New Jerusalem?

[Quasar92]

You really should quit wasting server space with this bunkum.

By what authority are you given at this site to order other members around? When are you going to stop attacking me personally and contribute to the subject of the thread you post on?


Quasar92

 

[BABerean2]

When are you going to stop attacking me personally and contribute to the subject of the thread you post on?

Luk_6:42　 Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye.

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[Quasar92]

Luk_6:42　 Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye.

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Posts #55; #57 and #59 all refute you.


Quasar92

 

[BABerean2]

Posts #55; #57 and #59 all refute you.


Quasar92

Joh 4:20　 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.　
Joh 4:21　 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.　
Joh 4:22　 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.　
Joh 4:23　 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.　
Joh 4:24　 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.　


Heb 10:16　 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;　
Heb 10:17　 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.　
Heb 10:18　 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.　



Heb 11:15　 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.　
Heb 11:16　 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
　

Gal 4:25　 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.　
Gal 4:26　 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.


　
Heb 12:18　 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,　
Heb 12:19　 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:　
Heb 12:20　 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:　
Heb 12:21　 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake
　
Heb 12:22　 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,　
Heb 12:23　 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,　
Heb 12:24　 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.　
Rev_3:12　 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

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[Quasar92]

Joh 4:20　 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.　
Joh 4:21　 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.　
Joh 4:22　 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.　
Joh 4:23　 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.　
Joh 4:24　 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.　


Heb 10:16　 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;　
Heb 10:17　 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.　
Heb 10:18　 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.　



Heb 11:15　 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.　
Heb 11:16　 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
　

Gal 4:25　 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.　
Gal 4:26　 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.


　
Heb 12:18　 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,　
Heb 12:19　 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:　
Heb 12:20　 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:　
Heb 12:21　 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake
　
Heb 12:22　 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,　
Heb 12:23　 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,　
Heb 12:24　 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.　
Rev_3:12　 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

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Your point is precisely what? The New Jerusalem will come upon the scene, as soon as God provides all believers with a new heaven and earth, as recorded in the following:

Rev.21:1 "Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,”a for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God."


Quasar92

 

[BABerean2]

Your point is precisely what? The New Jerusalem will come upon the scene, as soon as God provides all believers with a new heaven and earth, as recorded in the following:

1Th 4:16　 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:　
1Th 4:17　 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.　
1Th 4:18　 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.　
1Th 5:1　 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.　
1Th 5:2　 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.　(See Revelation 16:15-16)

1Th 5:10　 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.　



2Pe 3:10　 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.　
2Pe 3:11　 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,　
2Pe 3:12　 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?　
2Pe 3:13　 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.　



When does the fire come?

2Th 1:7　 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,　
2Th 1:8　 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:　
2Th 1:9　 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;　
2Th 1:10　 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

　

Mat 13:41　 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;　

Mat 13:42　 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.　

Mat 13:43　 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.　

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[Quasar92]

You really should quit wasting server space with this bunkum.

Let's see your proof it's bunkum.


Quasar92

 

[Quasar92]

1Th 4:16　 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:　
1Th 4:17　 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.　
1Th 4:18　 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.　
1Th 5:1　 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.　
1Th 5:2　 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.　(See Revelation 16:15-16)

1Th 5:10　 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.　



2Pe 3:10　 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.　
2Pe 3:11　 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,　
2Pe 3:12　 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?　
2Pe 3:13　 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.　



When does the fire come?

2Th 1:7　 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,　
2Th 1:8　 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:　
2Th 1:9　 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;　
2Th 1:10　 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

　

Mat 13:41　 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;　

Mat 13:42　 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.　

Mat 13:43　 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.　

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Which of the three major sujects above is the point you are attempting to communicate to us? One them is the point you make in the two comings of Jesus, yet to take place, as recorded below:

The Scriptures are crystal clear where Jesus will meet His Church, in 1 Thess.4:17: "After that, we who are still alive and are left, WILL BE CAUGHT UP TOGETHER with them in the clouds TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR. And so we will be with the Lord forever." In the FIRST of His TWO comings, recorded in 1 Thess.4:16, yet to take place, confirming Jn.14:2-3, 28! From where the Church is seen in heaven BEFORE the tribulation begins, in Rev.4:1-2. Where Jesus used John to symbolically represent the Church. Confirming 2 Thess.2:3 and 7-8! Where the Church is seen in heaven later, at the marriage of the Bride/Church to the Lamb/Jesus. While the tribulation is taking place on earth, recorded in Rev.19:7-8. From where Jesus will return to the earth in the SECOND, of His TWO comings, yet to take place, WITH HIS CHURCH, riding white horses, dressed in fine linen, white and clean, in His armies from heaven, recorded in 19:14, confirming Zech.14:4-5 and Acts 1:6; 1:11; 2:29-30 and 15:16! From which the above Scriptures leave no other options!

The difference between the pre-trib rapture of the Church, as delineated above, and the SECOND coming of Jesus are the following facts:

1. Jesus returns to the earth in His second coming, recorded in Zech.14:4-5 and in Acts 1:11.

2. No one meets Jesus in the sky when He returns in His second coming, recorded in Rev.19:14, as they will when He returns for the first time, recorded in 1 Thess.4:16!.

3. Jesus will return from the marriage of the Bride/Church to the Lamb/Jesus, in heaven, in His second coming, to the earth, with His Church, recorded in Rev.19:14, He came for in His first coming, in the clouds of the sky, seven years before, recorded in Jn.14:2-3, 28, 1 Thess.4:16-17 and 2 Thess.2:3 and 7-8.

4. No one returns to the present heaven at Jesus second coming to the earth, because He has come to establish His 1,000 year reign on the throne of David, in the restored kingdom of Israel, as recorded in Acts 1:6; 2:29-30; 15:16; Zech.6:12-13 described in Ez.40-47 and Rev.20:6. In addition to the present heaven and earth being destroyed and will pass away, as recorded in 2 Pet.3:7 and in Rev.21:1.


Quasar92

 

[Original Happy Camper]

All I gave was the Bible, you can put it in any category you like, but only the church (apostles) have authority to declare something heretical

Just like they did during the dark ages labeling those seekers for having a BIBLE. So are you a heretic for having a Bible?

The RCC does not change.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

that Jesus will return on the Earth to establish His 1,000 years reign with His Saints

Are you saying that the 1,000 year reign is here on this earth in the New Jerusalem?

 

[Original Happy Camper]

It's already here.

The following is a description of New Jerusalem, can you tell me where it is if it is here now so I can go see it.

If not then please explain these verses
Rev 21
16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.

17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.

18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.

19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;

20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolyte; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.

21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.

22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

The inhabinets of this city are the people of God after the first resserection.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

According to the Bible, Jesus, Paul and John revealed, those of us who belong to His Church, will be CAUGHT UP [Raptured] to Him in the clouds of the sky, before the antichrist is revealed, as recorded in 2 Thes.2:3 and 7-8. Who triggers the seven year tribulation/70th Week of Daniel, God decreed Israel to go through in Dan.9:27.

Jesuit teaching from the counter reformation to distract from Martian Luther identifying the papal system as the ant-christ

 

[Original Happy Camper]

"Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,”a for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.

When did this happen?

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

The following is a description of New Jerusalem, can you tell me where it is if it is here now so I can go see it.

If not then please explain these verses
Rev 21
16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.

17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.

18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.

19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;

20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolyte; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.

21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.

22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

The inhabinets of this city are the people of God after the first resserection.

I told you where it was in the artilce I linked and yes you can go see it......if your born from above. Here it is again verse by verse. You read it and I guarantee it will rock your world, blow your mind, and glorify God.

The New Jerusalem

 

[Original Happy Camper]

I told you where it was in the artilce I linked and yes you can go see it......if your born from above. Here it is again verse by verse. You read it and I guarantee it will rock your world, blow your mind, and glorify God.

The New Jerusalem

I looked at your site wordservice.org and cannot agree with your interpertation of scripture. It appears to me that it is a private interpertation and is not in harmony with the rest of scripture.

Line upon line, precept upon precept here a little there a little

By the way who funds your site?

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

I looked at your site wordservice.org and cannot agree with your interpertation of scripture. It appears to me that it is a private interpertation and is not in harmony with the rest of scripture.

Line upon line, precept upon precept here a little there a little

By the way who funds your site?

No one funds it.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

No one funds it.

why the credit card logos then.

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

why the credit card logos then.

Lol, I didn't say I don't want people to fund it, I said no one but me is. So the PayPal link is there in hope.

 

[Quasar92]

Jesuit teaching from the counter reformation to distract from Martian Luther identifying the papal system as the ant-christ

Which has nothing whatever to do with 1 Thess.4:16-17 and 2 Thess.2:1-8.


Quasar92

 

[Quasar92]

When did this happen?

It hasn't. It' a long way off yet. By the following sequence of events: The rapture of the Church; the seven year tribulation; Jesus second coming to the earth; the first resurrection; Jesus 1,000 year reign on earth; the Great White Throne Judgment; then the present heaven and earth pass away and God provides a new heaven and earth, recorded in Rev.21:1. [I have purposely left out some of the details]


Quasar92