Christian outreach to Satanists.....

[DennisTate]

In Canadian politics, now we have to deal with the same people buying off the US politicians, they now have the same speech writers and playwrights.

And what I am proposing could even increase this trend........

Pope Francis, President Trump, 4.3 Trillion Petro-Dollars and JUBILEE!

 

[MehGuy]

In reality you might just be outreaching to a bunch of atheist edge-lords, lol.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

In reality you might just be outreaching to a bunch of atheist edge-lords, lol.

I looked that up, it had some funny results.

 

[ViaCrucis]

So actual Satanists, not the comic book ones, don't have scary dark powers, and most Satanists don't even believe in the existence of Satan or devils of any sort to begin with. LeVeyan Satanism is a philosophy of selfishness and self-worship, "Satan" is merely symbolic. There are Satanists who do believe in Satan, but they are far fewer in number and they also don't have mystical dark powers either.

The "danger" here is in mistreating your fellow human beings and thinking they have spiritual cooties and are going to hex you. This sort of bogeyman thinking is superstitious hokum. The command of Christ is absolute: love your neighbor. If they are hungry, give them food; if they are thirsty, give them drink. If they hate you, you love; if they curse you, you bless.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[DennisTate]

In reality you might just be outreaching to a bunch of atheist edge-lords, lol.

True......
but a new theory in Theoretical Physics combined with some material from a famous near death experience seems to present Christians, Jews, Muslims, Pagans, Hindus, Buddhists,
people of essentially all religions, and yes..... even Satanists with what we could come to view as a
common problem...... a common enemy!

Dannion Brinkley had a near death experience back in 1975....
he was shown a lot of future events....
by writing down what he was shown....
many of us learned from what he saw and changed our behaviour...

Perhaps those experiences are modern examples of
the visions given to Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, the minor prophets and
the author of Revelation......

We can learn a lot from what Dannion Brinkley saw about
the final anti-Christ.......

The Prophecies of Dannion Brinkley

Dannion Brinkley...... "BOX 12: Technology & Virus

The 11th box was gone & I was into the 12th box. Its visions addressed an important event in the distant future, the decade of the 90's (remember, this was 1975), when many of the great changes would take place. In this box, I watched as a biological engineer from the Middle East found a way to alter DNA & create a biological virus that would be used in the manufacture of computer chips. This discovery allowed for huge strides in science & technology. Japan, China, & other countries of the Pacific Rim experienced boom times as a result of this discovery & became powers of incredible magnitude. Computer chips produced from this process found their way into virtually every form of technology, from cars & airplanes to vacuum cleaners & blenders.

Before the turn of the century, this man was among the richest in the world, so rich that he had a stranglehold on the world economy. Still the world welcomed him, since the computer chips he had designed somehow put the world on an even keel. Gradually, he succumbed to his own power. He began to think of himself as a deity & insisted on greater control of the world. With that extra control, he began to rule the world.

His method of rule was unique. Everyone in the world was mandated by law to have one of his computer chips inserted underneath his or her skin. This chip contained all of an individual's personal information. If a government agency wanted to know something, all it had to do was scan your chip with a special device. By doing so, it could discover everything about you, from where you worked & lived to your medical records & even what kind of illnesses you might get in the future.

There was an even more sinister side to this chip. A person's lifetime could be limited by programming this chip to dissolve & kill him with the viral substance it was made from. Lifetimes were controlled like this to avoid the cost that growing old places on the government. It was also used as a means of eliminating people with chronic illnesses that put a drain on the medical system. People who refused to have chips implanted in their bodies roamed as outcasts. They could not be employed & were denied government services." (Dannion Brinkley, Saved By The Light, chapter 5)

 

[DennisTate]

So actual Satanists, not the comic book ones, don't have scary dark powers, and most Satanists don't even believe in the existence of Satan or devils of any sort to begin with. LeVeyan Satanism is a philosophy of selfishness and self-worship, "Satan" is merely symbolic. There are Satanists who do believe in Satan, but they are far fewer in number and they also don't have mystical dark powers either.

The "danger" here is in mistreating your fellow human beings and thinking they have spiritual cooties and are going to hex you. This sort of bogeyman thinking is superstitious hokum. The command of Christ is absolute: love your neighbor. If they are hungry, give them food; if they are thirsty, give them drink. If they hate you, you love; if they curse you, you bless.

-CryptoLutheran

True..... a very high percentage of "Satanists" cannot do controlled out of the body experiences but.......
a few can......
and I personally could be naive... but I believe that all that Mr. John Ramirez states about his abilities while he was a Satanist........
are as true and accurate as he humanly could recount his own personal story.

 

[DennisTate]

There's a difference between satanists of the historical variety and of the lavey satanism and there are also discordian satanists that may incorporate misconceptions into their beliefs just for kicks.

I went through such a strange personal theological and philosophical crisis from 1990 to 2000 that I have at least some empathy for both variations of Satanists.


Found the missing Church of Revelation!

i betcha you cannot think of anything that you ever did......
or prayed about......
that would be quite as dumb as what I told Rabbi Yeshayahu Hollander about back in 2010?

I got so angry with Messiah Yeshua - Jesus over two things that he said........
(well.... three actually).... that for ten years... .I often used four letter words while praying????????!

No kidding.... i think I was trying to make Messiah Yeshua - Jesus angry with me??????


My conversation with the Rabbi.....

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I went through such a strange personal theological and philosophical crisis from 1990 to 2000 that I have at least some empathy for both variations of Satanists.


Found the missing Church of Revelation!

From my observation, previous satanists tend to go into more rule oriented traditions because it seems safer. As far as church goes.

 

[DennisTate]

From my observation, previous satanists tend to go into more rule oriented traditions because it seems safer. As far as church goes.

Mr. John Ramirez would tend to want to graviTate to a religion similar to that of Pastor Nicky Cruz.... due to a personal experience that he had with the Nicky Cruz ministry when they were in his city...... John went out to smoke them...... and saw a wall of fire around Pastor Nick Cruz's co-workers..... so he was seriously impressed!

 

[MehGuy]

I looked that up, it had some funny results.

Yeah it is, lol. As a fan of black metal unfortunately I run into this "satanist" nonsense there too. Although in that scene some musicians purposely went out of their way to portray themselves as actual theistic satanists. Didn't help that actual church burnings and a few murders were tied into that scene. Although the motivations for the church burnings seemed to largely be inspired by a sense of "pagan revenge" and antisemitism, lol.

Most "satanists" I've ran across on the web have for the most part been unpleasant people. Who seem to want to go out of their way to be misunderstood. Many holding a greedy libertarian mindset too, which I personally find revolting. Not that I didn't have my atheist edge lord days, lol. Just that I never found Satan appealing, even as a metaphor.

 

[DennisTate]

Contemporary Satanism of the LaVeyan type is not a theistic (or whatever corresponding term you might find for it) religion. It's closer to Ayn Rand's "Objectivism" than to the stereotype you are familiar with. They don't believe in a literal devil OR god, instead perceiving them as symbolic myths (and embracing the imagery of a rebellious misfit who opposes any kind of tyranny). So yes, they are atheists (of a kind), not actual devil-worshippers. Just don't lump all other atheists in with them, or else you'd have to do the same with all theists when we talk about ACTUAL theistic Satanists.
They are basically dog-eat-dog individualists, social darwinists who embrace egotism as a virtue.

There are some groups affiliated with the "Left Hand Path" (a term derived from Hindu terminology, where it denotes religious traditions that seek enlightenment by breaking taboos instead of upholding them) that actually *DO* believe in the supernatural, but even these rarely resemble the stereotypes you know from horror films and evangelical propaganda. They often believe in a kind of Jungian "shadow work", where you have to confront your repressed, darker aspects in order to keep them from becoming monstrous, and instead becoming a more actualized person by moving beyond that. In their opinion, people who just try to move towards the light just cast increasingly darker shadows, repressing aspects of themselves that do not fit into the externalized image of virtue and morality - and these shadows fester and grow monstrous, often even while the believers are still convinced they are champions of good. (see: the Crusades, the Inquisition, even the Nazis).

Or... they are lying in order to perpetuate
the massive psychological study that I believe was initiated at least thousands of years.......
probably millions of years previous to the fixing of the earth and universe in Genesis chapter 1: 1-2, that had been destroyed in the original revolt of Lucifer Satan.... and his third of the angels.

NDE of Dr. Richard Eby verifies old earth and gap theory.

Dr. Richard Eby:
......
"Jesus, tell me about this wondrous music all about me. Who is the composer? How is it made? From whence does it come? It is gorgeous!"

I was not disappointed when he began his answer by again asking me:
"Didn't you read my book? Repeatedly it exhorts my children to praise me with music from strings, trumpets, timbrels and voices. It is and was the prime communication of worship and praise and thanksgiving. Since I am the Creator, I am the composer of heaven's music which you are hearing."

Music became the resulting harmony from all of our creations, both of matter and energy. All resonated in unison with us. The elementary form was of and from and in ourselves. I might explain it as a triad of sub-electronic energy particles with and around which We constructed everything in our universe. The wave-forms we called light; whereas the material-forms we called dust of the Earth and water and air. Out of these, and into these, we created animals and birds and fishes and vegetable life to support them. Over these we created a mankind to supervise them as our appointed custodians made in our special image to act for us on Earth!"

Jesus hesitated as I tried to capture the immensity of his explanations.

"You must understand, my son, that original creation mirrored the composition and perfection of Person-God. All creation vibrated in unison with us! There was total accord and harmony everywhere as the whole creation was resonating with and in God!

"Each separate thing or being thus carried out an appointed task in our scheme for the universe. A heaven-form of music resulted as even the stars sang in their appointed circuits. Here in paradise you are hearing these melodious vibrations directly upon your new mind, undistorted. On Earth you heard distorted sounds through the air waves. Throughout heaven the music flows from my throne, uninterrupted, undefiled, and peace-giving."

Jesus paused again.
"My book tells of the time when Lucifer's rebellion in heaven changed some things. He sought to usurp my Father's throne, assume his position as the most high God, and to rule the universe. For that blasphemy Lucifer was cast from heaven to Earth; in fact, I saw him fall as a bolt of lightning! In a tantrum of hate and rage over being deposed so fast he and his fallen angels disfigured our perfect Earth. It became void and uninhabitable. For punishment befitting his enemy of God, Lucifer was given a new name, Satan, since he was the self-appointed "adversary' of the Almighty. Anything that God had made, Satan would attempt to destroy from then on. As Lucifer he had been created the highest angel about the throne, one of his assignments and talents being the chief musician in charge of worship and music. In his rebellious anger he set about destroying harmony on and in the Earth from then on. That is why the Earth where he operates now is out of harmony with God's other creations. In my book we call this disharmony "sin', because it defies God's will that even the heavens declare the glory of God and the firmament show his handiwork.

"But be of good cheer, my son. The Father has permitted me to overcome Satan's world system of sin, and to destroy the works of Satan, and to re-establish righteousness in the hearts of my friends. Eventually in his chosen time he will restore all creation as it once was, in him!" (Dr. Richard Eby, near-death.com)

 

[Arius]

*squirms with vicarious embarrassment*

People, if you want to testify to actual Satanists, don't start out by peddling the bloodthirsty [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]-and-bull stories that they'll immediately identify as the kind of made-up nonsense Christians tell each other in order to bolster their own fears and faith (and maybe titillate themselves).

Do the legwork. Find out what they actually believe and what they are like. If you go to them with the content of this video as your reference point, you'll meet nothing but shut doors, and rightly so.

It's the equivalent of going to a Wiccan and claiming that their religion is actually devil worship culminating in human sacrifice.

Or - to make it more relatable to those who cannot put themselves in anybody else's shoes, and therefore DO assume that anything apart from Christianity as actually demon worship - the equivalent of ancient Romans claiming that Christianity was a cannibalistic sex cult, drinking blood and eating flesh while addressing each other as "brothers and sisters", talking about love all the time.

Actually, if you studied up on the "ancient Romans", like Emperor Constantine and the Catholic Religion, specifically the Jesuit Order, that is exactly what they are (underlined above), .. especially after they created the "Christian Religion".

 

[ViaCrucis]

Oi vey.

That's the Easter Proclamation. the "lucifer" there is Jesus Christ, because "lucifer" is Latin for morning star; and Scripture calls Christ the morning star (2 Peter 1:19).

"Lucifer" isn't a name for the devil. That's a misreading of Isaiah 14 based on making the prophecy against Nebuchadnezzar spiritually about the fall of the devil; but the text never mentions the devil, it calls the king of Babylon "dawn bringer" aka the planet Venus as a sarcastic epithet:

"You will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon: 'How the oppressor has ceased, the insolent fury ceased! ... How you are fallen from heaven, o day star, son of the dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low! You said in your heart, 'I will ascend to heaven above the stars of God, I will set my throne on high; I will sit in the mount of assembly in the far reaches of the north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.' But you are brought down to She'ol, to the far reaches of the pit."

The king of Babylon as ruler of a mighty empire had conquered and owned many nations, and the ruler of Babylon was treated as a god, and insisted on being worshiped as a god--but he is not a god, he is just a mere man who will be beaten and brought low, and one day die and be in the grave like all other mortals.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Arius]

Oi vey.

That's the Easter Proclamation. the "lucifer" there is Jesus Christ, because "lucifer" is Latin for morning star; and Scripture calls Christ the morning star (2 Peter 1:19).

"Lucifer" isn't a name for the devil. That's a misreading of Isaiah 14 based on making the prophecy against Nebuchadnezzar spiritually about the fall of the devil; but the text never mentions the devil, it calls the king of Babylon "dawn bringer" aka the planet Venus as a sarcastic epithet:

"You will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon: 'How the oppressor has ceased, the insolent fury ceased! ... How you are fallen from heaven, o day star, son of the dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low! You said in your heart, 'I will ascend to heaven above the stars of God, I will set my throne on high; I will sit in the mount of assembly in the far reaches of the north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.' But you are brought down to She'ol, to the far reaches of the pit."

Ah, thank goodness you are here to put me on the right track, for a minute I thought Lucifer had something to do with the Devil, Oi vey. I guess the mass had nothing to do with 'pagan god worship', .. you know, like worshipping Deities who reside in the supernatural realm.

So the Vatican's Jesuit run observatory on Mt. Graham observatory named "LUCIFER" has nothing to do with sun-worship, right? Just a coincidence? Thanks.

The king of Babylon as ruler of a mighty empire had conquered and owned many nations, and the ruler of Babylon was treated as a god, and insisted on being worshiped as a god--but he is not a god, he is just a mere man who will be beaten and brought low, and one day die and be in the grave like all other mortals.

-CryptoLutheran

OK, got it. So nothing to do with Satan, Lucifer or the Devil as the ruler of Babylon and many other nations, right? Those names are what, some long dead deified kings, Pharaohs, .. gods who have been "brought low", .. kind of "Fallen from Heaven", .. mere men!? So why today, in this modern age of science all the "worship" of all these 'mere men'?

Oi vey, how some YouTubers could make something out of nothing really, right!? Now if only I wasn't raised in a Catholic Country like Croatia, .. I would say what I witnessed (eyes, ears, slaps in the face, ..) all my life was just a sarcastic epithet, .. but you see, I know better. I read the Bible, and all this Religious deception is from none other than the Fallen angel Lucifer, .. who may have been the King of Babylon, the Chancellor of Nazi Germany, .. who knows how many World Leaders he possessed over history?

Can you explain to me the true interpretation of Mathew 4? Especially this:

Mathew 4:
8 Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 And he said to Him, “All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.”
10 Then Jesus said to him, “Away with you Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve.’”

If 'Lucifer' was a king, then who was this 'devil', .. or this "Satan" Jesus was being tempted by? Who, some Real-estate Salesman?

 

[ViaCrucis]

Ah, thank goodness you are here to put me on the right track, for a minute I thought Lucifer had something to do with the Devil, Oi vey. I guess the mass had nothing to do with 'pagan god worship', .. you know, like worshipping Deities who reside in the supernatural realm.

So the Vatican's Jesuit run observatory on Mt. Graham observatory named "LUCIFER" has nothing to do with sun-worship, right? Just a coincidence? Thanks.



OK, got it. So nothing to do with Satan, Lucifer or the Devil as the ruler of Babylon and many other nations, right? Those names are what, some long dead deified kings, Pharaohs, .. gods who have been "brought low", .. kind of "Fallen from Heaven", .. mere men!? So why today, in this modern age of science all the "worship" of all these 'mere men'?

Oi vey, how some YouTubers could make something out of nothing really, right!? Now if only I wasn't raised in a Catholic Country like Croatia, .. I would say what I witnessed (eyes, ears, slaps in the face, ..) all my life was just a sarcastic epithet, .. but you see, I know better. I read the Bible, and all this Religious deception is from none other than the Fallen angel Lucifer, .. who may have been the King of Babylon, the Chancellor of Nazi Germany, .. who knows how many World Leaders he possessed over history?

Can you explain to me the true interpretation of Mathew 4? Especially this:

Mathew 4:
8 Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 And he said to Him, “All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.”
10 Then Jesus said to him, “Away with you Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve.’”

If 'Lucifer' was a king, then who was this 'devil', .. or this "Satan" Jesus was being tempted by? Who, some Real-estate Salesman?

There's a conspiracy theory board here on CF where all of this garbage is more appropriate.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Arius]

There's a conspiracy theory board here on CF where all of this garbage is more appropriate.

-CryptoLutheran

Show me where this would be considered a "conspiracy theory"? I am pointing out Biblical facts about real live events.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

Arius, stop embarrassing yourself.
Being wrong is one thing.
PERSISTING that you're right after having so clearly been shown the facts is a disgrace.

 

[DennisTate]

I looked that up, it had some funny results.

I just got a video......
that I have to admit... is really a huge part of what every inspired ministry should do!

This is the awesome challenge!

People don't tell others enough.. that they are awesome....
that they are loved.....
that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus loves them......
and that God has got this!!!

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I just got a video......
that I have to admit... is really a huge part of what every inspired ministry should do!

Log into Facebook | Facebook

I'm not on facebook, do you have a link outside facebook with the video?

 

[DennisTate]

I'm not on facebook, do you have a link outside facebook with the video?

Yes... I finally found the link... and posted it in #58......
The speaker is correct.... human beings are awesome......
we do concentrate on the negative too much.