Is there salvation after death?

[ClementofA]

If there were multiple chances at salvation, the bible would clearly state it. I'm sticking with repent now for the kingdom of God is near

The Bible has stated it. Read the thread and:

Have you been decieved by your Bible translation?

For the Lord will NOT cast off FOR EVER:

Augustine's ignorance & error re Matthew 25:46

 

[Soar Like and Eagle]

Of course there is. Jesus blood is much more powerful than Little Adam's sin.

Most believers do not understand the Tabernacle of David as a type of God's salvation in the ages to come.

Here it is in the New testament

Acts 15: 13-18 (ESV) 16(A) "'After this I will return,and I will rebuild the tent of David that has fallen;I will rebuild its ruins, and I will restore it 17that the remnant of mankind(B) may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles(C) who are called by my name, says the Lord, who makes these things 18(D) known from of old.'


Acts 15: 13-18 (Message) James broke the silence. "Friends, listen. Simeon has told us the story of how God at the very outset made sure that racial outsiders were included. This is in perfect agreement with the words of the prophets: After this, I'm coming back; I'll rebuild David's ruined house; I'll put all the pieces together again; I'll make it look like new So outsiders who seek will find, so they'll have a place to come to, All the pagan peoples included in what I'm doing. "God said it and now he's doing it. It's no afterthought; he's always known he would do this

Acts 15: (Amp) 17So that the rest of men may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles upon whom My name has been invoked,

Acts 15: (HCSB) 17 so that those who are left of mankind may seek the Lord— even all the Gentiles who are called by My name, says the Lord who does these things,

Acts 15: 17 (NIRV) Then the rest of the people can look to the Lord. This means all the non-Jews who belong to me. The Lord says this. He is the one who does these things.' —(Amos 9:11,12)

Now if the rest of men may seek the Lord, All the pagan peoples included in what I'm doing “, “ all the Gentiles , the “remainder of man kind are destroyed as you proclaim in the Lake of Devine Purging (Lake of Fire); then what about this promise.

 

[Jonathan Leo]

The Bible has stated it. Read the thread and:

Have you been decieved by your Bible translation?

For the Lord will NOT cast off FOR EVER:

Augustine's ignorance & error re Matthew 25:46

So should I go out and live my life the way I want?? Because it's a lot easier to sin than to lay down my life.
I look at a woman lustfully, I feel convicted and I stop. Should I run with it instead because there is multiple chances at salvation? Or how about getting drunk as I used love to do and still do on the odd occasion. Should I enjoy my life to this extent because there are multiple chances at salvation?

As stated, il take it there is only one chance at salvation and when Jesus said those who lose their life shall find it, I'm believing Him, not some clown who has a different theology. If the Spirit of God lives within me, He we lead me in all truth. Sorry bud, you ain't cutting it with me.

 

[ClementofA]

So should I go out and live my life the way I want??

No, you might end up with HIV, bitterness, liver disease, prison & so forth. The list is endless. There's also the lake of fire.

Because it's a lot easier to sin than to lay down my life.

With laying down your life comes also the peaceable fruit of righteousness & the joy of the Lord.

I look at a woman lustfully, I feel convicted and I stop. Should I run with it instead because there is multiple chances at salvation? Or how about getting drunk as I used love to do and still do on the odd occasion. Should I enjoy my life to this extent because there are multiple chances at salvation?

See above. And, no, unless you want to join Satan in "hell".
Is that where all your friends will be?

Also, even though there is after death salvation for everyone, it won't be worth it to live in sin for the rest of your life (which could end at any time) . What if you end up in "hell" for 100's, 1000's or millions of years? Or what if one year in hell would be so bad that it would have been far better not to have lived wickedly? Scripture makes it clear that living for God now is the wise choice.

As stated, il take it there is only one chance at salvation and when Jesus said those who lose their life shall find it, I'm believing Him, not some clown who has a different theology. If the Spirit of God lives within me, He we lead me in all truth. Sorry bud, you ain't cutting it with me.

I agree the Spirit will lead you into all truth. God bless.

 

[Doug Melven]

Nowhere does the Word of God explicitly state that people will have a chance at salvation after they die.
Jesus tells people to make a decision in this life, even to the point of cutting a hand off or putting an eye out because it is better to enter life maimed than to have your whole body cast into hellfire.
In Hebrews 4 it says to not harden your hearts today while it is still today.
Paul said that he became all things to all men that by all means he might save some.
If they could just make a decision in the next life would Paul have gone through all he did?
Then we have the wicked people in Revelation 16 who when they see the judgment of God, they still won't repent of there wicked deeds.
They would rather have rocks fall on them than to face God. Revelation 6:16

Even if, which I don't believe, people could get saved after death what makes you think they will choose life when Scripture says otherwise?

 

[ClementofA]

Nowhere does the Word of God explicitly state that people will have a chance at salvation after they die.

Ever better than having a chance, they'll be forgiven. Therefore they repent. See Mk.3:28; Mt.12:31-32, etc, as already posted in this thread & never refuted.

Jesus tells people to make a decision in this life, even to the point of cutting a hand off or putting an eye out because it is better to enter life maimed than to have your whole body cast into hellfire.

How many Christians do you know who've taken their eyes out. Hellfire is a mistranslation - should be Gehenna.

In Hebrews 4 it says to not harden your hearts today while it is still today.

Or you'll not enter His millennial age eon kingdom & be in outer darkness. Which doesn't rule out afterdeath repenance or salvation.

Paul said that he became all things to all men that by all means he might save some.

To save them from a "day of wrath" (Rom.2:5). Not an eternity of sadism by a monster some people call god.

"What kind of God would call billions of people into being, knowing that was the unimaginably horrible outcome? The words callous, selfish, and unloving came to mind for me.
Speaking of love..."

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If they could just make a decision in the next life would Paul have gone through all he did?

Who says it will be that easy for those who willfully sinned against the light given them, as you slyly try to make it sound. Is that all you did to be saved in this life? Just "make a decision"? And then, what, live any way you please for the rest of your life?

You sound like the brother of the prodigal son who was angry because his brother who had lived in sin got saved.

After what Paul, the murderer & Inquisitor of Christians (men & women) did, & the degree of grace given to Him, with joy unspeakable & full of glory, why shouldn't he suffer what he called momentary light afflictions?

Then we have the wicked people in Revelation 16 who when they see the judgment of God, they still won't repent of there wicked deeds.
They would rather have rocks fall on them than to face God. Revelation 6:16

Obviously there are people who rebel against God. What else is new. Do you suppose God's love expires, or His Omnipotence is too weak to reach anyone in any condition? Or He hadn't figured this all out before He made man?

Even if, which I don't believe, people could get saved after death what makes you think they will choose life when Scripture says otherwise?

If they can get saved, then they CAN choose life! Scripture nowhere denies it, but affirms they can.

https://www.tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf

If endless conscious torments were true, is God a monster?

 

[Jonathan Leo]

No, you might end up with HIV, bitterness, liver disease, prison & so forth. The list is endless. There's also the lake of fire.



With laying down your life comes also the peaceable fruit of righteousness & the joy of the Lord.



See above. And, no, unless you want to join Satan in "hell".
Is that where all your friends will be?

Also, even though there is after death salvation for everyone, it won't be worth it to live in sin for the rest of your life (which could end at any time) . What if you end up in "hell" for 100's, 1000's or millions of years? Or what if one year in hell would be so bad that it would have been far better not to have lived wickedly? Scripture makes it clear that living for God now is the wise choice.



I agree the Spirit will lead you into all truth. God bless.

Please show me where the Bible states there is after life salvation??

 

[Doug Melven]

Ever better than having a chance, they'll be forgiven. Therefore they repent. See Mk.3:28; Mt.12:31-32, etc, as already posted in this thread & never refuted.

In many places Jesus says you must believe to receive forgiveness.
In Hebrews 4 it says the Gospel was preached to the Israelites, but it did not profit them because it was not mixed with faith. Your interpretation of those verses is refuted. Even if you don't accept it.

How many Christians do you know who've taken their eyes out. Hellfire is a mistranslation - should be Gehenna.

Jesus said it would be better to do those things than to go into hellfire. I would say He was pretty serious about hell fire.
Hell Strong's No.: G1067
Greek: γέεννα
Transliteration: geenna
Pronunciation: gheh'-en-nah
Definition:Of Hebrew origin ([H1516] and [H2011]);
valley of (the son of) Hinnom;
gehenna (or Ge-Hinnom) a valley of Jerusalem used (figuratively) as a name for the place (or state) of everlasting punishment: - hell.

Strong's No.: G4442
Greek: πῦρ
Transliteration: pur
Pronunciation: poor
Definition: A primary word; fire (literally or figuratively specifically lightning): - fiery fire.

Ok, whatever. Gehenna, hell fire,

Or you'll not enter His millennial age eon kingdom & be in outer darkness. Which doesn't rule out afterdeath repenance or salvation.

Yes it does. He says "Today", there may not be a chance tomorrow.

To save them from a "day of wrath" (Rom.2:5). Not an eternity of sadism by a monster some people call god.

"What kind of God would call billions of people into being, knowing that was the unimaginably horrible outcome? The words callous, selfish, and unloving came to mind for me.
Speaking of love..."

The "Day of wrath" is sentencing day.
If a person commits a crime and are found guilty, they are given a day when they will find out what there sentence is. Depending on the severity of the crime, it could be a short time in jail or a fine or life in prison.
When a person rejects God, God has declared the sentence to be everlasting punishment.

Who says it will be that easy for those who willfully sinned against the light given them, as you slyly try to make it sound. Is that all you did to be saved in this life? Just "make a decision"? And then, what, live any way you please for the rest of your life?

You sound like the brother of the prodigal son who was angry because his brother who had lived in sin got saved.

After what Paul, the murderer & Inquisitor of Christians (men & women) did, & the degree of grace given to Him, with joy unspeakable & full of glory, why shouldn't he suffer what he called momentary light afflictions?

I would be extremely happy to find out you were right and I was wrong about eternal damnation.
Why do you minimize "a decision for Christ"? Making a decision for Christ can turn your world upside down.
Any amount of time, no matter how long will seem like a fleeting moment when compared to eternity.
So why wouldn't people wait till after death to make a decision?

Obviously there are people who rebel against God. What else is new. Do you suppose God's love expires, or His Omnipotence is too weak to reach anyone in any condition? Or He hadn't figured this all out before He made man?

In Revelation 16 it says these people will still reject God and they will not repent.

If they can get saved, then they CAN choose life! Scripture nowhere denies it, but affirms they can.

When the Israelites got the report from the 12 spies, they rejected Caleb and Joshua's report and accepted the report of the other 10. Then God said in His wrath that they would not enter the Promised land because of there unbelief. Then the people tried to enter the Promised Land anyway.
According to your doctrine, God should have let them in.
They tried to enter in and died.
The Promised Land is a shadow of Heaven.
If you have unbelief in this life, that's it, you don't get a chance to repent in the next life.
If I were you I would take His warning seriously.

 

[Ancient of Days]

Is there salvation after death?

Yes and no. It is written: 1 Peter
19: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

This verse tells you, who, what and when. Those who perished in the flood were given a chance to accept and repent. I would imagine that some did and some didn't just like when he preached on earth. Other situations are very clear. Like someone who has heard the word and has clearly rejected Christ has sealed their fate. Some who had become Christians then walked away, well the bible is clear about that. What about a young child that dies that wasn't capable of understanding salvation. This fits into what some say that if you die without accepting Christ your going to hell. According to them there are a lot of children in hell. What about someone that has never heard about Christ? They die, so according to some they are going straight to hell. A physical death is not a barrier to God in all reality it is irrelevant since all are alive as God see's it. The body is only a tent for the spirit just because the tent gives way doesn't mean the spirit is lost forever. It is written: I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. This applies whether in the physical or in the spirit. God is not bound by the very finite understanding of the human mind. So again the answer is yes and no.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

In many places Jesus says you must believe to receive forgiveness.
In Hebrews 4 it says the Gospel was preached to the Israelites, but it did not profit them because it was not mixed with faith. Your interpretation of those verses is refuted. Even if you don't accept it.

This is clear,
but then how can clement and gal and the other ones who have been tricked by the enemy,
how can they be set free ?
What has to change in them and is it even possible ?

 

[Doug Melven]

This is clear,
but then how can clement and gal and the other ones who have been tricked by the enemy,
how can they be set free ?
What has to change in them and is it even possible ?

I believe as long as a person draws breath, they have a chance to repent.
God has set far worse people who had many more problems.
He set free a man who had a legion of demons in him.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

There are some who God gives over to believe their own delusions.

 

[Jonathan Leo]

Why cant ye get it?? Grace is free as long as you believe.
Believing in the One He sent. Believe in Him(Jesus)
John 5 22
The father has left all judgment to Jesus
If Jesus says you need to repent, take up your own cross, crucify your fleshly ways (sinful life), keep My commands, or else you are not belong to me.
I am the Shepard and my sheep hear My voice.
Repent of your evil ways
Depart from me you workers of lawlessness

Do you need any more proof??
Grace is free as long as you take it.
If anybody offers you a gift, it is entirely up to you to come take it.
Taking Gods gift means you die to self and walk according to Him.
Hell lads and lasies, I sometimes want to go out, get drunk, chat up a gorgeous woman, flirt, be promiscuous, have one night stands, party like it’s 1999, get in my car, joyride, mock the beggars, accuse the homeless that it’s their own fault, screw authorities, gain massive wealth, live lavish lifestyles, grow old and even more promiscuous, watch inappropriate content, and fill in whatever blanks tickles my fancy. This is my old nature.
Whilst Christ died for all that,if I repent and walk and have relationship with God and overcome these things in faith, I’m pretty sure God will honor me and the blood of Christ covers me,
If I continue to live like the above, after I know the truth, I’m going to hell. Jesus Himself told me so in His word

Wake up, those of you who slumber
There is no time to waste, for none know the hour our master returns. Aka when you kick the bucket. There is no afterlife forgiveness. Your soul is pretty important to God, if afterlife forgiveness were true, He would mention it.
Stop having tickling ears. You either accept what Christ said or you don’t. There is no in between, just like there’s no second chances.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Why cant ye get it?? Grace is free as long as you believe.

WHAT !?!?
Do you mean,
REALLY TRUE !? That even they , they who promote heresy,
can find forgiveness AND LIFE IN JESUS !?
Just by(turning to God) repenting ! ?

They don't have to keep struggline and fighting and promoting false sales/ give-a-ways/ of false teachings to people any longer !?

They can just tell them the TRUTH, and see people SAVED ! !? WOW ~!

That's WONDERFUL GOOD NEWS, JUST LIKE JESUS SAYS !
FREE SALVATION
to all who repent, of course, before they die and before they are permanently condemned for heresy or for unbelief.

 

[Jonathan Leo]

WHAT !?!?
Do you mean,
REALLY TRUE !? That even they , they who promote heresy,
can find forgiveness AND LIFE IN JESUS !?
Just by(turning to God) repenting ! ?

They don't have to keep struggline and fighting and promoting false sales/ give-a-ways/ of false teachings to people any longer !?

They can just tell them the TRUTH, and see people SAVED ! !? WOW ~!

That's WONDERFUL GOOD NEWS, JUST LIKE JESUS SAYS !
FREE SALVATION
to all who repent, of course, before they die and before they are permanently condemned for heresy or for unbelief.

To put it another way lol.
Good one

 

[dreadnought]

Is there salvation after death?

I suspect people will quote a lot of Bible verses that say no, but I think only the Lord could know the answer to that question.

 

[Doug Melven]

I suspect people will quote a lot of Bible verses that say no, but I think only the Lord could know the answer to that question.

If a lot of verses are quoted from His Word, that would mean God gave His answer.

 

[dreadnought]

If a lot of verses are quoted from His Word, that would mean God gave His answer.

Scripture can be figurative and sometimes not entirely clear. Let me also point out that a lot can happen in the last few moments of a person's life.

 

[Doug Melven]

Scripture can be figurative and sometimes not entirely clear. Let me also point out that a lot can happen in the last few moments of a person's life.

I agree but if a lot of verses are posted, I myself have posted quite a few, and not taken out of context (which I am careful of not doing) then I would say God has given the answer.

 

[dreadnought]

I agree but if a lot of verses are posted, I myself have posted quite a few, and not taken out of context (which I am careful of not doing) then I would say God has given the answer.

But I will repeat that a lot can happen in the last few moments of a person's life.