Sabbath and Law-Keepers - Gracious convo please!

[bekkilyn]

If all had been fulfilled; why did Yashua's Apostles continue in obedience to the Law, after Yahshua had ascended?

Many Jewish Christians did continue to follow their Jewish traditions after the cross, and there was a lot of argument on this issue concerning the Gentiles and whether Gentile Christians would also need to "become Jews" and follow the Mosaic laws. Paul's argument was no, and in the Jerusalem council with the apostles, they came to a formal agreement on it. Per Acts 21:25:

"As for the Gentile believers, we have written to them our decision that they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality."

That's it. The above are the only Jewish traditions from the Mosaic law that Gentile believers were asked by the apostles to keep for the sake of unity in the newly developing church. Neither Jew or Gentile Christians are under Old Covenant law since the cross, but people aren't going to just suddenly dump all of their cultural customs and traditions, especially if they are still trying to spread the gospel to their fellow Jews who may not otherwise give them the time of day. Paul and others with him were very diplomatic in that sense.

So yes, Paul would keep the Sabbath and go preach to his fellow Jews in the synagogues on those days in order to spread the gospel of Christ, because spreading the good news was of prime importance to Paul, but Gentiles never did observe the Mosaic law and were never required to do so.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

Shalom!

How can we be under the Old Covenant Law of Moses since Yeshua fulfilled it, completing it and then gave us His NEW Covenant?

What do you think of these Scriptures?
Acts
The law is an unbearable yoke. (Acts 15:10)

Romans
The law reveals sin but cannot fix it. (Romans 3:20)

If the law worked then faith would be irrelevant. (Romans 4:14)

The law brings wrath upon those who follow it. (Romans 4:15)

The purpose of the law was to increase sin. (Romans 5:20)

Christians are not under the law. (Romans 6:14)

Christians have been delivered from the law. (Romans 7:1-6)

The law is good, perfect and holy but cannot help you be good, perfect or holy. (Romans 7:7-12)

The law which promises life only brings death through sin. (Romans 7:10)

The law makes you sinful beyond measure. (Romans 7:13)

The law is weak. (Romans 8:2-3)

1 Corinthians
The strength of sin is the law (1 Corinthians 15:56)

2 Corinthians
The law is a ministry of death. (2 Corinthians 3:7)

The law is a ministry of condemnation. (2 Corinthians 3:9)

The law has no glory at all in comparison with the New Covenant. (2 Corinthians 3:10)

The law is fading away. (2 Corinthians 3:11)

Anywhere the law is preached it produces a mind-hardening and a heart-hardening veil. (2 Corinthians 3:14-15)

Galatians
The law justifies nobody. (Galatians 2:16)

Christians are dead to the law. (Galatians 2:19)

The law frustrates grace. (Galatians 2:21)

To go back to the law after embracing faith is “stupid”. (Galatians 3:1)

The law curses all who practice it and fail to do it perfectly. (Galatians 3:10)

The law has nothing to do with faith. (Galatians 3:11-12)

The law was a curse that Christ redeemed us from. (Galatians 3:13)

The law functioned in God’s purpose as a temporary covenant from Moses till John the Baptist announced Christ. (Galatians 3:16 & 19, also see… Matthew 11:12-13, Luke 16:16)

If the law worked God would have used it to save us. (Galatians 3:21)

The law was our prison. (Galatians 3:23)

The law makes you a slave like Hagar. (Galatians 4:24)

Ephesians
Christ has abolished the law which was a wall of hostility (Ephesians 2:15)

Philippians
Paul considered everything the law gained him as “skybalon” which is Greek for “poop”. (Philippians 3:4-8)

1 Timothy
The law is only good if used in the right context. (1 Timothy 1:8) (see next verse for the context)

It was made for the unrighteous but not for the righteous. (1 Timothy 1:9-10)

Hebrews
The law is weak, useless and makes nothing perfect. (Hebrews 7:18-19)

God has found fault with it and created a better covenant, enacted on better promises. (Hebrews 8:7-8)

It is obsolete, growing old and ready to vanish. (Hebrews 8:13)

It is only a shadow of good things to come and will never make someone perfect. (Hebrews 10:1)

Do away with the law then there is no sin
1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Do away with sin there is no need for a saviour thus no need for Jesus to have died on the cross for our sins.

I will answer one of the verses above as I do not want to make a long post

It is only a shadow of good things to come and will never make someone perfect. (Hebrews 10:1)

Hebrews 10 King James Version (KJV)
10 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered?

This is the law that Christ fulfilled and did away with the offering of sacrifices (blood of animals).
Remember the curtian in the temple was rent top to bottom at the death of Christ signafying that the the old sacrifice system was complete in the Blood of Christ.

The Royal, Dietary and Civil laws can not have a completion as they are only to be kept by us sinners through our faith in Jesus Christ as he only is perfect and fulfilled them (not doing away with them)

 

[FreeAtLast]

To answer you question I do not know other than they are four distinct issues not a continuation of one issue. Royal, Diet, Civil and Sanctuary.

I just don't see that there are 4 separate Laws, but one.

If I am correct you seperate the Royal law from the other three. So please explain why you do not seperate the other three issues from each other.

I just don't see that anywhere in the Scriptures. it sounds like a teaching, but not Scripture.

 

[HARK!]

Exactly correct, although this version is not an accurate one.

Can you prove your assertion?


Entry for Strong's #2647 - καταλύω

Thayer's Definition

1. to dissolve, disunite
   1. (what has been joined together), to destroy, demolish
   2. metaph. to overthrow i.e. render vain, deprive of success, bring to naught
      1. to subvert, overthrow 1b
   3. of institutions, forms of government, laws, etc., to deprive of force, annul, abrogate, discard
   4. of travellers, to halt on a journey, to put up, lodge (the figurative expression originating in the circumstance that, to put up for the night, the straps and packs of the beasts of burden are unbound and taken off; or, more correctly from the fact that the traveller's garments, tied up when he is on the journey, are unloosed at it end

Strong's #2647 - καταλύω - Old & New Testament Greek Lexicon

 

[FreeAtLast]

Do away with the law then there is no sin
1 John 3:4

Oh right, I totally agree!! However, Yeshua said that He was completing (fulfilling) the Old Covenant Law of Moses, but He did not leave us without sin. He gave us His New Covenant, which according to G-d is not the Old Covenant.

Jeremiah 31:31-34
31 “Behold, the days are coming, declares the L-rd, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the L-rd. 33 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the L-rd: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their G-d, and they shall be my people. 34 And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the L-rd,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the L-rd. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

G-d the Father stated clearly that this NEW Covenant, is not like the Old Covenant Law of Moses. So, it could not be the Law of Moses.

After those days, refers to when Yeshua makes this NEW Covenant. (Luke 22:20)

When G-d forgives our sin (only through Yeshua's blood)
Writes Yeshua's New Covenant commands on our heart (only through the Ruach haKodesh)
then we will be His people.

It was not possible under the Law of Moses (read those verses I posted in a previous comment) that is why Yeshua had to come and die. The Law of Moses never saved anyone, that's why G-d sent Yeshua ha Mashiach.

It is only a shadow of good things to come and will never make someone perfect. (Hebrews 10:1)

Hebrews 10 King James Version (KJV)
10 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered?

This is the law that Christ fulfilled and did away with the offering of sacrifices (blood of animals).
Remember the curtian in the temple was rent top to bottom at the death of Christ signafying that the the old sacrifice system was complete in the Blood of Christ.

The Royal, Dietary and Civil laws can not have a completion as they are only to be kept by us sinners through our faith in Jesus Christ as he only is perfect and fulfilled them (not doing away with them)

Again I understand that you believe there are 4 sets of Old Covenant Laws of Moses, but according to the Scriptures (especially the one quoted here), they do not say that at all. It just says "the law". So, there is no reason to assume that it's anything but ONE Law and it was all fulfilled and completed through Yeshua.

All of the commands in what you call the other 3 sets of Law, are they not in Yeshua's New Covenant, except for Sabbath? SO, there is no need to think all of the Law of Moses has not been completed and fulfilled, yet we have Laws to live by and those are Yeshua's New Covenant commands.

 

[bekkilyn]

I just don't see that there are 4 separate Laws, but one.

I just don't see that anywhere in the Scriptures. it sounds like a teaching, but not Scripture.

The distinctions are not anywhere in the scriptures. They are human-made constructions that serve the purpose of excluding parts of the Mosaic law that aren't convenient to arguments that we are somehow not under the yoke of the Law and yet must still observe laws such as the Sabbath in order to be saved. Basically, these categories allow us to pick and choose the laws we like or dislike.

 

[FreeAtLast]

Post #68 did not address anything about observing the Sabbath in Matthew 5:17-19 specifically. Jesus was speaking about the *entire* Mosaic law that he fulfilled on the cross, and then he went on to provide details on *his* commandments in his Sermon on the Mount, which included not one iota of a mention of observing the Sabbath. Considering how the claim is that observing a Saturday Sabbath is *the* only way into heaven, it is curiously left out of Jesus's teachings and not emphasized at all in any of the epistles of other writings in the New Testament.

You are assuming that Jesus's commandments are the same as the ten commandments of the Old Covenant. You are assuming that every time someone in the New Testament mentions the words "commandments" that they are writing about the ten commandments of Mosaic law rather than Jesus's commandments. Whenever the word "law" is mentioned, you are assuming a division between ten commandments (moral) vs. ceremonial law, and choosing which one best fits your interpretation, rather than acknowledging the Mosaic law as a whole. This is part of what is causing this disconnect on this Sabbath issue.

It's not that people are having trouble with the scripture, but are simply rejecting your particular interpretation of scripture and path to salvation. (Note when I say "you", it's not really intended to be personal, but more about the point of view of where you're coming from.)

Amen, amen amen! Truth. Thank you!

 

[FreeAtLast]

Can you prove your assertion?

You know, I'm still waiting for you to answer what I've posted answering your questions and waiting for you to answer what I've asked and prove your assertions by Scripture.

 

[HARK!]

Many Jewish Christians did continue to follow their Jewish traditions after the cross

Including Paul:

(CLV) Ac 20:6
Yet we sail off from Philippi after the days of unleavened bread, and came to them in Troas until in five days, where we tarry seven days.

(CLV) Ac 20:16
for Paul had decided to sail by Ephesus, so that he may not be coming to linger in the province of Asia, for he hurried, if it may be possible for him to be in Jerusalem by the day of Pentecost.

 

[FreeAtLast]

Including Paul:

(CLV) Ac 20:6
Yet we sail off from Philippi after the days of unleavened bread, and came to them in Troas until in five days, where we tarry seven days.

(CLV) Ac 20:16
for Paul had decided to sail by Ephesus, so that he may not be coming to linger in the province of Asia, for he hurried, if it may be possible for him to be in Jerusalem by the day of Pentecost.

Paul stated that we (he as well) are FREE to observe the Feasts, but no longer obligated. Big difference.

 

[HARK!]

Do you deny that Yeshua is G-d, the 2nd Person of the Tri-unity known as Elohim?

When I said "second person," it was in reference to linguistics.

One entry found for second person.

Main Entry: second person
Function: noun
: a set of words or forms (as pronouns or verb forms) referring to the one to whom the utterance in which they occur is addressed

Definition of second person - Merriam-Webster's Student Dictionary

You know, I'm still waiting for you to answer what I've posted answering your questions and waiting for you to answer what I've asked and prove your assertions by Scripture.

Sorry, I missed that last one. I ask again for you to back up your assertion. If you simply can't; I'll understand. I wouldn't have wanted to make such a bold claim myself.

 

[HARK!]

Paul stated that we (he as well) are FREE to observe the Feasts, but no longer obligated. Big difference.

Who was ever obligated to keep the feasts? Did not YHWH give us the choice between good and evil from the beginning?

 

[HARK!]

You know, I'm still waiting for you to answer what I've posted answering your questions and waiting for you to answer what I've asked and prove your assertions by Scripture.

You failed to respond to these verses, something of the effect that it was to time consuming, if I recall correctly:


(CLV) Mt 7:21
"Not everyone saying to Me `Lord! Lord!' will be entering into the kingdom of the heavens, but he who is doing the will of My Father Who is in the heavens.
(CLV) Mt 7:22
Many will be declaring to Me in that day, `Lord! Lord! Was it not in Your name that we prophesy, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name do many powerful deeds?'

(CLV) Mt 7:23
And then shall I be avowing to them that `I never knew you! Depart from Me, workers of LAWLESSNESS!

(CLV) Mt 13:41
The Son of Mankind shall be dispatching His messengers, and they shall be culling out of His kingdom all the snares and those doing LAWLESSNESS,

 

[HARK!]

Do away with the law then there is no sin
1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Do away with sin there is no need for a saviour thus no need for Jesus to have died on the cross for our sins.

Good stuff.

I've often made a similar argument.

If sin is defined as transgression of the law; and there is no law; then there is no sin; so what need would I have of grace?

 

[bekkilyn]

Including Paul:

Indeed, but not because he is *required* to follow Jewish traditions and law for salvation, but because of his evangelistic strategy. Consider from 1 Corinthians 9:19-23:

"19 For though I am free with respect to all, I have made myself a slave to all, so that I might win more of them. 20 To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews. To those under the law I became as one under the law (though I myself am not under the law) so that I might win those under the law. 21 To those outside the law I became as one outside the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law) so that I might win those outside the law. 22 To the weak I became weak, so that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all people, that I might by all means save some. 23 I do it all for the sake of the gospel, so that I may share in its blessings."

Paul's primary purpose as a missionary apostle is to spread the gospel and win converts to Christ, and practically everything he writes is from that viewpoint.

 

[HARK!]

Indeed, but not because he is *required* to follow Jewish traditions and law for salvation

(CLV) Mt 24:12
And, because of the multiplication of LAWLESSNESS, the love of many shall be cooling.

(CLV) Mt 24:13
Yet he who endures to the consummation, he shall be saved.


(CLV) Mt 7:21
"Not everyone saying to Me `Lord! Lord!' will be entering into the kingdom of the heavens, but he who is doing the will of My Father Who is in the heavens.

(CLV) Mt 7:22
Many will be declaring to Me in that day, `Lord! Lord! Was it not in Your name that we prophesy, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name do many powerful deeds?'

(CLV) Mt 7:23
And then shall I be avowing to them that `I never knew you! Depart from Me, workers~ of LAWLESSNESS!

(CLV) Mt 13:41
The Son of Mankind shall be dispatching His messengers, and they shall be culling out of His kingdom all the snares and those doing LAWLESSNESS,

 

[Doug Melven]

and again..........

Maybe you missed these scriptures about what Jesus and the Apostles taught about God's 10 commandments in the NT? This list is not exhaustive by any means. God's Word says sin is the transgression of God's Law (10 commandments) if we break one we break them all. If you do a word study in sin and righteousness there is way more scripture then is presented here........

Something to to definitely pray and think about for you I guess. See below for starters...........

Jesus taught the 10 commandments…..

1. Jesus kept God’s Law (10 commandments) and said the Law and the prophets would not pass away (Matt 5:17-18)
2. Jesus taught others to follow the 10 commandments (Mark 10:17-21)
3. Jesus taught that Love is the fulfilling (doing) of God’s Law (10 commandments Matt 22:36-40)
4. If we break God’s Law by following man-made traditions we are not following God (Matt 15:3-9)
5. Jesus says if we commit sin we are a servant of sin and he has come to free us from sin (John 8:32-36)
6. Jesus taught if you love God you will keep God’s Law and abide in His Love (John 14:15; 15:10
7. If anyone is breaking any of God’s commandments and teaching others to do so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven <least = lost> (Matt 5:19)
8. No one can obey God’s Law producing the fruit of obedience of ourselves and unless we abide in Jesus we can do nothing (John 15:4-10)

Paul affirms the Ten Commandments……

1. Paul teaches God's people keep the Sabbath Hebrews 4.
2. Paul tells gentiles that "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of GOD" 1 Cor 7:19
3. Paul tells gentiles "it is not the HEARERS of the Law that are just before God but the DOERS of the Law will be justified... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge all mankind" Rom 2:13-16
4. Paul asks that gentiles consider the doctrine of LAW "Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the Law of God" Rom 3:31
5. Paul tells ALL Christians that it is only the lost who will "not subject themselves to the Law of God neither indeed CAN they" Rom 8:6-8
6 Paul reaches all Christians under the NEW Covenant that God's LAW as known in Jer 31:31-33 is "written on the heart and mind" Heb 8:7-11
7. Paul tells all Christians that the OT text is to be used for Doctrine 2Tim 3:16
AND He never claims that "if I did not write it -- it is not scripture for us today" -- as one or two have imagined for us.
8. Paul tells all Christians that the 5th commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise" Eph 6:1-2 and is binding on all Christians.
9. God's Law (10 commandments) are holy, just and good (Rom 7:12)
10. God's Law gives us a knowledge of what sin is (Rom 3:20; 7:7)
11. The penalty of breaking God's Law without Jesus is death (Rom 6:23)
12. If we break God's Law we dishonor God (Rom 2:23)
13. If we sin we are "under the Law" and guilty before God (Rom 3:19)
14. We are saved by faith but our faith establishes the Law in us (Rom 3:31)
15. If we are saved by grace we should not break God's Law (Rom 6:1-7)
16. We should not break God's Law if we are under grace (Rom 6:15)
17. We are to serve the Law of God through the mind because that is where sin starts (Rom 6:17; 7:25; 8:4; 12:2)
18. It is God's Law that brings us to Jesus (Gal 3:24)
19. God's salvation frees us from sin so we can be obedient to God's Law and live a life of holiness (Rom 6:22)
20. We will be judged by God's Law and only those that are obedient will be justified because of their faith (Rom 2:4-13)
21. God's Law can only be obeyed through love and a changed heart which comes by faith in God's Word (Rom 2:21-29; 13:9-10; Heb 8:9-10)
22. If we break God's Law and are in unrepentant sin we will be lost and will received God's judgements (Heb 10:26-27)

John affirms the 10 commandments……

1. John says it is only by keeping God’s 10 commandments that we know that we know God (1 John 2:3)
2. If someone says that they know God and do not keep God’s 10 commandments they are lying and not telling the truth (1 John 2:4)
3. We should purify ourselves as Jesus is pure (1 John 3:3)
4. Sin is the breaking of God’s 10 commandments (1 John 3:4)
5. Whoever is abiding in Christ does not commit sin (1 John 3:6; John 15:4-10)
6. If you are in unrepentant sin you have not seen Jesus or know him (1 John 3:6)
7. John warns us that only those that are obedience to God’s Law are his true followers (1 John 3:7)
8. If someone is committing unrepentant sin they are following the devil and not God (1 John 3:7)
9. If you are born of God and abiding in him you will not commit sin (1 John 3:9; 1 John 3:6; John 15:4-10
10. It is the keeping of God’s commandments that is the difference between those that are following God and those that are not following God (1 John 3:10; 1 John 5:3)
11. It is only by Love through faith that we can keep God’s commandments (1 John 5:3-4)
12. God’s true believers in the end days will keep all of God’s commandments through faith in Jesus (Rev 14:12; 22:14)

James also affirms the 10 commandments…….

1. James says God’s Law (10 commandments) are a Royal Law (James 2:8)
2. If we break one of God’s commandments we a guilty before God as sinners breaking all of God’s Law and gave some examples of breaking God’s Law (James 2:9-11)
3. James says God’s Law is a law of liberty and freedom (James 2:12)
4. The 10 commandments (God’s Law) are the standard in the judgment (James 2:12)
5. If our faith does not have the fruit of obedience to God’s Law it is dead and not true faith (James 2:16-26)

Peter affirms the 10 commandments……..

1. Sanctification is to obedience to God’s Law (1 Pet 1:2)
2. We can only be changed from sin to obedience to God’s Law by the power of God and it will be revealed in the last days (1 Pet 1:5)
3. We should give up our sins to be holy because Jesus is holy (1 Pet 1:13-16)
4. Jesus is your example who did no sin (1 Pet 2:21-22)
5. Cease from sin and do not live in the flesh (1 Pet 4:1-3)
6. Judgement will begin at the house of God and sinners (those breaking God’s 10 commandments) will not be saved.
7. God has given us his precious promises and as we believe them God will grant us his divine power to live a life of Godliness (obedience to God’s Law; 2 Pet 1:2-4)
8. The Un-Godly (disobedient to God’s Law) will be like Sodom and Gomorrah (2 Pet 2:6)
9. If any turn away from God’s Law and are in unrepentant sin breaking any of God’10 commandments they will be lost (2 Pet 2:20-22)
10 God is not willing that any should perish but that everyone should come to repentance and turn away from sin to follow God’s 10 commandments because those that do not will receive the judgements of God (2 Pet 3:5-14)

What did Jesus and the Apostles teach about the Sabbath in the New Testament?

1. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
2. Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind (Mark 2:27)
3. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28)
4. If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4)
5. It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all (James 2:8-12)
6. Breaking it is sin (1 John 3:4)
7. God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded (Rev 14:12; Rev 22:14; Eze 20:20)
8. Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; 1 Cor 11:1; Eph 5:1-21; Pet 2:20-22)
9. The Apostle kept the Sabbath (Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)

So yep seems like a lot of scripture in the NT alone about God's 10 commandments.....................

God’s Law in the NC is written on our hearts it is through love and it is love the fulfils God’s Law in us as we walk not after the flesh but after the spirit and is why Jesus says f you love me keep my commandments. (John 14:15; John 15:10). If we knowingly break one of God’s commandments we commit sin (1 John 3:4). This includes the 7th Day Sabbath which Jesus made for us and commands us to keep as a holy day.

Sunday worship is a tradition of man that breaks the commandments of God (the fruit of love). Many have forsaken God's 4th commandment and in place of Sunday worship. In times of ignorance God winks at but when a knowledge of the truth has come calls all men everywhere to repent and believe His Word.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of man or the Word of God?. Jesus says if we follow the traditions of man over the Word of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we believe God or man?

That is just two posts seems like a lot of scripture don't you think?

Hope this helps.

Some of what you say about these Scriptures you quote is true.
Under Jesus taught the 10 Commandments
1. Jesus actually said the law would not pass away till all was fulfilled.
Did Jesus not come to fulfill the law? Did He fail to fulfill the law?
2. This young man thought he was righteous, so Jesus gave him the law to expose his sinfulness and need for a Savior.
7. Grace teachers don't tell anyone to break the law. But that the Holy Spirit is the better way.
As I follow Him, the righteous requirement of the law is fulfilled. How is "Least IN the Kingdom of Heaven" equal to lost? They are still IN the kingdom.

Under Paul affirms the Commandments
1. He is equating what God said about the seventh day to the Promised land. They could not enter His rest because of unbelief.
3. You can only be justified by the law, if you keep the whole law. If you don't keep all of it, you are cursed.
4. Why didn't you include 3:28 with that statement? Justified without the deeds of the law.
5. Those who are in the flesh cannot please God. If you study Romans 7 you will see that trying to keep the law is to be in the flesh.
7. All Scripture, not just the OT. But, the law was not written for the righteous. 1 Tim 1:8-9
9. God;s law is holy, just and good. It has no power to make a believer holy, just and good.
It can only tell you of your sinful state and condemn you.
13. Here is the full verse. It does not say at all what you said it does.
Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
18. God's law is our tutor to bring us to Jesus. Once we are in Christ, we are no longer under the tutor.
See the verse 25.
21. We can only love others if we have a changed heart through faith. Let the Holy Spirit love others through you, and the law will be kept.
22. We are all doomed, if what you say here is true. Also, Paul just quoted Jeremiah saying God would notJoh
remember our sin. 2 Cor 5:21, He does not impute sin to a believer.
Every single sin you commit is an act of your will. Nobody sins on accident. Otherwise God's promise in 1 Cor 10:13 would be a lie.
Under John affirms the 10 commandments.
1. Where does it say "10" in that Scripture? You just assume that he means the 10 commandments.
He is referring to Jesus commands in John 13 :34-35. 2 John 5
4. Again, where do you see "10"?
6. Where do you see "unrepentant"? If you read the whole passage, you will see a believer can not sin, because God is in him.
8. Where do you see "unrepentant"?
Under James affirms the 10 Commandments
1. Royal law is to love your neighbor as yourself. If you do that, the 10 commandments will be fulfilled.
If you are in a coma, you will be keeping the 10 commandments. But not the Royal law.
3. The 10 Commandments are not about liberty and freedom, but condemnation and bondage
2 Cor 3:6-9, Gal 4:24
4. See previous point
Under Peter affirms the 10 commandments
6. Sinners in this context are those who are born in sin. Just because you sin, does not make you a sinner.
No more than if you spend the night in a garage are you a car. God does not judge us what we are by our actions, but by our relationship with Jesus Christ.
9. I have no idea how you got that statement out of this.
2:20
For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2:21
For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2:22
But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
Maybe you are referring to "Holy commandment" If that is so, then no one can be saved, because every single person on Earth, breaks the 10 Commandments every day of there life. Where would you go, if you committed a sin and died before you were able to repent?
10. This phrase is definitely not in this Scripture.
"turn away from sin to follow God’s 10 commandments"
Repentance means to "Change your mind" from the Greek metanoia.
Even Jesus underwent the Baptism of Repentance. If repentance was about turning from sin, why was Jesus baptized. Because He was giving up on His own ability to keep the law. After His baptism, He relied on the Spirit to keep the law through Him. Showing His faith. God said He was well pleased with Jesus after His baptism. Heb 11:6
Under What did Jesus and the Apostles teach about the Sabbath in the New Testament?
2. Grievous misquotation of Scripture.
And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
4. See what I wrote above, Paul affirms the 10 commandments note 1.
5, 6, 7. Thank God we are not under 10 commandment law, but under grace.
8. Jesus was still under the Old Covenant, which we are not. We are under the New Covenant that Jesus died to give us. See Romans 7:1-4, we are dead to the law.
That was a lot of Scriptures LoveGodsWord took out of context. A lot of assumptions were made like thinking that anytime he saw "law" or "Commandment" it was referring to the 10 Commandments.
Here is an link taken from an sda website.
History's Greatest Religious Cover Up - UCHURCH
I do not believe they are right, but this is what they believe.

 

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When I said "second person," it was in reference to linguistics.

One entry found for second person.

Main Entry: second person
Function: noun
: a set of words or forms (as pronouns or verb forms) referring to the one to whom the utterance in which they occur is addressed

Definition of second person - Merriam-Webster's Student Dictionary






Sorry, I missed that last one. I ask again for you to back up your assertion. If you simply can't; I'll understand. I wouldn't have wanted to make such a bold claim myself.

 

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Who was ever obligated to keep the feasts? Did not YHWH give us the choice between good and evil from the beginning?

Anyone who reads the Scriptures knows that the Jewish people were obligated to keep the Law of Moses (including the Feast days) or die. Yes, quite the obligation.

 

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Sylvester I (314-337 A.D.) was the pope during the reign of Constantine. Here is what he thought of the Bible Sabbath:

"If every Sunday is to be observed joyfully by the Christians on account of the resurrection, then every Sabbath on account of the burial is to be execration [loathing or cursing] of the Jews."--quoted by S. R. E. Humbert, Adversus Graecorum calumnias 6, in Patrologie Cursus Completus, Series Latina, ed. J.P. Migne, 1844, p. 143.

"The Church, on the other hand, after changing the day of rest from the Jewish Sabbath, or seventh day of the week, to the first, made the Third (fourth) Commandment refer to Sunday as the day to be kept holy as the Lord's Day." --The Catholic Encyclopedia Topic: Ten Commandments, 2nd paragraph

"We have made the change from the seventh day to the first day, from Saturday to Sunday, on the
authority of the one holy,"The Pope has the power to change times, to abrogate (abolish) laws, and to dispense with all things, even the precepts of Christ." "The Pope has the authority and often exercised it, to dispense with the command of Christ." -Decretal, de Tranlatic Episcop. Cap. (The Pope can modify divine law.) Ferraris' Ecclesiastical Dictionary. catholic, apostolic church of Christ." --Episcopalian Bishop Seymour said in "Why We Keep Sunday."