Catholic vs. Protestant – why is there so much animosity?"

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I would rather learn and stand on what the Spirit has revealed to me than what another has espoused.... of course that means that I'll be in agreement at times with peoples from different faiths as God has His people across all spectrum's and His truth can be found among His people...
Test the spirits, because many of them seek to bar your entry into the True household of God. (1 Timothy 3:15)
 
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Well, you start off making a claim, "The Protestants understand that the RCC teaches a "work-gospel" that can not save and the Catholic church thinks that Protestants teach a "greasy - grace" gospel that requires nothing more than a simple confession of wrong doing/sin due to the emotional preaching of a man."

Something which stands out is that you claim Protestants "understand" but the Catholic church "thinks", when referring to what is believed by others. Anyone who thinks they understand that the Catholic Church teaches a work-gospel is incorrect. The Catholic Church also does not think that Protests teach a "greasy-grace" gospel. (Some Catholics may but the Catholic Church doesn't claim this. Another thing is to try to assume that there is a Protestant Doctrine. There are many churches which consider themselves Protestants and each has their own unique beliefs regarding Christianity.

You assume, "that every Catholic believer will agree that when it comes down to deciding a theological issue about defined Catholic dogma, there isn’t anything to discuss on the Catholic's side because once Rome speaks, it is settled." Boy, you haven't heard Catholics debate about doctrine. :)

Then you say "Whenever there is a theological discussion when trying to debate a Roman Catholic – reason and Scripture are not the Catholic’s final authority; they can always retreat into the “safe zone” of Roman Catholic Authority." Again, you must not have discussed very many topics with Catholics because very few fall into this concept. Most good Catholic debaters are more than happy to go toe to toe with scripture.

Now, I am not here to debate my Protestant brethren on what each believes because my main focus is if God has accepted them by baptizing them in his Holy Spirit. If God accepts them, so do I, regardless of what they may teach.

God Bless

It seems to me that you are intentionally "Looking" for a disagreement. I was attempting to be equally sensitive to both sides errors but of course you saw right through my plan. Good for you.

Now if YOU would like to go toe to toe with me on Scriptures, that would be a real blessing for me.

What say you begin with the "Sinlessness of Mary". YOU go ahead and post those Scriptures that state that and I will be more than happy to speak with you on them.
 
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Test the spirits, because many of them seek to bar your entry into the True household of God. (1 Timothy 3:15)

1 Timothy 3:15........
"but if I am delayed, I WRITE so that you may know how you ought to conduct yourself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth."

1 Timothy 3:15 seems to me to be saying to us how we should behave in the house of God.

IMO when I read that verse Paul is telling Timothy how to conduct the proper order of his personal conduct and how to manage the affairs of the church.

WHY?.......Because if the affairs of the church do not conform to the standards set forth in Paul's epistles, which were the Words of God that became canonized, then the truth of God would be undermined. That is why PAUL WROTE to him.

IMO it comes back to the "Authority issue"......The epistles from Paul or the actions of men.
 
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1 Timothy 3:15........
"but if I am delayed, I WRITE so that you may know how you ought to conduct yourself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth."

1 Timothy 3:15 seems to me to be saying to us how we should behave in the house of God.

IMO when I read that verse Paul is telling Timothy how to conduct the proper order of his personal conduct and how to manage the affairs of the church.

WHY?.......Because if the affairs of the church do not conform to the standards set forth in Paul's epistles, which were the Words of God that became canonized, then the truth of God would be undermined. That is why PAUL WROTE to him.

IMO it comes back to the "Authority issue"......The epistles from Paul or the actions of men.
The epistles of Paul are only authoritative when interpreted in the Light of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the authority Who reveals the True meaning of the written Word that is inspired by Him. Your own rational mind interpreting Scripture while demons present you, all the while, with images and thoughts which basically amount to lies about the Church and Holy Tradition is not Truth. Pure, imageless prayer, wherein the mind enters into the heart and stands in repentance there in the presence of God, is needed: This is a critical part of Holy Tradition. The narrow Way by which few enter.
 
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It seems to me that you are intentionally "Looking" for a disagreement. I was attempting to be equally sensitive to both sides errors but of course you saw right through my plan. Good for you.

Now if YOU would like to go toe to toe with me on Scriptures, that would be a real blessing for me.

What say you begin with the "Sinlessness of Mary". YOU go ahead and post those Scriptures that state that and I will be more than happy to speak with you on them.
Start with these:

Hail Mary, Conceived Without Sin | Catholic Answers

You lose.
 
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I would rather learn and stand on what the Spirit has revealed to me than what another has espoused.... of course that means that I'll be in agreement at times with peoples from different faiths as God has His people across all spectrum's and His truth can be found among His people...
Well a spirit has revealed something to you. What spirit that is remains to be determined.
 
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It seems to me that you are intentionally "Looking" for a disagreement. I was attempting to be equally sensitive to both sides errors but of course you saw right through my plan. Good for you.
Thank you. Psychologists can usually see through Freudian slips.
Now if YOU would like to go toe to toe with me on Scriptures, that would be a real blessing for me.
Evidently you didn't read my post very well. You seem to be looking for a fight about what you believe and I clearly wrote that I wasn't looking for that with my Protestant brethren.
 
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No sir, you assume in error.

We/Me think that ALL people are damned without the shed blood of the Lord Jesus Christ no matter what they think that they are.

The greatest missionary field in the world is a Church auditorium!

No you all don't, that is a big lie. You all want little you and hate that any stray from your little evangelical path.For instances I believe in the Real Prensce in the Eucharist, I believe god dispenses grace through all the sacraments but you guys would sAy i am lost.
 
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No you all don't, that is a big lie. You all want little you and hate that any stray from your little evangelical path.For instances I believe in the Real Prensce in the Eucharist, I believe god dispenses grace through all the sacraments but you guys would sAy i am lost.

NOPE. I would simply ask you to show that to me in the Scriptures.
 
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The epistles of Paul are only authoritative when interpreted in the Light of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the authority Who reveals the True meaning of the written Word that is inspired by Him. Your own rational mind interpreting Scripture while demons present you, all the while, with images and thoughts which basically amount to lies about the Church and Holy Tradition is not Truth. Pure, imageless prayer, wherein the mind enters into the heart and stands in repentance there in the presence of God, is needed: This is a critical part of Holy Tradition. The narrow Way by which few enter.

I can see that you are trying to say something but I do not understand what it is.

The epistles of Paul ARE authorities because they WERE given to him through the Holy Spirit.

My dear friend, the words Paul wrote down were authoritative the very second they hit the paper.
My rational or irrational thinking has nothing to do with it.

I was giving you exegesis of the Scriptures you quoted from 1 Tim. 3:15, because there was no mention of "testing the spirits" in those particular verses.
 
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No you all don't, that is a big lie. You all want little you and hate that any stray from your little evangelical path.For instances I believe in the Real Prensce in the Eucharist, I believe god dispenses grace through all the sacraments but you guys would sAy i am lost.

Again that is not true. There is NO straying from the Bible truth that ALL have sinned and NOONE is worthy to be saved my dear friend. There is NO evangelical path for one person and a different path for someone else.

John 14:1
"Ye believe in God, believe also in ME. No one comes to the Father except by me as I am the way the truth and the life".

If you are a Catholic believer and have placed your faith only in the Lord Jesus Christ then as far as I know you would be a saved person. It is all about Jesus Christ my friend and nothing less.
 
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Thank you. Psychologists can usually see through Freudian slips.

Evidently you didn't read my post very well. You seem to be looking for a fight about what you believe and I clearly wrote that I wasn't looking for that with my Protestant brethren.

My apologies. It just seemed to me that is was YOU who were looking for the fight.
I was just posting what is seen on every single web site in the world when Catholics and Protestants debate.

When you said.........." Most good Catholic debaters are more than happy to go toe to toe with scripture,"
I took that as a challenge and it seems that you did not mean that way.

I certainly do not want to argue with you.
 
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NOPE. I would simply ask you to show that to me in the Scriptures.
And when he/she does, you will not agree, you will debate for 10 pages, and neither of you will change your mind. I know that you are an infallible interpreter of Scripture and all, but you are simply going to have to accept that other people understand Scripture differently than you do.
 
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I can see that you are trying to say something but I do not understand what it is.

The epistles of Paul ARE authorities because they WERE given to him through the Holy Spirit.

My dear friend, the words Paul wrote down were authoritative the very second they hit the paper.
My rational or irrational thinking has nothing to do with it.

I was giving you exegesis of the Scriptures you quoted from 1 Tim. 3:15, because there was no mention of "testing the spirits" in those particular verses.
The epistles of Paul are only understood by those initiated into the Life of God, by the power of the Holy Spirit (2 Peter 3:16). This power exists in its fullness inside of the Church that is protected and preserved by Him.
 
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Who are you quoting? Jesus, Peter, John, Paul, Jude?

Frankly I think that quote comes from the pits of Perdition.
Frankly, I think you should have realized a long time ago that I could not care less about what you think.
 
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From the web site YOU suggested..............
Romans 3:23 says, "All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." First John 1:8 adds, "If any man says he has no sin he is a liar and the truth is not in him." These texts could not be clearer for millions of Protestants: "How could anyone believe Mary was free from all sin in light of these Scripture passages? What’s more, Mary herself said, ‘My soul rejoices in God my savior’ in Luke 1:47. She clearly understood herself to be a sinner if she admits to needing a savior."

I agree totally!

The Catholic Church teaches two errors with reference to Mary’s alleged sinlessness:
1). It argues that the mother of Jesus was conceived “immaculately,” i.e., she did not inherit, as others supposedly do, the guilt of Adam’s “original sin.”
2). The Roman Church contends that Mary never committed an actual sin.

Neither one of those teachings have any Scripture whatsoever to support them. They are both RCC Traditions which came from man and not God.

Both of these views are false unless you are A Catholic.

It is not true that Mary never committed an actual sin. In her magnificent psalm uttered while carrying the Christ child, she exclaimed, “My soul doth magnify the Lord, and my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior” (Luke 1:47). Observe that she referred to the Lord as “my Savior”—not merely “a Savior,” or “the Savior.” No sinless person needs a Savior. Clearly this statement implies that Mary was a sinner just like the rest of us (Romans 3:23).

The belief that Mary lived without sin from the moment of her conception springs from Church tradition. It evolved over a period of time and was not formally defined as a teaching of the Church until 1854. It is not found explicitly in Scripture, but seems for Catholics to flow naturally from the testimony of Scripture that Mary was “full of grace” (Luke 1:28) and “blessed” (Luke 1:42).

http://bustedhalo.com/ministry-reso...-why-does-the-catholic-church-act-like-she-is
 
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This whole thread is all about Major1's dislike of ALL things Catholic! It was his way of stirring things up as usual. Look at any Catholic thread he has posted in. It's always the same!

He is stuck in his little non-denom world. Thinking he knows all the answers and the Bible better than anyone else! Anyone can quote scripture. Scripture interpretations are two a penny. There are thousands like Major1 who think only their interpretations are the right ones!

I believe in Jesus. I believe in Jesus when He gave Peter the Keys. When He built His church on Peter, the Rock. I believe in Jesus when He said the gates of hell would not prevail against His church.

Many have tried to sink the Catholic Church. Many like Major1 over the centuries. All with their own ideas, opinions and interpretations of scripture. All failed to topple the church.

Jesus is the Cornerstone of the CC. It's roof may have holes, it's walls may have cracks, it's doors may be creaking, it's floors may be strained, but, as Jesus is it's cornerstone, and, it has been built on solid foundations, people like Major1 will never be able to pull it down!

The CC is guided by the Holy Spirit. It has Apostolic succession. It has Sacred Tradition entwined with Sacred Scripture!

Sola Scripture people, like Major1, are like tiny little rowing boats in a massive ocean without a rudder! They are lost. They left to go their own 'individual' way. They could not weather the storm. They only see in black and white.
 
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Frankly, I think you should have realized a long time ago that I could not care less about what you think.

I would say that we all know exactly that.
 
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From the web site YOU suggested..............
Romans 3:23 says, "All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." First John 1:8 adds, "If any man says he has no sin he is a liar and the truth is not in him." These texts could not be clearer for millions of Protestants: "How could anyone believe Mary was free from all sin in light of these Scripture passages? What’s more, Mary herself said, ‘My soul rejoices in God my savior’ in Luke 1:47. She clearly understood herself to be a sinner if she admits to needing a savior."

I agree totally!

The Catholic Church teaches two errors with reference to Mary’s alleged sinlessness:
1). It argues that the mother of Jesus was conceived “immaculately,” i.e., she did not inherit, as others supposedly do, the guilt of Adam’s “original sin.”
2). The Roman Church contends that Mary never committed an actual sin.

Neither one of those teachings have any Scripture whatsoever to support them. They are both RCC Traditions which came from man and not God.

Both of these views are false unless you are A Catholic.

It is not true that Mary never committed an actual sin. In her magnificent psalm uttered while carrying the Christ child, she exclaimed, “My soul doth magnify the Lord, and my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior” (Luke 1:47). Observe that she referred to the Lord as “my Savior”—not merely “a Savior,” or “the Savior.” No sinless person needs a Savior. Clearly this statement implies that Mary was a sinner just like the rest of us (Romans 3:23).

The belief that Mary lived without sin from the moment of her conception springs from Church tradition. It evolved over a period of time and was not formally defined as a teaching of the Church until 1854. It is not found explicitly in Scripture, but seems for Catholics to flow naturally from the testimony of Scripture that Mary was “full of grace” (Luke 1:28) and “blessed” (Luke 1:42).

http://bustedhalo.com/ministry-reso...-why-does-the-catholic-church-act-like-she-is
No, all of the arguments you make are refuted in the article I posted.

You lose.
 
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The epistles of Paul are only understood by those initiated into the Life of God, by the power of the Holy Spirit (2 Peter 3:16). This power exists in its fullness inside of the Church that is protected and preserved by Him.

Are you trying to say that only those who are born again can understand the things of God as found in the Scriptures who are authored by God?
 
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