Universal Salvation - Did you know that this is at the core of the Gospel?

[mkgal1]

That is not what the Bible teaches and is not what 95% of Christian preachers preach.

M-Bob

well......maybe that's evidence that "few are finding it".

 

[Hewillcome2040]

That is not what the Bible teaches and is not what 95% of Christian preachers preach.

M-Bob

If you disagree then answer these questions:

1.) Who creates Life?
2.) Who does everything with a purpose?
3.) Who never fails?
4.) Who gets what He desires?
5.) Who desires that none should be lost forever?
6.) Who desires that all should be saved?
7.) Who will is greater - man or God?
8.) Can God persuade?
9.) Can God fail to persuade?
10.) Does God have the power to save everyone?

 

[gordonhooker]

That is not what the Bible teaches and is not what 95% of Christian preachers preach.

M-Bob

Can you please explain what your sample size was and the demographics of the 95% of preachers you refer to. I am a Christian and I have been listening to sermons all my life and the OP has pretty much nailed it with their assessment.

 

[Phil 1:21]

If you disagree then answer these questions:

1.) Who creates Life?
2.) Who does everything with a purpose?
3.) Who never fails?
4.) Who gets what He desires?
5.) Who desires that none should be lost forever?
6.) Who desires that all should be saved?
7.) Who will is greater - man or God?
8.) Can God persuade?
9.) Can God fail to persuade?
10.) Does God have the power to save everyone?

11.) Who is the walrus?

 

[Hewillcome2040]

That is not what the Bible teaches and is not what 95% of Christian preachers preach.

M-Bob

Hi M-Bob, can you clarify also if the 95% of "Christian preachers" is the cut or do you believe 90% were be acceptable? What about 51%?

 

[Phil 1:21]

Hi M-Bob, can you clarify also if the 95% of "Christian preachers" is the cut or do you believe 90% were be acceptable? What about 51%?

How about just what the Bible teaches?

 

[iwbswiaihl2]

So broad is the way leading to destruction but that doesn't mean that those heading for destruction are not ultimately saved. In fact, the statement was made in the present tense. The reality is that everyone is on the broad path to destruction but only AT THAT TIME was there a small group of people on a path to righteousness and Life. Eventually, there shall be those saved that shall be as the sand grains of the sea. (Innumerable in a sense). so obviously there is more to the understanding than just the statement about the Broad path that was stated in the PRESENT Tense for that time.

Matt 7:13-14 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Many go into destruction(damnable, perdition and perish) are other ways this word is used, and words have meaning. And notice too, only the strait gate leads to life and few there be that find it. Don't you think that if all were going to be saved in the end, God would have said that in this verse. All of your proofs are like this, it doesnt said that, it could be,what if this, all suppositions and all against the teaching of the word of God. No sense in further replies on this subject, it is a heretical teaching and that is putting it mildly.

 

[iwbswiaihl2]

What are you responding to here? The passages I posted? If so.....yes...they're from the Biblical text...but many of them include phrases that are along the lines that "all will be saved".

I'm sorry if this is harsh or blunt....but those words strung together don't really express much of any substance (what I quoted from your post).

Too bad you didn't post one that says after a stay in hell they will all be saved, that would be proof. But you haven't found one that says that, have you?

 

[Hewillcome2040]

What Eternal Torment believers tell me:

1.) God desires everyone to be saved.
2.) God doesn't save everyone.
3.) God is all powerful
4.) God's doesn't use His power to persuade you
5.) God is the only one that can save you.
6.) Your at fault if your not saved.
7.) God doesn't fail
8.) Hell will always exist
9.) God starts a work and finishes it
10.) You are responsible for how your life is finished.
11.) Death gets no victory
12.) Eternal Life is not received by everyone
13.) Eternal Torment is just.

But is that really what the Bible is telling them or is that what the bible is telling them as delivered/filtered through preachers/teachers.

 

[Hewillcome2040]

Matt 7:13-14 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Many go into destruction(damnable, perdition and perish) are other ways this word is used, and words have meaning. And notice too, only the strait gate leads to life and few there be that find it. Don't you think that if all were going to be saved in the end, God would have said that in this verse. All of your proofs are like this, it doesnt said that, it could be,what if this, all suppositions and all against the teaching of the word of God. No sense in further replies on this subject, it is a heretical teaching and that is putting it mildly.

But are you reading that correctly? Look at the YLT version of Matthew 7:14:

Mat 7:14 how strait is the gate, and compressed the way that is leading to the life, and few are those finding it!

Notice the difference from what you posted? Your using your verses to give the meaning a future tense where the YLT version that I quoted is giving us the PRESENT tense. So it would mean that when Jesus said that it was the condition AT THAT TIME. So to saying that the verse is proof that few would EVER Find it is in error.

However, let's look further. The KJV has the verse as you rendered it. Looks look at the very Greek from which the KJV was derived and see how it is that Greek:

Mat 7:14 BecauseG3754 straitG4728 is theG3588 gate,G4439 andG2532 narrowG2346 is theG3588 way,G3598 whichG3588 leadethG520 untoG1519 life,G2222 andG2532 fewG3641 there beG1526 that findG2147 it.G846.

Notice the verb is Strong's G2147. Let's look in the Textus Receptus:

Mat 7:14 οτιG3754 CONJ στενηG4728 A-NSF ηG3588 T-NSF πυληG4439 N-NSF καιG2532 CONJ τεθλιμμενηG2346 V-RPP-NSF ηG3588 T-NSF οδοςG3598 N-NSF ηG3588 T-NSF απαγουσαG520 V-PAP-NSF ειςG1519 PREP τηνG3588 T-ASF ζωηνG2222 N-ASF καιG2532 CONJ ολιγοιG3641 A-NPM εισινG1510 V-PAI-3P οιG3588 T-NPM ευρισκοντεςG2147 V-PAP-NPM αυτηνG846 P-ASF

So the word is actually in the Present Tense as noted by the "P" following the "V-". That is the TENSE. That is based on the Textus Receptus which is the Greek text used as the basis of the KJV.

So please don't use that verse to attempt to counter universalist views because it doesn't mean what your presenting it to mean. I know this comes off a bit arrogant but I'm just trying to give you more knowledge of the text and hope you see it that way.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Jesus will eventually save everyone. This is at the core of the Gospel.

Ask yourself this:

1.) Who creates Life?
2.) Who does everything with a purpose?
3.) Who never fails?
4.) Who gets what He desires?
5.) Who desires that none should be lost forever?
6.) Who desires that all should be saved?
7.) Who will is greater - man or God?
8.) Can God persuade?
9.) Can God fail to persuade?
10.) Does God have the power to save everyone?

Let's look at those last days in Revelation. How do you explain what happens to those thrown into the lake of fire? It's not a tanning bed.


Revelation 19:20
Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Revelation 20:10
The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Revelation 20:14
Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Revelation 20:15
And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[Hewillcome2040]

Too bad you didn't post one that says after a stay in hell they will all be saved, that would be proof. But you haven't found one that says that, have you?

I know your looking for verses, how about this one:

1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

 

[Hewillcome2040]

Let's look at those last days in Revelation. How do you explain what happens to those thrown into the lake of fire? It's not a tanning bed.


Revelation 19:20
Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Revelation 20:10
The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Revelation 20:14
Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Revelation 20:15
And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

What if we said that someone would be baptized in the Fire of the Holy Spirit would that sound alarming?

Guess what the Lake of Fire is? It is a reference to a great number of people being submitted to the Holy Spirit which will utterly destroy all their evil.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Too bad you didn't post one that says after a stay in hell they will all be saved, that would be proof. But you haven't found one that says that, have you?

Sorry, there is no man who will nor can ever return from the lake of fire.

Simply by changing a few meanings in God's Word though, maybe someone will try to make God out to be a liar ? (instead of God being a consuming fire and RIGHTEOUS JUDGE)

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Funny? No. In the lake of fire, all evil persons will be destroyed, that's correct.

Why does the evil corrupt religious servants of the enemy wish those who will be destroyed will come back again ?
Why would YHWH ever allow such evil wickedness to happen ?

 

[Oldmantook]

Matt 7:13-14 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Many go into destruction(damnable, perdition and perish) are other ways this word is used, and words have meaning. And notice too, only the strait gate leads to life and few there be that find it. Don't you think that if all were going to be saved in the end, God would have said that in this verse. All of your proofs are like this, it doesnt said that, it could be,what if this, all suppositions and all against the teaching of the word of God. No sense in further replies on this subject, it is a heretical teaching and that is putting it mildly.

Please familiarize yourself with the Greek since it appears you are unaware of the original text. In verse 13, the word for go in or enter is eiserchomenoi which is a present tense participle. This verb tense indicates that the action of entering the wide gate is ongoing and continuous without reference to the future. The same thing occurs in v.14 as the word for "find" is heuriskontes which is also a present tense participle more accurately translated as "finding." In other words, there are few finding it. Again because of the present tense employed, no reference to the future. Therefore your claim which is based on these two verses is invalid as these verses do not address any action taken by God in the future. These verses only point to action which is occurs now. It does not reference any time in the future when the scripture plainly declares that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow.

 

[1stcenturylady]

What if we said that someone would be baptized in the Fire of the Holy Spirit would that sound alarming?

Guess what the Lake of Fire is? It is a reference to a great number of people being submitted to the Holy Spirit which will utterly destroy all their evil.

So Satan and His angels will be saved?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

It does not reference any time in the future when the scripture plainly declares that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow.

< shrugs >
Do you remember hitler (not a nice guy).

When he took over a place, EVERYONE, even if they did not like him (imagine that!)
had to salute him.

Since hitler is a bit weaker than GOD ALMIGHTY,

don't be surprised if you and everyone else everyone on earth everywhere
will
bow down/ bend the knee/ call JESUS LORD even if they never repented - they won't have a choice. (and this will be too late to save anyone who wasn't already born again - they cannot be born again after they die, as anyone who knows the Bible knows, if GOD PERMITS)

 

[Hewillcome2040]

So Satan and His angels will be saved?

No, they will be destroyed in the lake of fire. Think of that as the dross. What is being destroyed in the Lake of Fire is the same things that Holy Spirit destroyed in believers now. Which means it destroys the evil in you.

 

[1stcenturylady]

No, they will be destroyed in the lake of fire. Think of that as the dross. What is being destroyed in the Lake of Fire is the same things that Holy Spirit destroyed in believers now. Which means it destroys the evil in you.

You are half right. The Holy Spirit does destroy sin in us. We are dead to sin. And that is while we still live, it doesn't begin after we are dead.