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What is the purpose of the thousand-year reign of Christ?
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When we understand?
When Jesus Christ returns with the holy angels, its the final judgment, lake of fire, eternal life, "Eternal Kingdom Time"
There will be no earthly 1000 year kingdom, with mortal humans present, eternity has started
Will you disregard the very simple explanation of scripture as presented below?
1.) Will you deny "Eternal Life" is seen in verse 46?
2.) Will you deny those that obtained "Eternal Life", enter a kingdom in verse 34 thats "Eternal"?
(Verses 31-32) Jesus returns with the holy angels, the nations are gathered before the throne, judgment takes place.
(Verse 34) The "Eternal Kingdom" is presented for the righteous to enter.
(Verse 41) The wicked are judged to the lake of fire.
(Verse 46) The righteous obtain "Eternal Life" and enter the "Eternal Kingdom" seen in verse 34.
Matthew 25:31-46KJV
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
When Jesus Christ returns with the holy angels, its the final judgment, lake of fire, eternal life, "Eternal Kingdom Time"
There will be no earthly 1000 year kingdom, with mortal humans present, eternity has started
Will you disregard the very simple explanation of scripture as presented below?
1.) Will you deny "Eternal Life" is seen in verse 46?
2.) Will you deny those that obtained "Eternal Life", enter a kingdom in verse 34 thats "Eternal"?
(Verses 31-32) Jesus returns with the holy angels, the nations are gathered before the throne, judgment takes place.
(Verse 34) The "Eternal Kingdom" is presented for the righteous to enter.
(Verse 41) The wicked are judged to the lake of fire.
(Verse 46) The righteous obtain "Eternal Life" and enter the "Eternal Kingdom" seen in verse 34.
Matthew 25:31-46KJV
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
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seventysevens
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Unfortunately we are back at the pre- v post thing
It seems you are someone who will think about things instead of just rushing in . Consider some things,
There will be mortal humans giving birth to the people who populate the earth after the Great Trib, they are the ones who can be deceived by satan during the 1000 years; as the immortal cannot be deceived
Matt 24 is the most misstated chapter of the bible
Of all the mortals on earth during this time , those who reject Christ die , those who accept Christ will live ,
Just as in today there are people who accept Christ then turn to a life style that is not acceptable to God , God tells them to repent for if they do not repent they will be cast into outer darkness.
It is one thing to say they are Christian , but Christ says you have to live up to it as He says that there will be those that say 'we cast out demons in Your Name' Christ responds saying 'depart from me I never knew you;
If all who accept Christ during the Great Trib become immortal at Christ 2nd coming and those who reject Christ die at his return , who will be the ones that can be deceived by satan during the 1000 years ?
In Every case where God said he was going to bring disaster to earth He gave very explicit instruction on what to do to escape physical harm . Noah build an ark...Lot leave that city and don't look back for I will destroy that city ...every time there is very explicit instruction
Please provide scripture that God gave an explicit instruction on how to be protected through the Great Trib . God does not contradict Himself , God does not lie , God told us point blank he will remove us from the Great Trib
In order for the post-trib view is to be believed you must have scripture that plainly openly says that people that have accepted Christ as savoir BEFORE the Great Trib begins will go through it
Scripture does not say that at all anywhere in the bible .
It only references those who did not accept Christ as savoir until AFTER the Great Trib started , them being in it is what convinced them to accept Christ
If you can find scripture that states that people who have accepted Christ as savoir BEFORE the Great Trib begins will go through it , I want to see it
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Most modern Christians do not understand the reason for a pretrib removal of the Church, as you are promoting.
Its purpose is so that God can go back and deal with the modern descendants of Jacob under the Old Covenant system during the 7 year period before the Second Coming of Christ.
At least that was the original classic form of the doctrine brought to America, about the time of the Civil War.
Here is the problem.
The New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34 is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and is specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:22-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8.
On the Day of Pentecost Peter addressed the crowd as "all the house of Israel" in Acts 2:36.
Paul still considered himself an Israelite in Romans 11:1.
James addressed his letter to "the twelve tribes".
When the Church began almost all of its members were Israelites.
The Gentiles were grafted in several years later.
The Church as a whole has never been a "Gentile Church".
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant of Christ the whole Two Peoples of God doctrine falls apart and its pretrib removal doctrine falls with it.
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Jer_31:31 "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—
Mat_26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Mar_14:24 And He said to them, "This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many.
Luk_22:20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.
1Co_11:25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."
2Co_3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
Heb_8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—
Heb_8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Heb_9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
Heb_12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
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The New Covenant: Bob George
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Riberra
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Lets do a side by side comparison:
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
Jesus come in the Clouds In The Air---at the sound of a trumpet----there is a gathering
Matthew 24:27-31
Jesus come in the Clouds In The Air---at the sound of a trumpet----there is a gathering.
Paul and Jesus talk about the same event who is tied to the Coming Of Jesus in the Clouds...AFTER THE TRIBULATION.
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seventysevens
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There is a whole lot more to it that just those scriptures and just seeing similarities does not prove an answer , that is like looking in a phone book and seeing the name John Smith 22 times and think it is 22 phone numbers for the same person
Why don't you answer the questions asked of you?
1.- If all who accept Christ during the Great Trib become immortal at Christ 2nd coming and those who reject Christ die at his return , who will be the ones that can be deceived by satan during the 1000 years , you agree the 1000 years Christ is on earth , you agree that satan is locked in the abyss during that time , you agree that satan is released to deceive people -WHO ARE THOSE PEOPLE ?
2.In Every case where God said he was going to bring disaster to earth He gave very explicit instruction on what to do to escape physical harm . Noah build an ark...Lot leave that city and don't look back for I will destroy that city ...every time there is very explicit instruction
Where do you see God saying - Do this to receive protection from PHYSICAL HARM that can hurt you during the Great Trib ?
The answer is so simple , but it will be necessary to break it down piece by piece to help you and others see it . Like a Rubix cube ; people will spend days and weeks trying to solve the puzzle , but once they have solved it they can do the puzzle in seconds simply because now they 'see' what the answer is
the assumed assumption always fails - especially when God has told explicitly how he will protect us from harm
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seventysevens
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The pre- trib harpazo is the most widely accepted and believed view of the rapture , it has only been in recent years that people have started acknowledging a post trib view simply because a teaching of it started happening by TV personalities who also supported the ' give $1000 to a preacher that asks for it and you will receive 100 fold return on investment bogus style preaching , that is not saying that view has not been around longer it just became popular by the same people who preaching other nonsense
Most believers don't want to waste their time trying to convince someone to believe any differently as it is not a salvation issue , all true believers will be caught up in a pre-trib rapture even you as long as you have accepted Christ as your personal Lord and savoir and have become born-again in spirit as Jesus taught . REGARDLESS of what people believe
I will show you , but the post will be long and explanatory,explaining details that some simply overlook or so much in a rush they don't really meditate on scripture to see what it really means and how it is being applied
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You did not deal with the New Covenant.
You are attempting to ignore the New Covenant text that destroys your doctrine.
The New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34 is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and is specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:22-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8.
The New Covenant kills the Two Peoples of God doctrine and its pretrib removal of the Church.
As for the history of the post-trib viewpoint, look below at how pre-trib author Grant Jeffrey cut and pasted the post-trib writings of the Early Church Fathers to twist them into his pre-trib viewpoint.
Pretribulationist Revisionism
(Grant Jeffrey’s revision of early Church Posttrib viewpoints)
Pastor Tim Warner
http://www.answersinrevelation.org/Jeffrey.pdf
If this is what is necessary to make the doctrine work, you may want to take another look at what you are promoting.
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Riberra
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That will be the group in Israel called THE Woman who will flee in the wilderness Revelation 12:14 [Petra]...that will be under God's protection during the 42 months reign of the Beast .They will populate the Earth during the millennium as mortal humans....they will not be changed into immortality unto the Coming of Jesus.That is their descendants who will be deceived by Satan when Satan will be released ...
Noah and his family have not been taken out of the Earth for protection and Loth and his family have not been taken out of the Earth for protection...
As I said above the only ones that will be under DIRECT God's protection is the group called the WOMAN Revelation 12:14...and the 144,000 sealed of God mentioned in Revelation 7.
Revelation 12:14
14 And there were given to the woman the two wings of the great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness unto her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
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seventysevens
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The reason I mention Noah and Lot is simply because there is very explicit instruction from God in HOW he will save then from the destruction that God is sending upon the land
Noah - Build an ark in that ark you will not be harmed
Lot - Get out of that city NOW for I am going to destroy it - if you stay you will die -get out of that city and don't even look back at , look at what happened when his wife looked back --very explicit
NO Such instruction at all about God saying how he will protect people through the Great Trib- except that Jesus will remove those who are committed unto HIM Before the Great Trib begins , yes people who live in Israel will seek shelter in the wilderness -- but there are more places on earth than Israel
You saying that everyone else on earth that is not living in Israel dies when the antichrist sends out the command to kill all the Jews in Judea and local surrounding area ?
You saying that only those that are in Israel that flee to the wilderness will be spared their lives and everyone else on earth will die ?
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seventysevens
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IF you would understand what you read , I will break it down for you , but because it is necessary to break it down , it will be long , I don't have time tonight to do it , will doi t tomorrow night or Saturday
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I taught reading for a number of years.
I have never had any problem in the area of reading comprehension.
How many of the verses below contain the words "new covenant"?
Jer_31:31 "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—
Mat_26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Mar_14:24 And He said to them, "This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many.
Luk_22:20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.
1Co_11:25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."
2Co_3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
Heb_8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—
Heb_8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Heb_9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
Heb_12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
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seventysevens
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It would be nice if you showed that experience level here in the forum
the New Covenant and how you wish to push it is not directly related to what I speak about
You have formed an opinion that you want to push as if you and only people who agree with you are correct , which is actually incorrect
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I find it sadly humorous, the way Christians seem to always take a thousand years to mean a day. Or a day to mean a thousand years. This seems to be any time they read the phrase.. But what does the Word say?
2 Peter 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
To an eternal being one could say that a thousand years would seem like a day, or even one day seem like a thousand years....To an eternal being, time would be totally irrelevant.
So....What was the chapter talking about? Was God saying that every time you read the phrase 'one day' you are to automatically read 'a thousand years'? Definitely not. Let me give you a few examples of why not...
Jesus and His disciples were going to preach at a nearby town. Jesus wanted a fig from a tree...No figs....Jesus cursed the tree, the disciples looked at each other and shrugged. They got to the town and Jesus preached, then the next morning they passed that fig tree again..It was dead from the roots up....Did they pass the tree again the next day? Or a thousand years later?
They laid Jesus in the tomb..He was there for three days.....Three thousand years? Or three days?
And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. Forty thousand years? Or forty days?
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Consider.....What was the chapter talking about? What was the problem Paul was dealing with? People were getting impatient with waiting on God and Paul was explaining to them that we are no working on mans time, but on eternity, where time is not..
The thousand year reign of Jesus, which will begin soon, is a thousand years. Its purpose? It gives humanity a last chance to turn to Him, unhindered by the tempter. Even then some will refuse His invitation....
The second reason is a bit more abstract, a bit more hidden.....The Bride...Who will rule with Him needs training.....That is when she will be training.. Where does the Word say that? Start here.
Revelation 20:6
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