Confessing Sin!

[shaheem white]

Dear shaheem white. In Matthew 22: 35-40: Jesus told us: " The first and great Commandment is: Love God with all thy hearts, with all thy souls, and with all thy minds. The second is like it: love thy neighbour as thyself." God is Love, and God wants loving sons and daughters. Love is very catching, and Love covers all wrongs. Let us ask God to help us be God`s loving men and women.
The Bible tells us: give up all selfish and unloving words and deeds, ask God to help us to be His loving and caring boys and girls. Matthew 7: 7-10: tells us to ask and to receive, let us ask God for Love, then thank God and start loving all we know and all we meet. God will see our loving and caring, and God will BLESS us greatly. Jesus died that we might live a loving and caring life, that we love and teat all we know and all we meet as we would love to be treated. Love is very catching, and before we know we are the men and women which God wants. I have said it all before, shaheem, why not try it? Jesus will lead us all the way: JESUS IS THE WAY. God is Love, and God wants loving sons and daughters to live eternity with. I say this with love, and send greetings. From Emmy, your sister in Christ.

sister, your post is great, but it is really off of the topic. we are having a discussion. Nobody is acting out of Hate or any negative emotions. Your digging a little to deep into something thats not there. Have a blessed day

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

There is nothing wrong in my post. your playing semantics, I'm saying When you accept jesus Christ as your Lord and savior you are a new creation in Christ and you are forgiven! now as a born again Christian when you confess your sins it's not to get forgiveness because you already received forgiveness. You confess your sins a way of acknowledging them before God, you repent and Thank God for the the blood of Jesus when gave you access to that forgiveness. Now if you choose to confess and every day ask God to forgive you "that's fine" but my point is your asking to receive something that was already given to you... That was my point. you started talking about born again, accepting christ etc... You went left field

Bro idk how much simplier I can make this for you.


1. I addressed a total misconception of new birth...you are not a new crreature in christ JESUS by some prayer that was randomly manifest for some apparent reason.. (acts 2:38, mark 16:16, 1 peter 3:21, acts 10, acts 8:12-18, acts 19:1-6 etc.) repentence, baptism, Holy ghost reception not a prayer that only makes him a Savior and not LORD.



2. You have access to the blood of JESUS only once you you receive that 3 step process btw 3 represents completion in the bible. Jesus even said to pick up a cross and follow me... sure this is free but there’s a transition that must be made.

Crusifiction (repentence), burial (baptism), Ressurection (Holy Ghost reception)

(acts 2:38, matthew 16:24, romans 6:1-4, Mark 8:34).
It's clearly a free gift but a gift you must accept through acts 2:38

The word faith even stems from the greek word pistis that means to be reliable, dedicated, and converted..... it's not just belief or acceptance of a God but acting on that belief hence acts 2:38.


3. I posted scriptures clearly suggesting that that something isn't already given to you and even after being saved you must confess sins if you commit anymore that was on topic in regards to confessing sins and seeking forgiveness even after being saved.

 

[shaheem white]

I don't think you do know the truth, and I would strongly recommend you do before you attempt to teach it.

Jesus taught us how to pray with the lords prayer, the lords prayer includes "forgive us". So, of course we are to ask for forgiveness, that is unless we don't believe what Christ told us..

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I finally realized why all of you are so lost as to what I was saying. My post is referring to "Position forgiveness" and all of you are battling me about "relational forgiveness". What I'm saying is in regards to 1 john 1:9 What this verse tells us to do is “confess” our sins to God. The word confess means to agree with. When we confess our sins to God, we are agreeing with God that we were wrong, that we and have sinned. Now the question is, How does this work if all of our sins are forgiven the moment we receive Christ as Savior? What I should of explained first is that what the apostle John is describing here is “relational forgiveness." All of our sins are forgiven “positionally” the moment we receive Christ as Savior. This positional forgiveness guarantees our salvation and promise of an eternal home in heaven. When we stand before God after death, God will not deny us entrance into heaven because of our sins. That is positional forgiveness. The concept of relational forgiveness is based on the fact that when we sin, we offend God and grieve His Spirit (Ephesians 4:30). While God has ultimately forgiven us of the sins we commit, they still result in a blocking or hindrance in our relationship with God. A young boy who sins against his father is not cast out of the family. A godly father will forgive his children unconditionally. At the same time, a good relationship between father and son cannot be achieved until the relationship is restored. This can only occur when a child confesses his mistakes to his father and apologizes. That is why we confess our sins to God—not to maintain our salvation, but to bring ourselves back into close fellowship with the God who loves us and has already forgiven us.

Bro idk how much simplier I can make this for you.


1. I addressed a total misconception of new birth...you are not a new crreature in christ JESUS by some prayer that was randomly manifest for some apparent reason.. (acts 2:38, mark 16:16, 1 peter 3:21, acts 10, acts 8:12-18, acts 19:1-6 etc.) repentence, baptism, Holy ghost reception not a prayer that only makes him a Savior and not LORD.



2. You have access to the blood of JESUS only once you you receive that 3 step process btw 3 represents completion in the bible.

Crusifiction (repentence), burial (baptism), Ressurection (Holy Ghost reception)

(acts 2:38, matthew 16:24, romans 6:1-4, Mark 8:34)



3. I posted scriptures clearly suggesting that that something isn't already given to you and even after being saved you must confess sins if you commit anymore. It's clearly a free gift but a gift you must accept through acts 2:38

The word faith even stems from the greek word pistis that means to be reliable, dedicated, and converted..... it's not just belief or acceptance of a God but acting on that belief hence acts 2:38

Bro idk how much simplier I can make this for you.


1. I addressed a total misconception of new birth...you are not a new crreature in christ JESUS by some prayer that was randomly manifest for some apparent reason.. (acts 2:38, mark 16:16, 1 peter 3:21, acts 10, acts 8:12-18, acts 19:1-6 etc.) repentence, baptism, Holy ghost reception not a prayer that only makes him a Savior and not LORD.



2. You have access to the blood of JESUS only once you you receive that 3 step process btw 3 represents completion in the bible.

Crusifiction (repentence), burial (baptism), Ressurection (Holy Ghost reception)

(acts 2:38, matthew 16:24, romans 6:1-4, Mark 8:34)



3. I posted scriptures clearly suggesting that that something isn't already given to you and even after being saved you must confess sins if you commit anymore. It's clearly a free gift but a gift you must accept through acts 2:38

The word faith even stems from the greek word pistis that means to be reliable, dedicated, and converted..... it's not just belief or acceptance of a God but acting on that belief hence acts 2:38

God Bless you.. what new birth is was never my point, what are you talking about saint?. your going into a theology study on the concept of new birth, I was never addressing what new birth is. the point was as a "Born again" Christian you are forgiven and need not to ask God everyday for something you already received. Now was I clear "No" that's why you need to read my new post and see what I meant. God Bless you

 

[Kenny'sID]

It would have added value had you shown where anyone has stated your remark: anyone who says we are saved by nothing but "saying" we have faith is looking for the easy way out, and chooses his own convenient truth, not that of God/Christ. would you please show that, I would like to see that post and see their other comments. Thanks

I stated my remark...what do you mean?

 

[Kenny'sID]

1. I addressed a total misconception of new birth...you are not a new crreature in christ JESUS by some prayer that was randomly manifest for some apparent reason.. (acts 2:38, mark 16:16, 1 peter 3:21, acts 10, acts 8:12-18, acts 19:1-6 etc.) repentence, baptism, Holy ghost reception not a prayer that only makes him a Savior and not LORD.

2. You have access to the blood of JESUS only once you you receive that 3 step process btw 3 represents completion in the bible. Jesus even said to pick up a cross and follow me... sure this is free but there’s a transition that must be made.

Well put. We must accept the free gift and adhere to it all our lives. Carry our cross and work out out salvation in fear and trembling.

Hebrews10:36 For you need endurance in order to do God’s will and so receive what is promised.

 

[iwbswiaihl2]

 

[iwbswiaihl2]

I stated my remark...what do you mean?

After reading your last post again, I see you are talking about the asking for forgiveness and not the point that you could not go more than 5 minutes without sinning, that is what I was answering, sorry about that! As for my claiming what He has already done for me that is walking in faith, I just confess the sin thanking Him and move on. If that doesn't work for another, that is up to them. I have never said otherwise. But am sorry I miss read your point.

 

[Kenny'sID]

I finally realized why all of you are so lost as to what I was saying.

But we aren't lost at all, there are several things wrong with what you are teaching here.

You say we don't need to ask forgiveness of sin, I show you where Jesus says we do, and unless I missed something, you seem to have allowed yourself to be oblivious to that fact, as if you are no longer able to see it. You can't ignore what is biblical.

Two questions. 1) Answer this....If what you say is true, why does Jesus say otherwise when teaching the lords prayer in Matthew 6:9-13?

God will not deny us entrance into heaven because of our sins.

Of course he will, and I post these again, several warnings where exactly that is covered by scripture. They are undeniable they are there for those who teach as you do, and for those who listen to what you teach....they too cannot be ignored.

Question 2) You tell me, can we as Christians do the sins in the following verses and still get into heaven without asking forgiveness/repenting of them?

1 Cor 6:9-10 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor homosexual offenders, nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were.

Gal 5:19-21 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Eph 5:3-6 But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people. Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. For of this you can be sure: No sexually immoral, impure or greedy person—such a person is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them.

Rev. 22:12-16 “Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”

 

[Kenny'sID]

After reading your last post again, I see you are talking about the asking for forgiveness and not the point that you could not go more than 5 minutes without sinning, that is what I was answering, sorry about that! As for my claiming what He has already done for me that is walking in faith, I just confess the sin thanking Him and move on. If that doesn't work for another, that is up to them. I have never said otherwise. But am sorry I miss read your point.

Think nothing of it.

 

[shaheem white]

But we aren't lost at all, there are several things wrong with what you are teaching here.

You say we don't need to ask forgiveness of sin, I show you where Jesus says we do, and unless I missed something, you seem to have allowed yourself to be oblivious to that fact, as if you are no longer able to see it. You can't ignore what is biblical.

Two questions. 1) Answer this....If what you say is true, why does Jesus say otherwise when teaching the lords prayer in Matthew 6:9-13?



Of course he will, and I post these again, several warnings where exactly that is covered by scripture. They are undeniable they are there for those who teach as you do, and for those who listen to what you teach....they too cannot be ignored.

Question 2) You tell me, can we as Christians do the sins in the following verses and still get into heaven without asking forgiveness/repenting of them?

1 Cor 6:9-10 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor homosexual offenders, nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were.

Gal 5:19-21 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Eph 5:3-6 But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people. Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. For of this you can be sure: No sexually immoral, impure or greedy person—such a person is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them.

Rev. 22:12-16 “Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”

The problem is you have your own idea of what you think i mean. you need to read my newest post. Because so many understood where i was coming from except the ones who like to debate. so just read my new post

 

[Kenny'sID]

The problem is you have your own idea of what you think i mean. you need to read my newest post. Because so many understood where i was coming from except the ones who like to debate. so just read my new post

Will you answer the 2 questions please?

 

[shaheem white]

Will you answer the 2 questions please?

I answered both of your questions, that's why I asked you to read my newest post, because I cleared up what I meant by my post. but i'll say it again to you.. you referenced the book of matt and my post applies to that scripture as well.. here is what i posted and this is my answer to your questions.

As a Man of God I wanna apologize for not being clear in one of my posts. Some of you understood where I was coming from but some didn't and that's why I'm addressing it again because I want us all to be on the same page. I am a humble Man and If i'm wrong I will admit it. I was not wrong in what I posted but I was not as clear as I should have been. I posted that as a Born again Christian we are forgiven by the Blood of Christ and we do not have to keep asking God everyday for forgiveness because He has already forgiven us. Now I left it there, which is what caused the misunderstanding. And again I am sorry. I was referring to "Positional Forgiveness" The scripture that was referenced by another brother was 1 john 1:9. So let me say this. What this verse tells us to do is confess our sins to God. The word confess means to agree with. When we confess our sins to God, we are agreeing with God that we were wrong, that we have sinned. what John is describing here is “relational” forgiveness, I was speaking of positional forgiveness. All of our sins are forgiven “positionally” the moment we receive Christ as Savior. This positional forgiveness guarantees our salvation and promise of an eternal home in heaven. When we stand before God after death, God will not deny us entrance into heaven because of our sins. That is positional forgiveness. The concept of relational forgiveness is based on the fact that when we sin, we offend God and grieve His Spirit (Ephesians 4:30). While God has ultimately forgiven us of the sins we commit, they still result in a blocking or hindrance in our relationship with God. I'll give you this example, A young boy who sins against his father is not cast out of the family. A godly father will forgive his children unconditionally. At the same time, a good relationship between father and son cannot be achieved until the relationship is restored. This can only occur when a child confesses his mistakes to his father,apologizes and repents. That is why we confess our sins to God—not to maintain our salvation, but to bring ourselves back into close fellowship with the God who loves us and has already forgiven us. I pray that this clears things up.... Again I am sorry saints

 

[shaheem white]

Greetings my brothers and sisters in Christ. I come to you in Love and in the power of the Holy Spirit. There is a issue in the church today that I need to address and i'm asking for your views (backed by scripture of course). After you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and you like 2 Cor 5:17 states "Become new" do you still confess your sins to God seeking forgiveness? I know the truth, I just wanna see what others have to say on the topic....

As a Man of God I wanna apologize for not being clear in one of my posts. Some of you understood where I was coming from but some didn't and that's why I'm addressing it again because I want us all to be on the same page. I am a humble Man and If i'm wrong I will admit it. I was not wrong in what I posted but I was not as clear as I should have been. In a I asked if a Born again Christian forgiven by the Blood of Christ have to keep asking God everyday for forgiveness? My position was No because He has already forgiven us. Now I left it there, which is what caused the misunderstanding. And again I am sorry. I was referring to "Positional Forgiveness" The scripture that was referenced by another brother was 1 john 1:9. So let me say this. What this verse tells us to do is confess our sins to God. The word confess means to agree with. When we confess our sins to God, we are agreeing with God that we were wrong, that we have sinned. what John is describing here is “relational” forgiveness, I was speaking of positional forgiveness. All of our sins are forgiven “positionally” the moment we receive Christ as Savior. This positional forgiveness guarantees our salvation and promise of an eternal home in heaven. When we stand before God after death, God will not deny us entrance into heaven because of our sins. That is positional forgiveness. The concept of relational forgiveness is based on the fact that when we sin, we offend God and grieve His Spirit (Ephesians 4:30). While God has ultimately forgiven us of the sins we commit, they still result in a blocking or hindrance in our relationship with God. I'll give you this example, A young boy who sins against his father is not cast out of the family. A godly father will forgive his children unconditionally. At the same time, a good relationship between father and son cannot be achieved until the relationship is restored. This can only occur when a child confesses his mistakes to his father,apologizes and repents. That is why we confess our sins to God—not to maintain our salvation, but to bring ourselves back into close fellowship with the God who loves us and has already forgiven us. I pray that this clears things up.... Again I am sorry saints

 

[lettuce]

While God has ultimately forgiven us of the sins we commit, they still result in a blocking or hindrance in our relationship with God.

Works righteousness hinders a relationship with God, not on God's part but on those self-righteous. If a believer confesses sins and asks for forgiveness of sins in order to bring themselves closer to or to please God, they have put themselves under the Old Covenant.

 

[iwbswiaihl2]

The Lord knows every heart and their motives, even though people may think they know what others meant. At least, that is my position. 0

 

[Kenny'sID]

I answered both of your questions, that's why I asked you to read my newest post, because I cleared up what I meant by my post. but i'll say it again to you..

The questions were designed to see where you were at, you said you answered them but you did anything but. You may think the answers are somewhere in your post but my guessing what they are, are one confusing way of trying to make your point and a sure way of keeping this unclear.

I cannot understand what's up hence go any further with this until you answer the simple questions with simple answers.

And you don't need to apologize for giving your opinion, or speaking what you understand is the truth. Being bold with the truth is fine, just be sure it is that first.

 

[shaheem white]

Works righteousness hinders a relationship with God, not on God's part but on those self-righteous. If a believer confesses sins and asks for forgiveness of sins in order to bring themselves closer to or to please God, they have put themselves under the Old Covenant.

I agree, what I'm saying is and I thought I made it quite clear when A born again believer goes to God in confession it's not to receive forgiveness because we already have it. But we still have to confess. why? example: at the end of the day I evaluate my day and I see that there was things i did that i could of done better and there are also things that I did that i wasn't proud of so I confess that to God, Not because I fear my salvation is at stake but because I know it was wrong and i ask God to strengthen me in those areas and what that does is it strengthens my relationship with my father, knowing that I can go to Him with these things and not feel like i'll be condemned.

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

I get your position now I disagree with it still but I understand it now appreciate the clarification.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Works righteousness hinders a relationship with God, not on God's part but on those self-righteous. If a believer confesses sins and asks for forgiveness of sins in order to bring themselves closer to or to please God, they have put themselves under the Old Covenant.

I get so tired of being told I'm bad if I try to obey God as I'm commanded to. I've never met anyone who thought they were going to work their way to heaven.

Did you read the lords prayer, the one Jesus taught, the one where we are to ask forgiveness? Can you comment on how that can be? Are you saying the man who IS the New Covenant, is teaching the old covenant?

Your turn for the inevitable question to your comment

Read the following and simply tell me if we do not do the works described, can we still get to heaven? Simple question, simple answer from familiar scripture. somethng that makes things crytal clear one way or the other.

Matthew 25:31-46King James Version (KJV)
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

 

[shaheem white]

I get your position now I disagree with it still but I understand it now appreciate the clarification.

There is nothing wrong with you disagreeing with me lol. I don't say what I say with the expectation of anyone agreeing with me. My approval comes from God not man. I love you saint. you have a great day brother... thanks for your input