingdoms which are Satan’s by the way if Jesus bowed down and worshipped him.
I’ll put it another way,
If demons (who are vastly more knowledgeable, stronger, wiser than us) could interact with us on a physical level, they wouldn’t need man to do anything, they would simply just do what they want. Man is nothing in comparison to a demon and the only strength we do have over them when they interact on a spiritual level is the name of Jesus.

If God allowed man to stand face to face with a demon, we would die with shock literally
Use your heads lads and lasies.

 

[Serving Zion]

True, but I did say "some" of those activities. I don't remember all of them to include in the list, and the fact that he decided to abandon such practices says a lot about how terrible those events were.

I just remembered another one whilst typing the above -- He would see demons and apparitions in his everyday life, and sometimes they'd try to hurt him or curse him out. These weren't something you could easily dismiss as your brain playing games on you or whatever. What he experienced were real and it frightened him.

You can search up countless other testimonies on Youtube of people who have experienced worse... Most of them are Christians now.

That's ok, just let me know if you can think of any examples .. where God's supernatural power is used to manipulate matter by those who pursue magical arts taught by demons.. is there any example where that power is used in a harmful way? (making a distinction for the purpose of the OP between matters of the mind: deception, delusion and hallucination).

Sure. An entire herd of pigs ran full-speed into the Sea of Galilee and drowned. That seems quite serious to me.

We know that demons are capable of convincing a mind to act for their purposes, but that is not really OP's enquiry .. he already acknowledged this in post #12. My question was for finding evidence that God's supernatural power has been used to do harm by those who pursue magical arts taught by demons (eg, consider Revelation 13:13-14 and 1 Kings 18:27-28).

 

[Daniel Marsh]

I don't believe they can move objects. By the way, I'd like to know the answer to a question I have. Why does it seem that miracles happen in the Bible all the time but not today, in my life?

The Bible was written over thousands of years, thus most of the miracles were spread out except during the time of Jesus and the Apostles. We are simply in a post apostolic dispensation. I do not know the date the dispensation changed. The post apostolic dispensation theory is at best debatable.

In,

Matthew 28:1-7
[ The first Lord’s day: Jesus rises ] When the Sabbath was over, just as the first day of the week was dawning Mary from Magdala and the other Mary went to look at the tomb. At that moment there was a great earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from Heaven, went forward and rolled back the stone and took his seat upon it. His appearance was dazzling like lightning and his clothes were white as snow. The guards shook with terror at the sight of him and collapsed like dead men. But the angel spoke to the women, “Do not be afraid. I know that you are looking for Jesus who was crucified. He is not here—he is risen, just as he said he would. Come and look at the place where he was lying. Then go quickly and tell his disciples that he has risen from the dead. And, listen, he goes before you into Galilee! You will see him there! Now I have told you my message.”

An angel in the OT, held a sword that a donkey saw and avoided

Satan in Job, had to move things using the weather(I guess) memory fails me.

Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 2 Thessalonians 2:9

The "wise men" who opposed Moses was able to do some minor miracles like turning a stick into a snake.

Angels took on human form in the Scriptures.

In short, Demons as I understand it was simply fallen angels. So, if God allows it, a Demon can do anything an Angel can do.

There is a Jewish Theology of Lilith(some verse in Isaiah refers to her) that one does not discuss in mixed company.

I am guessing demons can move things only if God allows it.

We do know that God will send a strong Delusion on some people. So in those cases God may allow such a thing. ---- this is all just a guess on my part.

 

[ViaCrucis]

I don't believe they can move objects. By the way, I'd like to know the answer to a question I have. Why does it seem that miracles happen in the Bible all the time but not today, in my life?

Simple answer is that miracles didn't happen in the Bible all the time. The contents of the Bible span a period of almost two thousand years, that's a lot of time; the Bible records miracles as being miraculous and noteworthy because they were noteworthy to be mentioned.

Thinking they were happening all the time is looking at the Bible anachronistically in a way; we read these stories where all these incredible things happened, and we have the luxury of reading the span of centuries in a single sitting; but in actual history we are talking about centuries of time transpiring.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Fish14]

Simple answer is that miracles didn't happen in the Bible all the time. The contents of the Bible span a period of almost two thousand years, that's a lot of time; the Bible records miracles as being miraculous and noteworthy because they were noteworthy to be mentioned.

Thinking they were happening all the time is looking at the Bible anachronistically in a way; we read these stories where all these incredible things happened, and we have the luxury of reading the span of centuries in a single sitting; but in actual history we are talking about centuries of time transpiring.

-CryptoLutheran

Doesn't the Bible leave many miracles out? Jesus said that if the apostles wrote everything He did down, the books wouldn't fit in the world.

 

[Fish14]

The Bible was written over thousands of years, thus most of the miracles were spread out except during the time of Jesus and the Apostles. We are simply in a post apostolic dispensation. I do not know the date the dispensation changed. The post apostolic dispensation theory is at best debatable.

In,

Matthew 28:1-7
[ The first Lord’s day: Jesus rises ] When the Sabbath was over, just as the first day of the week was dawning Mary from Magdala and the other Mary went to look at the tomb. At that moment there was a great earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from Heaven, went forward and rolled back the stone and took his seat upon it. His appearance was dazzling like lightning and his clothes were white as snow. The guards shook with terror at the sight of him and collapsed like dead men. But the angel spoke to the women, “Do not be afraid. I know that you are looking for Jesus who was crucified. He is not here—he is risen, just as he said he would. Come and look at the place where he was lying. Then go quickly and tell his disciples that he has risen from the dead. And, listen, he goes before you into Galilee! You will see him there! Now I have told you my message.”

An angel in the OT, held a sword that a donkey saw and avoided

Satan in Job, had to move things using the weather(I guess) memory fails me.

Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 2 Thessalonians 2:9

The "wise men" who opposed Moses was able to do some minor miracles like turning a stick into a snake.

Angels took on human form in the Scriptures.

In short, Demons as I understand it was simply fallen angels. So, if God allows it, a Demon can do anything an Angel can do.

There is a Jewish Theology of Lilith(some verse in Isaiah refers to her) that one does not discuss in mixed company.

I am guessing demons can move things only if God allows it.

We do know that God will send a strong Delusion on some people. So in those cases God may allow such a thing. ---- this is all just a guess on my part.

I agree, but can you name a miracle that happened in the last 1000 years?

 

[Jonathan Leo]

Simple answer is that miracles didn't happen in the Bible all the time. The contents of the Bible span a period of almost two thousand years, that's a lot of time; the Bible records miracles as being miraculous and noteworthy because they were noteworthy to be mentioned.

Thinking they were happening all the time is looking at the Bible anachronistically in a way; we read these stories where all these incredible things happened, and we have the luxury of reading the span of centuries in a single sitting; but in actual history we are talking about centuries of time transpiring.

-CryptoLutheran

Although I agree it spans 2000 years, it was in the 3 years of Jesus ministry that the gospel records a lot of miracles.
Most of the miracles were within that time frame
John 21:25

 

[want-love]

well. demons can move objects and make sounds but not without a body

satan can make planks kill job's sons without a body

 

[BobRyan]

according to the scriptures they can guess and give extraordinary strength but no move objects

am i wrong

Demons are the most powerful beings confined to planet Earth today. Nothing even gets close. They can move, destroy, manufacture anything they wish.

Nothing -- absolutely nothing beyond their ability and power. They can take on any form they wish - they can doppleganger your close relative and you would not know the difference. They can be visible or not. In their native form we would view them as giants - over 10 feet.

Think of the Eterntainment industry "alien" movie narratives - all sorts of aliens - Demons are more powerful in every way. They once were sinless angels. They easily stand in for the "gods" in the pagan religions.

I know someone who used to dabble in black magic, tarot cards and the usual sorcery practices, and the evil activity that he witnessed was one of the few reasons why he abandoned those practices and took up Christianity.

Weird images, numbers, objects moving, and strange sounds were some of those activities.

Which is a mere drop in the bucket of what they can do IF the restraints of God were removed.


Don't mess with them.

But sinless Angels empowered by God -- are even more powerful.

The only reason that demons do not totally wipe out all Christianity and enslave mankind fully, physically ... literally... is because God's loyal sinless angels are more powerful and He won't allow it. God the Son - Jesus Christ is commander of the Hosts of heaven. See Rev 19. Nothing can beat Him.

 

[BobRyan]

Yes, demons do move objects. They moved an entire herd of swine to drown themselves in the Sea of Galilee.

Some say they built stonehenge as a place of pagan worship to the gods (demons)

 

[BobRyan]

I agree with you, the devil only has the power given onto him. And God does not allow demons to interact physically in our realm. Yes they are here and I have seen them, but they can’t interact with us physically. They can posses bodies through worship of Satan, ouwji boards, the occult, the very same way we can posses the Holy Spirit when we follow Jesus. Why do you think the rulers of this world are evil?. Because have given their free will over to Satan in return for power, wealth, etc.
It’s like hen Jesus was tempted by Satan. Satan was willing to give Jesus power and control over the kingdoms which are Satan’s by the way if Jesus bowed down and worshipped him.
I’ll put it another way,
If demons (who are vastly more knowledgeable, stronger, wiser than us) could interact with us on a physical level, they wouldn’t need man to do anything, they would simply just do what they want. Man is nothing in comparison to a demon and the only strength we do have over them when they interact on a spiritual level is the name of Jesus.

If God allowed man to stand face to face with a demon, we would die with shock literally
Use your heads lads and lasies.

This is much closer to my position.

 

[Jonathan Leo]

This is much closer to my position.

We need to think logically.

 

[Jonathan Leo]

Yes, demons do move objects. They moved an entire herd of swine to drown themselves in the Sea of Galilee.

No, your wrong.
Demons (many) were inside a man. The man was possessed. (This they can do)
When Jesus turned up, the demons said to jesus “what are you doing here, your time has not come yet”
Jesus was casting the demons out of the man
The demons begged Jesus (because they had to go) to allow them into the swine.
Jesus allowed the demons to enter the swine

What you are now missing is 2 things
1 Jesus is king and has control over demons. They had to leave the man on His command
2 They couldn’t enter the swine unless Jesus allowed them. Demons do not enter animals or posses them (normally)

Another point I want to show is this,
Why did the demons enter the swine if they intended to jump of the cliff and kill them. The demons would need to leave the dead swine and have nobody to posses.
And here’s the punch line,
it’s Jesus who ran the swine of the cliff.

 

[Victor E.]

according to the scriptures they can guess and give extraordinary strength but no move objects

am i wrong

When you try to logically intellectualize the supernatural, without the field experience of DOING the Word...you get incomplete knowledge. I have cast demons out of people, and seen demons knocking over object before...I have practical experience in this...I'm not just theorycrafting and logically rationalizing the Scriptures. Demons can move objects. If there must be Biblical evidence, read about the Sons of Sceva (Acts of the Apostles 19:11-20). Some Christians can say the name of Jesus, without KNOWING Him. I would be careful who you learn from. Some things sound wise and logical, but are entirely inaccurate.

Again, Christ is greater than any demon or principality. The power of the Holy Spirit comes from love, 'faith worketh by love'...

Galatians 5:6

 

[Jonathan Leo]

When you try to logically intellectualize the supernatural, without the field experience of DOING the Word...you get incomplete knowledge. I have cast demons out of people, and seen demons knocking over object before...I have practical experience in this...I'm not just theorycrafting and logically rationalizing the Scriptures. Demons can move objects. If there must be Biblical evidence, read about the Sons of Sceva (Acts of the Apostles 19:11-20). Some Christians can say the name of Jesus, without KNOWING Him. I would be careful who you learn from. Some things sound wise and logical, but are entirely inaccurate.

Again, Christ is greater than any demon or principality. The power of the Holy Spirit comes from love, 'faith worketh by love'...

Galatians 5:6

You are in slight error,
Demons can and have done, possessed humans. They can interact with humans (take possession)
What Acts 19:11-20 doesn’t show is demons throwing objects. Demons need bodies and cannot interact on a physical level without one.

I too have seen demons, and cast them out, and I’m telling you straight up, they cannot interact with objects. If they could, we would all be in trouble.
I have had demons sit on my chest whilst sleeping, I had them standing at the end of my bed, ive had them sit in the back of my car but not once have they thrown something at me.
They are in our realm but in order to manipulate things they need a body, hence the words (possessed and exorcism)
If they could interact in this world without bodies, trust me, they wouldn’t bother with a puny species like us. Demons have far more knowledge, strength, wisdom, and experience over anybody from mankind.

 

[dreadnought]

according to the scriptures they can guess and give extraordinary strength but no move objects

am i wrong

I'm not aware that demons have a physical presence, though now that I think of it, perhaps they could influence us to move objects.

 

[Jonathan Leo]

I'm not aware that demons have a physical presence, though now that I think of it, perhaps they could influence us to move objects.

Quiet a possibility, I know when my wife throws a plate at me that it’s not her. Lol

 

[dreadnought]

Quiet a possibility, I know when my wife throws a plate at me that it’s not her. Lol

Well, I hope not.

 

[Jonathan Leo]

Well, I hope not.

Lol
Had to get that one in

 

[dreadnought]

Lol
Had to get that one in

We will arrange some counseling.