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I should think that with God in Her womb, she already IS "saved", don't you agree?
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The post of mine that you responded to was about Real Presence. Some of the posters believe in Transubstantiation but others believe (only) in Real Presence...and then you who believe in a representational view.
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IF...
That is indeed the issue before them...
Are you praying for them?
That would be a major crisis...
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No, she was NOT "saved" because Jesus was in her womb. there is no Scripture warrant for this. She was not saved automatically, but confessed her need for a Saviour, which can only mean that she considered herself a SINNER! The RC church, and others, decided against the teaching of the Holy Bible, that she was sinless! I also read somewhere that some are deluded to think that she never died, and went directly to heaven! More speculative theology!
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depends what he is saying? He may have seen the light and changed his mind on some of the erroneous teachings of the RC church! Which can't be a bad thing!
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I suggest a new forum.
Catholic Bashing.
Catholic Bashing.
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Salvation is Union with Christ...
The Marriage of the Lamb...
The God-Quest of discipleship, at great cost, is for us to become ONE with Christ-God...
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DEPENDS!!
My new mantra of old age!
It is all about DEPENDS!
Bless ya, Brother!
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you still avoid Mary's own words. here they are:
"and my spirit rejoices in God my Saviour" (from a RC Bible online, Luke - Chapter 1 - Bible - Catholic Online)
Why did Mary need a Saviour if she was "sinless"? I somehow doubt that I will a straight answer here, as the plain teaching of the Bible here goes against RC dogma!
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He might be saying at last, that he needs to get himself saved! This then will be great news!
Is EO/RO dogma the same as RC?
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Put it in the Recreational Forum!
We can start it together...
Effigetical burnings at the stake!
Real ones soon to follow!
A gala fest of hatred and vituperations...
With you and me as the notzo-innocents being sacrificed to the demon-gods...
It'll be great!
Straight out of the last Beattitude...
But enough of my optimism!
God bless you!
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We have not been in Communion with the Latins for a thousand years...
The Latins were Orthodox for the first thousand years of Christianity...
Pope Leo of Rome was a Pillar of Orthodoxy...
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how can some serious discussions/challenges to what one believes, whether it be Bible-based or not, be considered as "bashing"? The truth often does hurt and can indeed leave a person feeling bruised!
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then Mary could not have been sinless! As someone sinless does not need a personal Saviour, which is exactly what she needed!
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