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I realize that this is an extremely dangerous type of ministry to begin but I do think that it is time for a massive awakening by Satanists, who will come to Messiah Yeshua - Jesus with their whole heart.

The testimony of Ms. Benita Morrisette is certainly interesting and actually fits with Matthew chapter 4.


Satanism Ending

My abusers told me that the cult named Satanism is ending and that I was a ritual sacrifice to end Satanism. They said that Second Life was connected to Satanism and so was Disney. They said it was created by a man years ago and that it was running the world in a way. They said that was why there was evil references in the Disney movies and there was racism and things still in Disney. They said they did cult worship of the Devil which included human sacrifice. They said there was more than a thousand people in Satanism. They said that they were becoming Christians but that I was a last sacrifice and that I had been a sacrifice to the Devil. They said they killed many people in the whole of Satanism. They said they mislead people more and that the Sims is also connected to Satanism. They said it effected foreign policy too. They said that I was a sacrifice to the Devil to heal Satanism. They said that they had to seriously torture someone to show their pain and then they would heal that person. They said more people were associated with my kidnapping and torture than I am aware of. They said that all Satanist would be becoming Christian and that there were several movies out about the change from Satanism to Christianity and two of them are Moana and Elena of Avalor. I am still distraught and do not understand why they told me all that but I do believe Satanism is ending and that there will be changes in the world because of it.
 
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I am a Messianic Gentile who began to ask certain questions about forty years ago:

Yom Kippur/The Rapture connection?!

"but the goat on which the lot fell for Aza'zel shall be presented alive before the LORD to make atonement over it, that it may be sent away into the wilderness to Aza'zel."(Leviticus 16:10RSV)

In a nutshell I have came to strongly suspect that Azazel is the fallen angel who will be somewhat like General Abner who brought the ten tribes over to King David or to Rav Shaul/Paul who repented of persecuting Christians and followers of God.

I suspect that when the fallen angel Azazel returns to the God of Abraham with his whole heart...when Yom Kippur is completely fulfilled....then a major step will have been taken toward the ushering in of a truly new era of worldwide peace where even the eating habits of wild animals like lions will be altered!


Matthew 12)
"And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?"
 
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I think that the poll question here in this other discussion is very important for this type of ministry:

Should Christians fight against fallen angels.... not each other?

(Pastor Rick Joyner, The Final Quest):

A New Weapon

The arrows of Truth would rarely penetrate the vultures, but they hurt them enough to drive them back. Every time they were driven back some of us would climb to the next level. When we reached the level called "Galatians Two Twenty," we were above the altitude that the vultures could fly. At this level the sky above almost blinded us with its brightness and beauty. I felt peace like I had never felt it before.

Previously much of my fighting spirit had really been motivated out of as much hatred and disgust for the enemy as it had been for the sake of the kingdom, truth, and love for the prisoners. But it was on this level that I caught up to Faith, Hope, and Love, which before I had only been following at a distance. On this level I was almost overpowered by their glory. When I caught up to them they turned to me, and began repairing and shining my armor. Soon it was completely transformed and exuded the glory that was in them. When they touched my sword, great bolts of brilliant lightning began flashing from it. Love then said, "Those who reach this level are entrusted with the powers of the age to come, but I must teach you how to use them."

The "Galatians Two Twenty" level was so wide that there was no longer any danger of falling. There were also unlimited arrows with the name Hope written on them. We shot some of them down at the vultures, and these arrows killed them easily. About half who had reached this level kept shooting while the others began carrying these arrows down to those still on the lower levels.

The vultures kept coming in waves upon the levels below, but with each one there would be fewer than before. From "Galatians Two Twenty" we could hit any enemy in the army except the leaders themselves, who were still out of range. We decided not to use the arrows of Truth until we had destroyed all of the vultures, because the cloud of depression they created made the truth less effective. This took a very long time, but we never got tired.

Faith, Hope and Love, who had grown like our weapons with each level, were now so large that I knew people far beyond the battle area could see them. Their glory even radiated into the camp of prisoners who were still under a great cloud of vultures. The exhilaration continued to grow in all of us. I felt that being in this army, in this battle, had to be one of the greatest adventures of all time." (Pastor Rick Joyner, The Final Quest).


Can demons be given HOPE?
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*squirms with vicarious embarrassment*

People, if you want to testify to actual Satanists, don't start out by peddling the bloodthirsty [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]-and-bull stories that they'll immediately identify as the kind of made-up nonsense Christians tell each other in order to bolster their own fears and faith (and maybe titillate themselves).

Do the legwork. Find out what they actually believe and what they are like. If you go to them with the content of this video as your reference point, you'll meet nothing but shut doors, and rightly so.

It's the equivalent of going to a Wiccan and claiming that their religion is actually devil worship culminating in human sacrifice.

Or - to make it more relatable to those who cannot put themselves in anybody else's shoes, and therefore DO assume that anything apart from Christianity as actually demon worship - the equivalent of ancient Romans claiming that Christianity was a cannibalistic sex cult, drinking blood and eating flesh while addressing each other as "brothers and sisters", talking about love all the time.
 
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I realize that this is an extremely dangerous type of ministry to begin but I do think that it is time for a massive awakening by Satanists, who will come to Messiah Yeshua - Jesus with their whole heart.

The testimony of Ms. Benita Morrisette is certainly interesting and actually fits with Matthew chapter 4.


Satanism Ending
They dont know they worship a machine.
At least my voices indicate that as they have real people stalking and try to get me to sell my soul. They are weak cowards. I do not forgive murderers.
 
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They dont know they worship a machine.
At least my voices indicate [emphasis mine] that as they have real people stalking and try to get me to sell my soul. They are weak cowards. I do not forgive murderers.
Um.
Get help.

I'm serious, what you are describing here are *extremely* common symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia: voices and Satanic conspirators out to get you included. This could be a genuine mental health crisis, and the sooner you get that checked out, the better your chances of recovery.
 
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*squirms with vicarious embarrassment*

People, if you want to testify to actual Satanists, don't start out by peddling the bloodthirsty [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]-and-bull stories that they'll immediately identify as the kind of made-up nonsense Christians tell each other in order to bolster their own fears and faith (and maybe titillate themselves).

Do the legwork. Find out what they actually believe and what they are like. If you go to them with the content of this video as your reference point, you'll meet nothing but shut doors, and rightly so.

It's the equivalent of going to a Wiccan and claiming that their religion is actually devil worship culminating in human sacrifice.

Or - to make it more relatable to those who cannot put themselves in anybody else's shoes, and therefore DO assume that anything apart from Christianity as actually demon worship - the equivalent of ancient Romans claiming that Christianity was a cannibalistic sex cult, drinking blood and eating flesh while addressing each other as "brothers and sisters", talking about love all the time.


Well said Jane the Bane!

The Satanists that I debated with about fourteen years ago were astonishingly well read and informed.

I even plan to throw a Unified Theory of Modern World Problems into the mix because I am a Christian who happens to take climate change rather seriously but.......
i have been promoting an alternative theory on climate stabilization since 2007 that
fits with Isaiah chapter 35.


My two somewhat humorous submissions for $25 million Virgin Earth Challenge.
Anti-Armageddon Paradigm Shift Monetary Policy Theory The Introduction.


http://www.virginearth.com/

"Dr James Hansen, Director of NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies: “I think we have a very brief window of opportunity to deal with climate change ... no longer than a decade, at the most. This is why I am supporting the Virgin Earth Challenge as a judge – we must explore all means, both known and unknown, to help alleviate this crisis."

Dennis Tate
March 15, 2007

Sir Richard Branson
Virgin Earth Challenge
120 Campden Hill Road
London W8 7AR
United Kingdom

Dear Mr. Branson:

It is my firm belief that the number one technological device to reduce atmospheric greenhouse gases has already been invented. It is the tree.

What is desperately needed at this time is not necessarily a new mechanical device but instead a paradigm shift in economic theory regarding monetary policy. We require a readily understandable explanation on how leaders in business and government can direct not only millions, but actually trillions of dollars of investment into combating global warming.


One of the most effective practical methods that could be put into place in the least amount of time would be dozens of the largest possible desalinization plants all along the Mediterranean and Red Seas. Huge quantities of fresh water could be dripped onto the Sinai and Sahara deserts and voila, well chosen species of newly planted fast growing trees could soon change the color of these relatively desolate areas, significantly reduce atmospheric CO2, positively affect local weather patterns and at the same time significantly counterbalance the increases in worldwide ocean levels as the polar ice caps melt. This will buy us some extra time and thus expand the “very brief window of opportunity to deal with climate change.”

So who is going to finance the construction of all these massive installations not to mention the planting of all those seedling trees?

I believe that it is possible for you to do this yourself Mr. Branson. You have already created a Virgin currency unit/coupon which has astonishing long term potential. My wife Maria Jose just returned from a two week trip to the British VIRGIN Islands. It is theoretically possible to link your Virgin coupon with the national currency of a small nation and you could soon be playing around in macro-economics. Considering the volume of business being done through your Virgin Group I would submit that you already are.

Pope Benedict XVI may be in an even stronger position than you Mr. Branson to transform the world economy virtually overnight through the introduction of a new Vatican Currency Unit that could be linked with each and every national currency where the Vatican State is free to do business.

I plan to elaborate in great detail on these two major alternatives in a later writing but I felt that you and your staff should now see the simple explanation that I wrote up for applying this theory within a micro-economy to greatly reduce unemployment. Although combating global warming would seem to be a conflicting goal to job creation, there need be no dissonance when we all have a better grasp of the big picture.

I ran as an independent for the office of MLA in the most recent Nova Scotia provincial election.


Dennis Tate primary campaign writing for June 13/06 election
http://www.bankingsystemflaws.blogspot.com/


My name is Dennis Tate. I lived most of my forty seven years in West Lochiel Lake, Guysborough County. I am running for MLA as an independent in the area of Pictou Centre so that I can help as many people as possible become more aware of what I am sure is the real reason why our roads are in disrepair, why hospital beds are unused, why so many of the rural schools have been shut down, why our soldiers in Afghanistan are poorly equipped and why many if not most of our young people may have to leave Nova Scotia to find jobs.

When well trained workers have high quality technology to work with then the total of all wages and benefits paid out to employees is only a fraction of the retail value of the products they produce. As a result of this fact the only way to move products out of warehouses is to extend higher and higher levels of credit. One problem with an abundance of red ink is that compound interest on all this government, business and personal debt over a period of decades will grow to astronomical levels. At this time there is approximately TEN TIMES as much debt in Canada as there is money. A simple explanation for how this happened can be seen here:
http://www.michaeljournal.org/plenty34.htm

In my opinion this rather simple mathematical problem is perhaps the number one cause of inflation in the Canadian economy over the past three decades. This is also perhaps the number one reason why our costs of production are so high and Canadian products cannot compete on the world markets as well as they could under better conditions.


From 1940 to 1970 the Government of Canada put roughly half of the total money supply into the economy through loans issued through the federally owned Bank of Canada. Provincial and municipal governments could borrow the money to build roads, schools, hospitals and sewage treatment facilities at zero or one percent interest. In 1970 we changed our system and since that time a higher and higher percentage of all government debt is financed through loans issued through privately owned banks. At this time it is ninety eight percent. This policy may be great for our banking sector but it was estimated that in the one year of 1995 alone our federal government could have saved roughly SIXTY FIVE BILLION DOLLARS in interest payments if we had gone back to creating half the total money supply through these low interest rate loans issued through the bank that is OWNED BY ALL CANADIANS.

Considering that our deficit was approximately thirty billion dollars for that year, simply by changing back to an already proven monetary and banking system, we could theoretically have had a FEDERAL BUDGET SURPLUS OF THIRTY FIVE BILLION DOLLARS in 1995.


The massive cutbacks in the Canadian military, in health care, highway construction, social programs and education were profoundly affected by these accounting practices?

So what can you and I do about this problem?
1. If we will do our homework and study this question we can put pressure on our provincial level politicians to create a provincially owned bank. A true Bank of Nova Scotia owned by all Nova Scotians could be used to finance town and municipal government projects at zero or one percent interest just as The Bank of Canada used to do.

2. Town and municipal government officials in New Glasgow, Stellarton and Trenton should seriously consider creating a local currency unit such as has been done in Ithaca, New York.
http://www.ithacahours.org/directory.php
This is a great way to promote local businesses and help sustain rural economies.

3. It is also possible for groups of concerned individuals to get together and organize a local barter exchange as a cooperative. Mr. Rob Assels has been instrumental in just such an initiative in the Tatamagouche and River John area so surely we can get similar organizations up and running here in New Glasgow, Pictou, Stellarton, Trenton and Westville. Here is a link into the Halifax LETS system:
halifaxlets.com/


Let’s discuss the various options available on the Pictou County Portal Message board. If you have trouble using this technology maybe you could hire a young person to help you get started?
...pcconnects.ca/portal/c/portal/layout

I just completed the first year of the Information Technology Program at Stellarton Campus of NSCC. I am running in Pictou Centre because I know that the towns of New Glasgow, Stellarton and Trenton have the people, the industrial base and the technological capability to become powerhouses of job creation not only for this area but also for all the surrounding regions.

“The wealth that is in the city comes from the countryside.”
Creating new jobs in New Glasgow, Stellarton, and Trenton will ultimately depend on job creation in the surrounding rural areas.

Thank you immensely for taking the time to consider these points. By deciding to vote for me on June 13 you will be sending a clear message to the various political parties that you want them to take a serious look at these flaws in our monetary system and at these possible remedies. From now on if a politician tells you that they have to close down a school because of budgetary restraints, you may know far more about what is really happening than they do.


Warmest regards,




Dennis Tate

p.s. I shall be back to you shortly Sir with an explanation of how your Virgin Group could implement this theory in a form that for all intents and purposes could be patented/copyrighted.

“And the LORD said, Behold, the people [is] one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.” (Genesis 11:6 KJV).

“A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all [things].” (Ecclesiastes 10: 19).
 
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They dont know they worship a machine.
At least my voices indicate that as they have real people stalking and try to get me to sell my soul. They are weak cowards. I do not forgive murderers.

But we all have to come to the place where we realize that
you and I really cannot judge others......
and it is not our job anyway.

Hebrews 9:27

"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:"

John 5:22

"For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:"

John 16:25

"These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father."


Both Christians as well as pagans and members of all religions are facing
an extremely important question as increasing medical technology brings a higher and higher percentage of people back from a brush with death.


The being of light of NDE fame, G-d or Satan?
 
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Um.
Get help.

I'm serious, what you are describing here are *extremely* common symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia: voices and Satanic conspirators out to get you included. This could be a genuine mental health crisis, and the sooner you get that checked out, the better your chances of recovery.

Your advice could be good Jane but......
there is a real possibility that the original Lucifer / Satan was eventually forced to create a machine to continue with the part of the Stanley Milgram type experiment that he had initiated..........
as he personally moved on to new levels.

Near-Death Experiences of Children

I replied, "Well, I'm kind of young to die."

He chuckled. "We have babies die."

I said, "Well, there's some things I want to know first."

He replied, "What do you want to know?"

"What is death?" I asked.

He said, "Turn and look to one side."

As I did, I saw a bad car wreck. Several people had been killed. Out of some of the bodies a spirit came up to progress on.

Some who did not believe it was possible stayed in their bodies and would not emerge. I asked if they could be reached and he said, "Yes, some more quickly than others and some maybe never." Death, then, is not believing in anything.

I asked, "What is hell?"

He said, "Turn and look again."

I saw an old woman in a rocking chair determined to sit and rock and worry about children and grandchildren and everything else. Hell is therefore a lack of wisdom and not moving on, choosing not to go any further, sitting there and doing nothing. Hell is not a place.

I asked if there was a Devil or Satan.

He said to me, "Would God allow that?" He continued, "If I made you God for just a few seconds, what would you do first?"

I knew my first act would be to eliminate any Devil or Satan. I asked, "How do I know right from wrong?"


He replied, "Right is helping and being kind. Wrong is not only hurting someone but not helping when you can."

We walked as I asked about the universe and reasons for everything. All of these things were shown to me. Then he wondered if I still wanted to return to the physical world.

"I do want to return."

He asked, "Why?"

I said I would help my mother whom my father had left with four children and one on the way. God kind of chuckled and asked me for the real reason. I said I would leave the Earth a little better than I found it.

Then you may return with some of the knowledge of the things you have learned, but the rest will be veiled for a time. Live in such a way that you will not be going back when you return here again.

I woke up face down in the mud of the river bottom and was 'lifted' to the top. I threw up great amounts of water, then pulled myself out of the river only to discover my brother had died.


Milgram experiment - Wikipedia
 
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I realize that this is an extremely dangerous type of ministry to begin but I do think that it is time for a massive awakening by Satanists, who will come to Messiah Yeshua - Jesus with their whole heart.

The testimony of Ms. Benita Morrisette is certainly interesting and actually fits with Matthew chapter 4.


Satanism Ending

There is no difference in witnessing to satanist or to atheists.
One must find out what they believe before talking to them about what you believe.

No one likes an arogant knowall who doesn't realy know what you believe, telling you what you believe and why its wrong.

Listen to what they tell you and earn the right to debate beliefs with them.
 
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There is no difference in witnessing to satanist or to atheists.
One must find out what they believe before talking to them about what you believe.

No one likes an arogant knowall who doesn't realy know what you believe, telling you what you believe and why its wrong.

Listen to what they tell you and earn the right to debate beliefs with them.

Yes... a significant percentage of actual Satanists who can control an out of the body
experience...... go online.... .claiming to be Atheists...... but they actually have some of the abilities that former Satanist John Ramirez speaks about.


I believe that the Ancient of Days the Father views Lucifer Satan, Azazel Satan and Lilith Satan.... much as a loving father in our time period may view red blooded teenagers..... who just make some serious mistakes.... .but they will learn.

Is God infinitely ancient?
 
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I get the impression that Mr. John Ramirez is exceptionally truthful............
partly due to his having an astonishingly low level of fear.

Actually...... Satan has been training his own people to become some of the most fearless Christian evangelists who have ever walked the earth...............

The message from Bluerose31 is true in my opinion....... and I have some ideas on why!

Satanism Ending


 
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But we all have to come to the place where we realize that
you and I really cannot judge others......
and it is not our job anyway.

Hebrews 9:27

"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:"

John 5:22

"For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:"

John 16:25

"These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father."


Both Christians as well as pagans and members of all religions are facing
an extremely important question as increasing medical technology brings a higher and higher percentage of people back from a brush with death.


The being of light of NDE fame, G-d or Satan?
Theres tech that can regenerate and keep you living over 300 years.
 
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There's a difference between satanists of the historical variety and of the lavey satanism and there are also discordian satanists that may incorporate misconceptions into their beliefs just for kicks.
 
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They dont know they worship a machine.
At least my voices indicate that as they have real people stalking and try to get me to sell my soul. They are weak cowards. I do not forgive murderers.
Get help, bud...........
 
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Contemporary Satanism of the LaVeyan type is not a theistic (or whatever corresponding term you might find for it) religion. It's closer to Ayn Rand's "Objectivism" than to the stereotype you are familiar with. They don't believe in a literal devil OR god, instead perceiving them as symbolic myths (and embracing the imagery of a rebellious misfit who opposes any kind of tyranny). So yes, they are atheists (of a kind), not actual devil-worshippers. Just don't lump all other atheists in with them, or else you'd have to do the same with all theists when we talk about ACTUAL theistic Satanists.
They are basically dog-eat-dog individualists, social darwinists who embrace egotism as a virtue.

There are some groups affiliated with the "Left Hand Path" (a term derived from Hindu terminology, where it denotes religious traditions that seek enlightenment by breaking taboos instead of upholding them) that actually *DO* believe in the supernatural, but even these rarely resemble the stereotypes you know from horror films and evangelical propaganda. They often believe in a kind of Jungian "shadow work", where you have to confront your repressed, darker aspects in order to keep them from becoming monstrous, and instead becoming a more actualized person by moving beyond that. In their opinion, people who just try to move towards the light just cast increasingly darker shadows, repressing aspects of themselves that do not fit into the externalized image of virtue and morality - and these shadows fester and grow monstrous, often even while the believers are still convinced they are champions of good. (see: the Crusades, the Inquisition, even the Nazis).
 
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It seems to me that you need to show the superiority of Christian philosophy to Satanist philosophy. For example, Satanists would not agree with the idea of "turning the other cheek". I think that would be true of both the atheistic Satanists and the theistic Satanists. So if you could show that "turning the other cheek" makes sense, then you would have some leverage. That is just a single example.
 
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Contemporary Satanism of the LaVeyan type is not a theistic (or whatever corresponding term you might find for it) religion. It's closer to Ayn Rand's "Objectivism" than to the stereotype you are familiar with. They don't believe in a literal devil OR god, instead perceiving them as symbolic myths (and embracing the imagery of a rebellious misfit who opposes any kind of tyranny). So yes, they are atheists (of a kind), not actual devil-worshippers. Just don't lump all other atheists in with them, or else you'd have to do the same with all theists when we talk about ACTUAL theistic Satanists.
They are basically dog-eat-dog individualists, social darwinists who embrace egotism as a virtue.

There are some groups affiliated with the "Left Hand Path" (a term derived from Hindu terminology, where it denotes religious traditions that seek enlightenment by breaking taboos instead of upholding them) that actually *DO* believe in the supernatural, but even these rarely resemble the stereotypes you know from horror films and evangelical propaganda. They often believe in a kind of Jungian "shadow work", where you have to confront your repressed, darker aspects in order to keep them from becoming monstrous, and instead becoming a more actualized person by moving beyond that. In their opinion, people who just try to move towards the light just cast increasingly darker shadows, repressing aspects of themselves that do not fit into the externalized image of virtue and morality - and these shadows fester and grow monstrous, often even while the believers are still convinced they are champions of good. (see: the Crusades, the Inquisition, even the Nazis).

I've been more acquainted with LHP Satanists, and the discordians who were mocking satanism as satanists.
 
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Theres tech that can regenerate and keep you living over 300 years.

Yes....... and a pretty powerful case can be presented that some of the astonishing technology that the USA and Russia have actually may have came from contact with aliens....... and those aliens either are..... or perhaps are in contact with some pretty high level fallen angels or fallen Watchers, (sons of G-d).
 
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It seems to me that you need to show the superiority of Christian philosophy to Satanist philosophy. For example, Satanists would not agree with the idea of "turning the other cheek". I think that would be true of both the atheistic Satanists and the theistic Satanists. So if you could show that "turning the other cheek" makes sense, then you would have some leverage. That is just a single example.

True..... but it is also important to show Satanists and people of all other religions that
the laws of Christianity can be adapted to extreme situations.

Sabbath observance under extreme conditions....


I just want to say that I am truly sorry for all those years that I was close to believing in near total pacifism! Rabbi Jesus/Yehoshua once asked a question of the Scribes and Pharisees that should have made it obvious to me that an extreme situation can call for drastic action by a Christian or Jew who feels called into a life in the military or police!


Mark 3:4 "And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace."

I am almost certain that Rabbi Jesus/Yehoshua was referring to the situation faced by the Machabees when Greco - Syrian armies were attacking Jewish communities on the Sabbath.

One community had refused to fight back....but the Machabees....in my opinion correctly judged that this is a violation of an admonition by King Solomon:


Ecclesiastes 7:16 "Be not righteous over much; neither make thyself over wise: why shouldest thou destroy thyself?"


Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible, 1 Machabees Chapter 2
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"So they gave them battle on the sabbath: and they were slain with their wives, and their children, and their cattle, to the number of a thousand persons. [39] And Mathathias and his friends heard of it, and they mourned for them exceedingly. [40] And every man said to his neighbour: If we shall all do as our brethren have done, and not fight against the heathens for our lives, and our justifications: they will now quickly root us out of the earth.

[41] And they determined in that day, saying: Whosoever shall come up against us to fight on the sabbath day, we will fight against him: and we will not all die, as our brethren that were slain in the secret places."
 
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