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Sacrifice and Catholic teaching
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where is this in the Bible? No human being, saved or not can ever be sinless while on this earth! Sinless perfection is not taught anywhere in the Bible
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Jesus had a Saviour. Yes, God the Father!
It's funny watching the people post on here who are so annoyed with what Catholics believe. It's really funny! I assume they have nothing better to do than 'try' to get a Catholic to see their Sola Scripture view of things.
The Bible is at the heart of Catholicism. The Catholic 'bashers' as has been said, refuse to understand the Catholic believers interpretations given. Even though they are biblical.
Can anyone explain how a consecrated host became human flesh and bled after being picked up from the floor and stored in a glass of water? This 'miracle' is well documented.
Many Desciples ran away from Jesus when He said:
John 6:53-55
53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; 54 he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
Jesus was telling the truth! We do eat his flesh and drink his blood at Holy Communion!
Why is it, that many protestants, or Sola Scripture believers are more than willing to take some things literally in the Bible but when it goes against their own person beliefs they then don't take me some things literally?
It's funny watching the people post on here who are so annoyed with what Catholics believe. It's really funny! I assume they have nothing better to do than 'try' to get a Catholic to see their Sola Scripture view of things.
The Bible is at the heart of Catholicism. The Catholic 'bashers' as has been said, refuse to understand the Catholic believers interpretations given. Even though they are biblical.
Can anyone explain how a consecrated host became human flesh and bled after being picked up from the floor and stored in a glass of water? This 'miracle' is well documented.
Many Desciples ran away from Jesus when He said:
John 6:53-55
53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; 54 he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
Jesus was telling the truth! We do eat his flesh and drink his blood at Holy Communion!
Why is it, that many protestants, or Sola Scripture believers are more than willing to take some things literally in the Bible but when it goes against their own person beliefs they then don't take me some things literally?
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which means that they are sinners in need of a Saviour, and only can become saved when they repent of their personal sins, and accept the Lord Jesus Christ into their lives
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Then you are confusing absence of sin with Salvation, which is union with God...
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What compete rubbish! Jesus Christ, Who is Almighty God, coequal with the Father and Holy Spirit in every way, need to be "saved"? The Bible says that He is "without sin"!
John 6:53-55 is answered by John 6:35
"Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst"
By "coming" to Jesus Christ the sinner shall not "hunger" (eat His flesh); and by "believing" in Jesus Christ, they shall never "thirst" (drink His blood), as in participate in Him! All symbolic, and not in any way to be understand as "literal"!
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Humans were not created to sin, so sinlessness is technically possible even if practically very difficult in this life. Sinlessness is impossible, however, to the extent that we're not in communion with God. The New Covenant has the purpose of reconciling man with God and reestablishing the relationship which was shattered at the Fall. This union between man and God is the essence of our justice, the product of faith-and the only way that moral integrity or sinlessness or righteousness can possibly be realized in man. "Apart from Me you can do nothing", John 15:5, and "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible", Matt 19:26
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A bit off on that particular point I'm afraid.
But, He cried out to God the Father. God also rose Him from the dead.
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Abraham was justified by his faith without ever hearing the name Jesus. When we believe in Jesus, we're believing in God-and that restored faith in God is the point of Jesus' coming-and this faith pleases God immensely. And if Mary is saved from the point of conception, then she could potentially remain sinless. All triumph over sin is a matter of grace anyway.
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Yes, and yet Jesus is God. So that He also prophesied that He would raise Himself up. Either way, Jesus was never lost, never in need of being saved from eternal damnation like we are even while He apparently experienced separation from the Father on the cross, in part due to the extreme nature of the physical agony that He endured in His flesh.
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I agree. I meant saviour as being His Father. Who rose Him from the dead.
Jesus cried out to Him more than once in His life. Jesus never needed a Saviour like we do, I know.
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Sin isn't natural for man even though unavoidable in his fallen state. Sinlessness only becomes possible when that state is rectified, when communion with God is established again, as is the right and just order of things. No man has to sin, as if he's forced to do so; he's just too weak to avoid it without His God, without Christ who can strengthen him to do all things.
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Ah, but Abraham did SEE Jesus, "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day; and he saw it, and was glad" (John 8:56), which is a reference to Abraham's encounter with Yahweh in Genesis chapters 18-19. You will see in the Hebrew, that One of those "three men" who were with Abraham, was none other than Yahweh (see esp, 19:22, where we have Two Persons Who are Yahweh!). All those who are saved, are by the cross of Jesus Christ, the Old Testament looking forward, the New Testament, which we are part of, looking backward. the Old Testament has many references to "The Angel of the Lord", Who is Jesus Christ. See Exodus 3, where the Angel of the Lord appears to Moses in the burning bush, and He is also called "God", and goes on to say to Moses, "I am that I am"! (compare John 8:58). Jesus Christ was very active in the Old Testament. See also 1 Corinthians 10:9, with the correct reading of "Christ" (as in the King James Bible), and then look at Numbers 21:6, where Paul says it was Jesus Christ who sent the serpents, and Numbers says it was Yahweh!
Mary could never have been saved in the womb of her mother, because when she was an adult, she spoke of her need of a Saviour! The sinlessness of Mary is NOT in the Bible anywhere, but an invention of the RC church!
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The original creation of man must have been with a nature that was susceptible to sin, as they did so in the garden of Eden! Unless you think that somehow between creation and the fall sin entered? This is not in the Bible. The fact that the devil could have tempted Adam and Eve, and then get them to sin, shows that they had the capacity to sin, or else the devil would have failed, as he did when he tried to tempt Jesus!
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She needed a Savior, yes, and His name is Jesus, who-is-God, yes, and Mary knew she needed the Savior. So she simply says, "My soul glorifies the Lord and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior", no reference to time of salvation, only to her need for God. Either way I doubt that all who were saved from the OT times necessarily heard Christ's name or saw Him.
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