What about those who haven’t heard?

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"19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse." Romans 1:19-20 NIV

From an unbeliever's perspective this would only imply that they were/are aware of a Creator and Sustainer God. But as the chapter progresses and we see that they chose to become foolish and darken their hearts to the Glory of God and chose not to be thankful to God for all He was; they "exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles." They chose to worship mere idols rather than God. There ARE those unbelievers with such a Godly conscience who seek and pursue Him and find Him in the glory of their natural revelations; ie; the three wise men traveling from afar, across the desert, searching for and finding the babe (Jesus) in the manger in Bethlehem.

That being said, I am surely a supporter and follower of Acts 1:8 and Mark 16:14-18 and other Great Commission instructions. I believe in going and providing a "manger" accessible to them for which to travel being motivated by their God-given awareness that He exists. If one wants to deny that God has already given them a message to see and hear all around them of His existence and that they NEED to speak themselves the message then don't go and bribe them with everything but the message. Simply air drop simple children satellite radios for tuning into the message. God's Word, NOT our bribing or persuasiveness is what saves; REALLY saves.
 
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Reading several of the comments, it sure sounds like God is at fault to a suppose question. He stated plainly it is appointed to all men once to die and after this the judgment. There is no second chance after death.

Hebrews 9:27 does not say there is "no second chance after death". Nor does it deny 3, 4, 100 or a billion chances.

Heb.9:27 says it is appointed to men once to die. Does that deny men can die twice? No. Does it say "only" once? No. If New England is appointed to play the Buffalo Bills twice, does that deny they won't meet again in the playoffs? No. How many times did those raised before the general resurrections die?

I think, in light of the Rapture theory, many Christians would disagree with the statement that "100% of mankind will die and face judgment". Not only that, but Hebrews 9:27 does not say men are "only" going to die once. Lazarus, for one, is a Biblical example of one who died twice already & the book of Revelation speaks of the "second death"."

Heb.9:27 does not mean death occurs "once & only once". If it did there would be a Bible contradiction & the Bible would be lying.

Paul says "once was i stoned" (2 Cor.11:25). Does that mean he could never be stoned again or stoned twice? Obviously not.

How sad it is that so many err in claiming Hebrews 9:27 proves there is no salvation after death.

Scripture reveals there are those who will not die even once & implies there are those who will die at least a second time. There are those who will never die, not even once:

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 says: “For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.”

The reference to Hebrews 9:27 does not speak of "an expiration date" for salvation or God's love. After death comes judgement for all, sinners & saints. Judgement is a good thing:

"When your judgments come upon the earth, the people of the world learn righteousness." (Isa.26:9)

The Greek word for "chastening" here can mean correction:

The Lord is acquainted with the rescue of the devout out of trial, yet is keeping the unjust for chastening in the day of judging. (2 Pet.2:9)

"The love of God is greater far
Than tongue or pen can ever tell
It goes beyond the highest star
And reaches to the lowest hell"

"The guilty pair, bowed down with care
God gave His Son to win
His erring child He reconciled
And pardoned from his sin

Could we with ink the ocean fill
And were the skies of parchment made
Were every stalk on earth a quill
And every man a scribe by trade

To write the love of God above
Would drain the ocean dry
Nor could the scroll contain the whole
Though stretched from sky to sky

Hallelujah
Hallelujah
Hallelujah

O love of God, how rich and pure!
How measureless and strong!"
 
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Then you have to harden your heart and DO NOT LOVE the countless billions who never heard. Especially those born before the age of global exploration or the invention of the airplane, internet, etc. Wow! It really sucks to be those people now doesn't it?

According to a mainstream interpretation of 1 Peter 3, Christ brought the gospel to the dead, those who hadn't had a chance to hear it. While Paul addresses those without the law, without knowledge of the things of God, of Christ, and how they will be judged fairly in Romans ch 2, verses 6-16, according to their conscience. The actual scriptures are more interesting and nuanced than popular notions. But the OP is right that it is good to give people a chance to learn of Christ, and find the way He offers, that can save sinners.
 
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What of the case of young children who die not knowing anything about Christ? Are they condemned to hell?
No, see Romans chapter 2, verses 6-16. The NIV is a more clear than most translation --
Romans 2:6 Context: who "will pay back to everyone according to their works:"

As Paul points out, sin is not counted against those that do not know the law. Without understanding, there is no sin counted.
Romans 5:13 To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone's account where there is no law.

Put this together, and you can see young children will all gain eternal life. (I think even older children who still don't have full agency (enough maturity to be accountable), and who don't really understand the why yet, they still don't have accountability, and sin is not counted against them, not yet. This is reflected in nations around the world that don't consider children accountable like adults until an age like 15 or 16.)

It's you and me, the adults, we are the ones who need His Grace and saving power!
 
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This is definitely one of the questions that many non-believers bring up when I have a conversation about faith with them. This also goes hand in hand with the question "Do babies go to heaven?"

If you are aware of this verse:
"Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6

Before Jesus came, only Jewish people went to heaven but through Jesus coming to this world, he reconciled the broken relationship between mankind and God. Also, through this verse we can really see that Jesus is the only way to Salvation. Without Jesus, everything would be meaningless.

If I was to derive my opinion strictly from the bible, it would most definitely not be the most appealing way to answer your question because I would say that those who don't believe in Jesus will most definitely go to hell. However, although it is not clearly stated to apply to salvation in the bible, the Word of God mentions numerous times of the mercy and the grace of God. In fact, the gospel, the Good News, is the testament of God's everlasting love for us.

Consider this perspective. You are approaching this question from asking how WE can get closer to God. Every other religion apart from Christianity is about how the followers of that specific religion can REACH closer to their god. The rituals and practices are there to essentially make themselves holier to be in the presence of God. Christianity, on the other hand, is strictly different. God, in his love for us, took form of man, and entered into this broken world, just to meet us and be in the presence of our sinfulness. HE CAME TO US.My point, therefore, is that he has a plan for all of us. The weak, the poor, the lost, the forgotten, the neglected, and every other person on this Earth. I also believe that God is just in his own way and so for us to even try to understand God's ways make me realize how prideful we are.

A painting could never understand the painter. An invention could never understand the inventor. So for us to even attempt to understand or out reason our Creator's ways is not the way to approach our faith. To sum it up, I think those who haven't had a chance to hear the name of Jesus are still children of God and that He in his mercy and love still has a plan for them even if we humans cannot grasp our minds around. We are not the one to judge because He is the ultimate judge.

God Bless,

Joseph
 
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Hebrews 9:27 does not say there is "no second chance after death". Nor does it deny 3, 4, 100 or a billion chances.

Heb.9:27 says it is appointed to men once to die. Does that deny men can die twice? No. Does it say "only" once? No. If New England is appointed to play the Buffalo Bills twice, does that deny they won't meet again in the playoffs? No. How many times did those raised before the general resurrections die?

I think, in light of the Rapture theory, many Christians would disagree with the statement that "100% of mankind will die and face judgment". Not only that, but Hebrews 9:27 does not say men are "only" going to die once. Lazarus, for one, is a Biblical example of one who died twice already & the book of Revelation speaks of the "second death"."

Heb.9:27 does not mean death occurs "once & only once". If it did there would be a Bible contradiction & the Bible would be lying.

Paul says "once was i stoned" (2 Cor.11:25). Does that mean he could never be stoned again or stoned twice? Obviously not.

How sad it is that so many err in claiming Hebrews 9:27 proves there is no salvation after death.

Scripture reveals there are those who will not die even once & implies there are those who will die at least a second time. There are those who will never die, not even once:

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 says: “For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.”

The reference to Hebrews 9:27 does not speak of "an expiration date" for salvation or God's love. After death comes judgement for all, sinners & saints. Judgement is a good thing:

"When your judgments come upon the earth, the people of the world learn righteousness." (Isa.26:9)

The Greek word for "chastening" here can mean correction:

The Lord is acquainted with the rescue of the devout out of trial, yet is keeping the unjust for chastening in the day of judging. (2 Pet.2:9)

"The love of God is greater far
Than tongue or pen can ever tell
It goes beyond the highest star
And reaches to the lowest hell"

"The guilty pair, bowed down with care
God gave His Son to win
His erring child He reconciled
And pardoned from his sin

Could we with ink the ocean fill
And were the skies of parchment made
Were every stalk on earth a quill
And every man a scribe by trade

To write the love of God above
Would drain the ocean dry
Nor could the scroll contain the whole
Though stretched from sky to sky

Hallelujah
Hallelujah
Hallelujah

O love of God, how rich and pure!
How measureless and strong!"

It says what it says, and all of the conjectures will not change its meaning. V28 shows the context of v27 and example, Heb 9:27-28 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, 28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation. No hope for repentance after death.
 
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It says what it says, and all of the conjectures will not change its meaning. V28 shows the context of v27 and example, Heb 9:27-28 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, 28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation. No hope for repentance after death.

We can agree that "it says what it says". But your words do not equate to the "meaning" of the verse, nor have you provided any reason why it should be understood according to - your - opinion - that it establishes a doctrine of "no hope for repentance after death".

Let's be clear. The passage nowhere uses your words "no hope", "hope" or "repentance".

The passage does not rule out repentance "after...judgement".

Neither does it rule out the possibility of repentance after death & before judgement.

It simply doesn't address such issues.
 
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We can agree that "it says what it says". But your words do not equate to the "meaning" of the verse, nor have you provided any reason why it should be understood according to - your - opinion - that it establishes a doctrine of "no hope for repentance after death".

Let's be clear. The passage nowhere uses your words "no hope", "hope" or "repentance".

The passage does not rule out repentance "after...judgement".

Neither does it rule out the possibility of repentance after death & before judgement.

It simply doesn't address such issues.

And on the same token the verse says what it says and you have provided no scripture that states hope after death, only your hope that you read into some verses which do not say there is any hope of salvation after death. Each tub sits on its on bottom.
 
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The Bible teaches that a person is saved when they hear the gospel and respond with repentance and true belief in Jesus Christ (Ephesians 1:13). It also teaches that belief in Jesus is the only way to salvation (John 14:6; Acts 4:12). Those who have been saved long to see others also saved. This often results in wrestling with a difficult question:

What happens to those who haven’t heard the Good News about Jesus?

Sometimes people try to use this question as a type of rhetorical weapon to demonstrate that Jesus can’t possibly be the only way of salvation. Oprah, echoing the thoughts of many before her, once asked the question in this way, as you can see in this 2 minute video clip (sorry, the picture is somewhat fuzzy, but the sound is clear):


So, what about those who haven’t heard? This is one of those questions which the Bible does not answer in an explicit, direct way. But that doesn’t mean the Bible does not address this question. Let’s consider what may be the most important passage on this issue. I encourage you to slow down and thoughtfully read this, even if you are already familiar with it:

Romans 10:9 If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.
11 As Scripture says, "Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame."
12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile-- the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him,
13 for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."
14 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?
15 And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!"

It’s as if God says, “You should be worried about those people who haven’t heard. Here’s My solution: YOU go tell them. If you can’t go, then give and pray so that someone else can go.”

Admittedly, that’s not the type of answer people are looking for. But it is the type of answer God gives in His Word, which means it is the best type of answer and the most important type of answer. It’s a practical answer, so let’s stop and think a little about some practical applications of the truth that is declared in the verses above.

Practical Application #1: People Who are Asking about those Who Haven’t Heard are People who Have Heard

If a non-Christian is asking about people who have never heard as an objection to the truth of the Bible (and I’ve heard it asked that way), it may help to gently remind them that they are not in that category. If God makes any special provisions for those who haven’t heard, these provisions would NOT apply to the person who is asking about them, since they obviously have heard the gospel. If they reject the gospel now, the Bible offers NO guarantee that they will have another chance tomorrow (Hebrews 3:15, Proverbs 27:1, Isaiah 55:6). Not only are they not in the category of people who have not had a chance to hear the gospel, most people who are asking about those who haven’t had a chance to hear have never met anyone in this category. Very likely all their friends, family members, coworkers, and neighbors have had and do have many chances to hear the Good News. It’s urgent that they accept God’s gracious offer of forgiveness and eternal life in Christ Jesus (Acts 2:40).

Practical Application #2: We Should Have a Passion to Spread the Gospel Where Christ is not yet Known

Paul certainly practiced what he preached. He himself had a burning passion to continually go to new areas where Christ is not yet known. A little later in Romans he writes:

NIV Romans 15:20a It has always been my ambition to preach the gospel where Christ was not known,

We’re not all called to go to unreached people groups, but we should each do what we can to support such work. This includes:

* Learning about the unreached.
* Training up Christians to go to the unreached.
* Financially supporting those who go.
* Praying for those who go (this is really important)
* Being open to go​

Practical Application #3: Working to Overcome Language Barriers in Difficult Areas

Today, the main barrier to people hearing the gospel is not geographic distance. The main barrier to hearing the gospel languages where the Bible is not available and where few, in any, who speak that language are sharing the gospel. By God’s grace there are now at least some Christians in every political nation in the world. But when the Jesus spoke of “all nations” in the Great Commission He was referring to all ethnic people groups, not merely all political nations. Some political nations have many different ethnic people groups living in them and these ethnic people groups often speak different languages. For example, we lived in Indonesia for fourteen years. Just on the island we lived on (Sulawesi) there are estimated to be over 100 different languages spoken. These are truly different languages, not merely different dialects (there are often multiple dialects of each of the languages!). Many of those over 100 local languages include many speakers who have not heard the gospel, and have very little or no opportunity to hear it in their language.

We’ve come a long way in completing the Great Commission, but there is still a long ways to go. The cost of completing our task is high. Most of the unreached live in areas where there is intense opposition to the gospel. There is a great need for more people willing to go long term because it takes years to learn a new language and culture and win people and disciple them.

I feel that these “practical applications” related to the Great Commission and its urgency are the most important thing we should get out of the Bible’s teaching about those who have not heard. But because so many people struggle with the theological implications of this teaching, I will go on to share a few more thoughts.

Dangerous Speculation

Some people speculate that perhaps people who live in remote areas and who die without a chance to hear the gospel will be given a chance to accept Jesus after they die. While the Bible does not explicitly rule this possibility out, we need to consider how this speculative solutions fits, or doesn’t fit, with the logic of Romans 10:9-15. When Paul asks, “how can they believe in Him whom they have not heard”, his solution is NOT that those people will get a chance after they die. In fact, the logic of needing to go and preach would be undermined if there were chances to believe after death.

An Analogy

Here’s my own version of an analogy I’ve heard elsewhere (but I don’t remember where or from whom):

Imagine there is a man in an apartment building. He lives on the 5th floor. His building catches on fire. By the time he wakes up the four floors below him are on fire and the floor above him is on fire and the fire is burning outside his apartment in the hallway. He’s trapped. Thankfully, a fire truck with a long ladder shows up. A fireman appears outside his window and calls him to come and escape.

The trapped man says, “I think there might be a hidden fireproof escape under the rug somewhere. I’ll look for that.”

The fireman yells, “How do you know it’s there? Did the builder of the apartments tell you it was there?”

The trapped man replies, “No, but it makes sense to me that there would be a fire escape under a trap door under the carpet.”

Should the man look for the fire escape just because it makes sense in his mind that there should be one? Shouldn’t he instead focus on the one way out (the fireman with the ladder)? Does it make sense for people to speculate on a chance for salvation after death? The Bible says nothing about that. The “builder” hasn’t told us such a thing exists. Shouldn’t we just focus on the means of salvation which God has made available? Namely, going and telling people now, in this life, the Good News.

How this Might All Harmonize with God’s Justice, Goodness, and Foreknowledge

Still, people are understandably concerned about those who died without hearing. But it is wrong to assume that the only way God can be fair and good to those people is if He gives them a chance to believe and be saved after death.

God has not revealed in detail how He is fair to those who die without hearing, but we should have no doubt that God is entirely just in all He does. “Will not the judge of all the earth do right?” (Genesis 18:25).

We should remember that it is not unjust for God to judge people for their sins and destroy their bodies and souls in hell (Matthew 10:28). That is what ALL people deserve based on our sins (Romans 3:23, 6:23). But there might be more to it. For example, it is possible that God has used his foreknowledge to arrange the world in such a way that everyone who would benefit by hearing the gospel does indeed hear the gospel. The Bible does teach that God determines when and where people will live (Acts 17:26). He may place those who would not have believed even if they heard the gospel in times and locations where the gospel has not been available. It is a possibility. God might not explicitly tell us this because we might be tempted to wrongly interpret it as meaning our Great Commission is less urgent. I share this possibility not because I know this is how it works, but to counter the type of thinking I hear from some universalists and others that God essentially MUST give unsaved people a chance to repent after death or else God is not really just, good, and loving.

Conclusion

It is not wrong for us to be concerned about those who have not heard. In fact, it is right and Biblical to care about them. It is a sign of the Holy Spirit working in our hearts to move us to complete the Great Commission which Christ gave us. Nor do I think it is wrong to think about the theological and philosophical implications of this issue. But God’s main response is an urgently practical one. Our concern about this issue should first and foremost inspire us to make every effort and great sacrifices to go and share the gospel with the unreached. Jesus will be with us as we go (Matthew 28:20).

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This was initially a post on my blog.

People who have not heard the gospel, for whatever reason, are explained in this verse:

Romans 1:20King James Version (KJV)

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:


God will judge them by a righteous method that He is able to do.... Nobody will be "without excuse"
Nobody will be in heaven who does not meet the requirements of Gods righteous judging and nobody will be damned who does not deserve eternal separation from God....

Only He knows their hearts and He will not error on where every soul spends eternity.
 
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I'm for it, but three things..

1.Be careful of the "Let's go save the world guys!" mentality.
2.Everyone will hear of God before Judgement Day.( Matthew 24:14)
3. Yes, there are millions of people who never heard of Christ, and yes we should have a burden for them, but please, let us make sure that we ourselves understand God before we go out there. Its better that I'm sent when I'm sound, then to just wing the gospel. Starting to see too many christians talking about God with no understanding nor relationship.

Being a believer shouldn't be a quest of mass producing other believers, but to make disciples. Quality over quantity. I know I personally will not be able to reach all the people, must less see them accept Christ, but I always pray that those I'm not able to, that God is covering them, and sending someone in their path to minister to them, and that they soften their hearts to hear it.
 
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I think the Bible DOES explain in an implicit way, that the non believers have a chance to be saved by their actions.

Now to the one who works, his pay is not credited due to grace but due to obligation.
Romans 4:4

Paul explains that, to who does good things, even if he doesn't know God, a pay is owed to him, because he did what pleases God.

For the law brings wrath, because where there is no law there is no transgression either.
Romans 4:15

People who don't know what pleases God, but acts according to their own perception of what's good, they have a chance to be saved too.
 
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Dear Mark Corbett. We must always be ready to help those who have not heard, whenever we get the chance we should tell our fellowmen and women. God is Love and God wants loving sons and daughters. The Bible tells us: Give up your selfish desires, and start loving all we know and all we meet. Jesus tells us in Matthew 22: 35-40: The first and great Commandment is: Love God with all thy hearts, with all thy souls, and with all thy minds. The second is like it: love thy neighbour as thyself: treat all you know and all you meet as you would love to be treated. Love is very catching, and love will always help us to achieve what we want. Jesus died for us, and now our Saviour is ready to lead us back to our Heavenly Father. Let love lead us always. Satan and his followers will flee from love and all compassion. Give up all selfish wishes and wants, and start loving and caring. Love is VERY CATCHING. God is Love is Love and we are His beloved children. Let us love and show all around us what LOVE and compassion will do, try it dear Mark. I say all with love and send greetings to all brothers and sisters in Christ. From Emmy, your sister in Christ.
 
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The position of those who have not heard the Gospel

Rom 2:14
For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

Rom 2:15
Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another,)

Rom 2:16
In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
 
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What happens to those who haven’t heard the Good News about Jesus?

I think this questions God's fairness. If God is a perfect judge, wouldn't he judge people fairly? Would someone who has never heard of Jesus be responsible for responding to a message they haven't heard? If that is unfair, then God wouldn't do it.

So what about people who haven't heard? I would assume that God would judge fairly. If there were a verdict that wasn't fair, God wouldn't render it. If God judges someone and renders a verdict that eternally separates that someone from him, then it would only be because it was the deserved verdict.

This may not fully satisfy the question though - we're not privy to God's knowledge and so do have the required information to know how to judge "someone who hasn't heard." We can take comfort in knowing that God is Just and wouldn't judge someone unfairly. So if someone thinks that someone else is "going to hell" and it's believed that's an unfair assessment of their eternal destiny, then we can know that God wouldn't do it.

What I think we can know is that, if any of us are to be judged on our own merit, then we're in trouble. If we're to believe Paul, then:

Rom 3:10....“There is no one righteous, not even one,....3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

But people aren't unrighteous because they haven't heard and people don't fall short because they haven't heard a message. No, we would be unrighteous and fall short because of who we are and what we do. Hearing the message leads to salvation, but not-hearing doesn't cause damnation.
 
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The Bible teaches that a person is saved when they hear the gospel and respond with repentance and true belief in Jesus Christ (Ephesians 1:13). It also teaches that belief in Jesus is the only way to salvation (John 14:6; Acts 4:12). Those who have been saved long to see others also saved. This often results in wrestling with a difficult question:

What happens to those who haven’t heard the Good News about Jesus?

Sometimes people try to use this question as a type of rhetorical weapon to demonstrate that Jesus can’t possibly be the only way of salvation. Oprah, echoing the thoughts of many before her, once asked the question in this way, as you can see in this 2 minute video clip (sorry, the picture is somewhat fuzzy, but the sound is clear):


So, what about those who haven’t heard? This is one of those questions which the Bible does not answer in an explicit, direct way. But that doesn’t mean the Bible does not address this question. Let’s consider what may be the most important passage on this issue. I encourage you to slow down and thoughtfully read this, even if you are already familiar with it:

Romans 10:9 If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.
11 As Scripture says, "Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame."
12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile-- the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him,
13 for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."
14 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?
15 And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!"

It’s as if God says, “You should be worried about those people who haven’t heard. Here’s My solution: YOU go tell them. If you can’t go, then give and pray so that someone else can go.”

Admittedly, that’s not the type of answer people are looking for. But it is the type of answer God gives in His Word, which means it is the best type of answer and the most important type of answer. It’s a practical answer, so let’s stop and think a little about some practical applications of the truth that is declared in the verses above.

Practical Application #1: People Who are Asking about those Who Haven’t Heard are People who Have Heard

If a non-Christian is asking about people who have never heard as an objection to the truth of the Bible (and I’ve heard it asked that way), it may help to gently remind them that they are not in that category. If God makes any special provisions for those who haven’t heard, these provisions would NOT apply to the person who is asking about them, since they obviously have heard the gospel. If they reject the gospel now, the Bible offers NO guarantee that they will have another chance tomorrow (Hebrews 3:15, Proverbs 27:1, Isaiah 55:6). Not only are they not in the category of people who have not had a chance to hear the gospel, most people who are asking about those who haven’t had a chance to hear have never met anyone in this category. Very likely all their friends, family members, coworkers, and neighbors have had and do have many chances to hear the Good News. It’s urgent that they accept God’s gracious offer of forgiveness and eternal life in Christ Jesus (Acts 2:40).

Practical Application #2: We Should Have a Passion to Spread the Gospel Where Christ is not yet Known

Paul certainly practiced what he preached. He himself had a burning passion to continually go to new areas where Christ is not yet known. A little later in Romans he writes:

NIV Romans 15:20a It has always been my ambition to preach the gospel where Christ was not known,

We’re not all called to go to unreached people groups, but we should each do what we can to support such work. This includes:

* Learning about the unreached.
* Training up Christians to go to the unreached.
* Financially supporting those who go.
* Praying for those who go (this is really important)
* Being open to go​

Practical Application #3: Working to Overcome Language Barriers in Difficult Areas

Today, the main barrier to people hearing the gospel is not geographic distance. The main barrier to hearing the gospel languages where the Bible is not available and where few, in any, who speak that language are sharing the gospel. By God’s grace there are now at least some Christians in every political nation in the world. But when the Jesus spoke of “all nations” in the Great Commission He was referring to all ethnic people groups, not merely all political nations. Some political nations have many different ethnic people groups living in them and these ethnic people groups often speak different languages. For example, we lived in Indonesia for fourteen years. Just on the island we lived on (Sulawesi) there are estimated to be over 100 different languages spoken. These are truly different languages, not merely different dialects (there are often multiple dialects of each of the languages!). Many of those over 100 local languages include many speakers who have not heard the gospel, and have very little or no opportunity to hear it in their language.

We’ve come a long way in completing the Great Commission, but there is still a long ways to go. The cost of completing our task is high. Most of the unreached live in areas where there is intense opposition to the gospel. There is a great need for more people willing to go long term because it takes years to learn a new language and culture and win people and disciple them.

I feel that these “practical applications” related to the Great Commission and its urgency are the most important thing we should get out of the Bible’s teaching about those who have not heard. But because so many people struggle with the theological implications of this teaching, I will go on to share a few more thoughts.

Dangerous Speculation

Some people speculate that perhaps people who live in remote areas and who die without a chance to hear the gospel will be given a chance to accept Jesus after they die. While the Bible does not explicitly rule this possibility out, we need to consider how this speculative solutions fits, or doesn’t fit, with the logic of Romans 10:9-15. When Paul asks, “how can they believe in Him whom they have not heard”, his solution is NOT that those people will get a chance after they die. In fact, the logic of needing to go and preach would be undermined if there were chances to believe after death.

An Analogy

Here’s my own version of an analogy I’ve heard elsewhere (but I don’t remember where or from whom):

Imagine there is a man in an apartment building. He lives on the 5th floor. His building catches on fire. By the time he wakes up the four floors below him are on fire and the floor above him is on fire and the fire is burning outside his apartment in the hallway. He’s trapped. Thankfully, a fire truck with a long ladder shows up. A fireman appears outside his window and calls him to come and escape.

The trapped man says, “I think there might be a hidden fireproof escape under the rug somewhere. I’ll look for that.”

The fireman yells, “How do you know it’s there? Did the builder of the apartments tell you it was there?”

The trapped man replies, “No, but it makes sense to me that there would be a fire escape under a trap door under the carpet.”

Should the man look for the fire escape just because it makes sense in his mind that there should be one? Shouldn’t he instead focus on the one way out (the fireman with the ladder)? Does it make sense for people to speculate on a chance for salvation after death? The Bible says nothing about that. The “builder” hasn’t told us such a thing exists. Shouldn’t we just focus on the means of salvation which God has made available? Namely, going and telling people now, in this life, the Good News.

How this Might All Harmonize with God’s Justice, Goodness, and Foreknowledge

Still, people are understandably concerned about those who died without hearing. But it is wrong to assume that the only way God can be fair and good to those people is if He gives them a chance to believe and be saved after death.

God has not revealed in detail how He is fair to those who die without hearing, but we should have no doubt that God is entirely just in all He does. “Will not the judge of all the earth do right?” (Genesis 18:25).

We should remember that it is not unjust for God to judge people for their sins and destroy their bodies and souls in hell (Matthew 10:28). That is what ALL people deserve based on our sins (Romans 3:23, 6:23). But there might be more to it. For example, it is possible that God has used his foreknowledge to arrange the world in such a way that everyone who would benefit by hearing the gospel does indeed hear the gospel. The Bible does teach that God determines when and where people will live (Acts 17:26). He may place those who would not have believed even if they heard the gospel in times and locations where the gospel has not been available. It is a possibility. God might not explicitly tell us this because we might be tempted to wrongly interpret it as meaning our Great Commission is less urgent. I share this possibility not because I know this is how it works, but to counter the type of thinking I hear from some universalists and others that God essentially MUST give unsaved people a chance to repent after death or else God is not really just, good, and loving.

Conclusion

It is not wrong for us to be concerned about those who have not heard. In fact, it is right and Biblical to care about them. It is a sign of the Holy Spirit working in our hearts to move us to complete the Great Commission which Christ gave us. Nor do I think it is wrong to think about the theological and philosophical implications of this issue. But God’s main response is an urgently practical one. Our concern about this issue should first and foremost inspire us to make every effort and great sacrifices to go and share the gospel with the unreached. Jesus will be with us as we go (Matthew 28:20).

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I like that you are a peace maker "for they are called the sons of God", and you are giving freely as you have received, however I owe you my feedback, that I can see a logical fallacy in your using of scripture this way.

To say that a person is saved by receiving the good news, is not equivalent to saying that a person is not saved because they have not heard the good news.

The true essence of using the reverse implication of Ephesians 1:13, is that if a person hears the good news and does not receive it, they then come under condemnation (according to John 3:20). On the other hand, if they have not yet heard the good news then there is not such a clear case for condemnation (consider John 15:22) because they could very well be those who would come toward the light as per John 3:21.

This is also not to say that all who have heard a presentation of the gospel have in fact heard the gospel of Jesus Christ, because many false prophets have gone out into the world and many are wolves coming in sheep's clothing.

Jesus said "my sheep listen to my voice and they will flee from a stranger's voice". Such ones that flee from perverted gospels are righteous to do so (lest they should be likewise accursed as Galatians 1:8-9 warns). The downside is once bitten, twice shy - will they thereafter always flee from the gospel even if it is represented to them in truth?

Jesus also said "I have other sheep that are not of this fold (Israel), and they will listen to me (The Holy Spirit - literally incarnate as human when those particular words were spoken, not by way of proxy as it is these days 1 Corinthians 3:16), and I must bring them too. There will be one flock and one shepherd.

So, it is because of the false doctrines of the antichrists over the last 2,000 years that have made salvation a far-off thing that never eventuates until after we die, instead of the true message that is the relationship with God The Father and His risen son Jesus Christ in the life we already have.. that is why the gospel has become perceived as impotent, confusing and a thing to be despised (2 Peter 2:2).

"But if they had stood in my inner circle, they would have caused my people to hear my words and to be turned from their evil ways. Therefore I am against those prophets that steal my words from one another" - saith The Lord. (Jeremiah 23).
Too much to read. I will answer your question simply. In Rom 2 we read:
13 For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified. 14 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them 16 on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus.​
Those who are ignorant about the Gospel of Christ will be judged whether dead or alive by their works according to their own consciences.

Everyone will be judged impartially and fairly. The ones who are wicked shall be destroyed.
 
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Some people speculate that perhaps people who live in remote areas and who die without a chance to hear the gospel will be given a chance to accept Jesus after they die.
While the Bible does not explicitly rule this possibility out, we need to consider how this speculative solutions fits, or doesn’t fit, with the logic of Romans 10:9-15.
When Paul asks, “how can they believe in Him whom they have not heard”, his solution is NOT that those people will get a chance after they die. In fact, the logic of
needing to go and preach would be undermined if there were chances to believe after death.


Mark, may i ask, what is the "logic of Romans 10:9-15"?

1. Verses 9-13 speak of how to be saved, i.e. by calling, believing etc
2. V.14 asks how they can believe without hearing from a preacher, but gives no answer

A. No mention is made in Rom.10:9-15 of any time limit on believing.
B. Nowhere does the passage refer to a time limit on salvation (or that the opportunity for salvation can expire forever like a carton of milk. Does God's love expire?)
C. Neither is there any reference to what happens after death.
D. Nor do those verses limit preaching to man, or exclude angels, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, etc, from preaching to those many assume never heard (while they lived in the flesh).

Mt.1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. 21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Rev.14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

So, since there is afterlife salvation, why preach? Because (1) you love the Lord Jesus (2) want to obey Him, & (3) are called to do so (4) as led by the Holy Spirit.
And (5) to set the captives free as per Acts 26:18. Unlike many who consider themselves evangelists & witnesses, who repel people from Christ & whose works will be burned up.

Other people's salvation does not depend on men preaching to them. For men are not their Saviour. And often people are saved in spite of the flawed preachers.

"Preach the gospel, and if necessary, use words." (St. Francis de Assisi)
 
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Reminds me of the Catholic inventions of infant baptism and limbo. The church now accepts children are automatically saved when they die. The cross means means much mercy on the dead, but it is still Christ who is the way, not being conscientious...
 
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The Bible teaches that a person is saved when they hear the gospel and respond with repentance and true belief in Jesus Christ (Ephesians 1:13). It also teaches that belief in Jesus is the only way to salvation (John 14:6; Acts 4:12). Those who have been saved long to see others also saved. This often results in wrestling with a difficult question:

What happens to those who haven’t heard the Good News about Jesus?

Sometimes people try to use this question as a type of rhetorical weapon to demonstrate that Jesus can’t possibly be the only way of salvation. Oprah, echoing the thoughts of many before her, once asked the question in this way, as you can see in this 2 minute video clip (sorry, the picture is somewhat fuzzy, but the sound is clear):


So, what about those who haven’t heard? This is one of those questions which the Bible does not answer in an explicit, direct way. But that doesn’t mean the Bible does not address this question. Let’s consider what may be the most important passage on this issue. I encourage you to slow down and thoughtfully read this, even if you are already familiar with it:

Romans 10:9 If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.
11 As Scripture says, "Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame."
12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile-- the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him,
13 for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."
14 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?
15 And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!"

It’s as if God says, “You should be worried about those people who haven’t heard. Here’s My solution: YOU go tell them. If you can’t go, then give and pray so that someone else can go.”

Admittedly, that’s not the type of answer people are looking for. But it is the type of answer God gives in His Word, which means it is the best type of answer and the most important type of answer. It’s a practical answer, so let’s stop and think a little about some practical applications of the truth that is declared in the verses above.

Practical Application #1: People Who are Asking about those Who Haven’t Heard are People who Have Heard

If a non-Christian is asking about people who have never heard as an objection to the truth of the Bible (and I’ve heard it asked that way), it may help to gently remind them that they are not in that category. If God makes any special provisions for those who haven’t heard, these provisions would NOT apply to the person who is asking about them, since they obviously have heard the gospel. If they reject the gospel now, the Bible offers NO guarantee that they will have another chance tomorrow (Hebrews 3:15, Proverbs 27:1, Isaiah 55:6). Not only are they not in the category of people who have not had a chance to hear the gospel, most people who are asking about those who haven’t had a chance to hear have never met anyone in this category. Very likely all their friends, family members, coworkers, and neighbors have had and do have many chances to hear the Good News. It’s urgent that they accept God’s gracious offer of forgiveness and eternal life in Christ Jesus (Acts 2:40).

Practical Application #2: We Should Have a Passion to Spread the Gospel Where Christ is not yet Known

Paul certainly practiced what he preached. He himself had a burning passion to continually go to new areas where Christ is not yet known. A little later in Romans he writes:

NIV Romans 15:20a It has always been my ambition to preach the gospel where Christ was not known,

We’re not all called to go to unreached people groups, but we should each do what we can to support such work. This includes:

* Learning about the unreached.
* Training up Christians to go to the unreached.
* Financially supporting those who go.
* Praying for those who go (this is really important)
* Being open to go​

Practical Application #3: Working to Overcome Language Barriers in Difficult Areas

Today, the main barrier to people hearing the gospel is not geographic distance. The main barrier to hearing the gospel languages where the Bible is not available and where few, in any, who speak that language are sharing the gospel. By God’s grace there are now at least some Christians in every political nation in the world. But when the Jesus spoke of “all nations” in the Great Commission He was referring to all ethnic people groups, not merely all political nations. Some political nations have many different ethnic people groups living in them and these ethnic people groups often speak different languages. For example, we lived in Indonesia for fourteen years. Just on the island we lived on (Sulawesi) there are estimated to be over 100 different languages spoken. These are truly different languages, not merely different dialects (there are often multiple dialects of each of the languages!). Many of those over 100 local languages include many speakers who have not heard the gospel, and have very little or no opportunity to hear it in their language.

We’ve come a long way in completing the Great Commission, but there is still a long ways to go. The cost of completing our task is high. Most of the unreached live in areas where there is intense opposition to the gospel. There is a great need for more people willing to go long term because it takes years to learn a new language and culture and win people and disciple them.

I feel that these “practical applications” related to the Great Commission and its urgency are the most important thing we should get out of the Bible’s teaching about those who have not heard. But because so many people struggle with the theological implications of this teaching, I will go on to share a few more thoughts.

Dangerous Speculation

Some people speculate that perhaps people who live in remote areas and who die without a chance to hear the gospel will be given a chance to accept Jesus after they die. While the Bible does not explicitly rule this possibility out, we need to consider how this speculative solutions fits, or doesn’t fit, with the logic of Romans 10:9-15. When Paul asks, “how can they believe in Him whom they have not heard”, his solution is NOT that those people will get a chance after they die. In fact, the logic of needing to go and preach would be undermined if there were chances to believe after death.

An Analogy

Here’s my own version of an analogy I’ve heard elsewhere (but I don’t remember where or from whom):

Imagine there is a man in an apartment building. He lives on the 5th floor. His building catches on fire. By the time he wakes up the four floors below him are on fire and the floor above him is on fire and the fire is burning outside his apartment in the hallway. He’s trapped. Thankfully, a fire truck with a long ladder shows up. A fireman appears outside his window and calls him to come and escape.

The trapped man says, “I think there might be a hidden fireproof escape under the rug somewhere. I’ll look for that.”

The fireman yells, “How do you know it’s there? Did the builder of the apartments tell you it was there?”

The trapped man replies, “No, but it makes sense to me that there would be a fire escape under a trap door under the carpet.”

Should the man look for the fire escape just because it makes sense in his mind that there should be one? Shouldn’t he instead focus on the one way out (the fireman with the ladder)? Does it make sense for people to speculate on a chance for salvation after death? The Bible says nothing about that. The “builder” hasn’t told us such a thing exists. Shouldn’t we just focus on the means of salvation which God has made available? Namely, going and telling people now, in this life, the Good News.

How this Might All Harmonize with God’s Justice, Goodness, and Foreknowledge

Still, people are understandably concerned about those who died without hearing. But it is wrong to assume that the only way God can be fair and good to those people is if He gives them a chance to believe and be saved after death.

God has not revealed in detail how He is fair to those who die without hearing, but we should have no doubt that God is entirely just in all He does. “Will not the judge of all the earth do right?” (Genesis 18:25).

We should remember that it is not unjust for God to judge people for their sins and destroy their bodies and souls in hell (Matthew 10:28). That is what ALL people deserve based on our sins (Romans 3:23, 6:23). But there might be more to it. For example, it is possible that God has used his foreknowledge to arrange the world in such a way that everyone who would benefit by hearing the gospel does indeed hear the gospel. The Bible does teach that God determines when and where people will live (Acts 17:26). He may place those who would not have believed even if they heard the gospel in times and locations where the gospel has not been available. It is a possibility. God might not explicitly tell us this because we might be tempted to wrongly interpret it as meaning our Great Commission is less urgent. I share this possibility not because I know this is how it works, but to counter the type of thinking I hear from some universalists and others that God essentially MUST give unsaved people a chance to repent after death or else God is not really just, good, and loving.

Conclusion

It is not wrong for us to be concerned about those who have not heard. In fact, it is right and Biblical to care about them. It is a sign of the Holy Spirit working in our hearts to move us to complete the Great Commission which Christ gave us. Nor do I think it is wrong to think about the theological and philosophical implications of this issue. But God’s main response is an urgently practical one. Our concern about this issue should first and foremost inspire us to make every effort and great sacrifices to go and share the gospel with the unreached. Jesus will be with us as we go (Matthew 28:20).

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This was initially a post on my blog.
I believe most people have. Not even talking about as a result of missionaries.

There's been a rise in evidence and archeological finds that show Cherokee Indians as having written several monuments and cave works in ancient paleo Hebrew.

They have several oral stories about how Yaweh (God's name is YHWH - pronounced Yaweh, Yahuah, etc)

No one is sure how to say His name exactly, but the way Cherokee Indians say His name is almost identical to God's actual name. All other pagans have many God's, but they believed in one. With one spirit, and they've even got stories of the greatest holy man that ever lived sacrificing himself for all.

What's my point? I believe more civilizations have worshipped God than we realize, just that people for ignorance have hidden it.

Although now, I feel that many have forgotten, and that we are in the the enemie's prime thriving environment.

God says they are without excuse.
 
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IF Christ preached to the captives in Hades that would seem to support the possibility that some people at some point had a chance to believe and be saved after death. However, I do not believe the Bible supports the claim that Jesus descended into Hell to preach to the captives. Those interested may find the following helpful:

A brief explanation:

Did Christ Ever Descend to Hell? | Desiring God

A more in depth one:

http://www.waynegrudem.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/he-did-not-descend-into-hell_JETS.pdf

My reply here is in response to your second link, which concerns the extrabiblical Apostle's Creed, and more specifically to other writings in the early church.

Catholic scholar Illaria Ramelli says:

"This motif of Christ’s descensus ad inferos83 is well attested, remarkably, in other “Petrine” texts such as the Gospel of Peter and the Apocalypse of Peter, both datable to the second century,84...Indeed, the theme of Christ’s salvific descent to hell is found in some early Christian writings that were initially considered to be revealed and divinely inspired, but were later rejected from the NT canon, such as the Shepherd of Hermas (simil. 9,16,6) and the Gospel of Peter, in a scene (10,41) that seems to belong to its most ancient layer, perhaps even dating back to the middle of the first century:86"

" “The soldiers then saw three human beings coming out of the tomb: two of them held and lifted the other one, and a cross followed them. The head of these two reached to heaven, but the one whom they supported with their hands was higher than heaven. And they heard a voice from heaven ask: ‘Have you preached to those who were sleeping?’ And from the cross they heard the reply: ‘Yes, I have!’” (10,39–42)."

"In this scene, the docetic elements that are typical of the most recent layers of this Gospel are missing. Early Christian authors who will insist on Christ’s salvific descensus ad inferos are Justin (Dial. 72,4), Clement,87 Origen (CC 2,43; Hom. in Sam. 2,5), Ephrem,88 and others, as well as the Odes of Solomon and the Gospel of Nicodemus, to which I shall return in a moment." (p.42-43)"

"The Christian Doctrine of Apokatastasis: A Critical Assessment from the New Testament to Eriugena" (Brill, 2013. 890 pp.)

The Christian Doctrine of <i>Apokatastasis</i>
 
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