Conditional Immortality Supports Annihilationion, Refutes Eternal Conscious Torment and Universalism

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God created gods, we usually call them angels. (but angel actually means messenger).

No, God did not create "gods". God created angels, called them angels, called them other things, but not gods.


The nations were divided among the gods (not among 'the sons of Israel') and God chose His people: Israel.

Division? Not an issue with me.
Divided "gods" - eh, not buying that.

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No, God did not create "gods". God created angels, called them angels, called them other things, but not gods.
Depends on the source material and translations.
It seems you missed the point though..
Division? Not an issue with me.
Divided "gods" - eh, not buying that.
I'm not selling. ;^)

Deuteronomy 32

8 When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance,
when he divided mankind,
he fixed the borders of the peoples
according to the number of the sons of God.
9 But the Lord’s portion is his people,
Jacob his allotted heritage.

In Psalms 82 this is confirmed:

1 God has taken his place in the divine council;
in the midst of the gods he holds judgement:
2 “How long will you judge unjustly
and show partiality to the wicked?
 
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I didn't see, what you did not post. The actual verses. You gave a paraphrase of the verses. So what is your complaint?
I didn't go look up the verses you didn't post?
or you think I am in contention with your paraphrasing? If so, how so? God Bless,
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A paraphase often clarifies words and puts it in words that are more easily understood.
You do not have to look up a verse that I post, it is highlighted in blue and all you have to do it click on it and it will show the verse dircet froom the Bible. You didn't answer what I posted about the smoke that goes up and is consumed into nothing. Isaiah 9:18; Isaiah 34:10; Hosea 13:3
 
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Then who does if it were true?

It's a punishment. Punishments are not commissions. Punishments are carried out.
We do not have punishments/penalties, without foreknowledge. The commission of an offense, is the individuals choice to commit the offense, and receive the punishment or not.

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It's a punishment. Punishments are not commissions. Punishments are carried out. We do not have punishments/penalties, without foreknowledge. The commission of an offense, is the individuals choice to commit the offense, and receive the punishment or not. God Bless, SBC
2 Thessalonians 1:9, who will pay a penalty of destruction everlasting... [DARBY]
 
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Depends on the source material and translations.
It seems you missed the point though..I'm not selling. ;^)

Deuteronomy 32

8 When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance,
when he divided mankind,
he fixed the borders of the peoples
according to the number of the sons of God.
9 But the Lord’s portion is his people,
Jacob his allotted heritage.

In Psalms 82 this is confirmed:

1 God has taken his place in the divine council;
in the midst of the gods he holds judgement:
2 “How long will you judge unjustly
and show partiality to the wicked?

Yes. The promised land - to Abraham - is the same land;

from Abraham to his son Isaac,
from Isaac to his son Jacob,
from Jacob, renamed, Israel, to his 12 sons,
Reuben,
Simeon,
Judah,
Isachar,
Zebulun,
Benjamin,
Dan,
Naphtali,
Gad,
Asher,
Ephraim,
Manasseh
whom such 12 were called the 12 Tribes OF Israel.

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SBC
 
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Yes. The promised land - to Abraham - is the same land;

from Abraham to his son Isaac,
from Isaac to his son Jacob,
from Jacob, renamed, Israel, to his 12 sons,
Reuben,
Simeon,
Judah,
Isachar,
Zebulun,
Benjamin,
Dan,
Naphtali,
Gad,
Asher,
Ephraim,
Manasseh
whom such 12 were called the 12 Tribes OF Israel.

God Bless,
SBC
This has little to do with what i showed you.
 
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It's a punishment. Punishments are not commissions. Punishments are carried out.
We do not have punishments/penalties, without foreknowledge. The commission of an offense, is the individuals choice to commit the offense, and receive the punishment or not.

God Bless,
SBC
You're evading the question.
 
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A paraphase often clarifies words and puts it in words that are more easily understood.
You do not have to look up a verse that I post, it is highlighted in blue and all you have to do it click on it and it will show the verse dircet froom the Bible. You didn't answer what I posted about the smoke that goes up and is consumed into nothing. Isaiah 9:18; Isaiah 34:10; Hosea 13:3


Oh, oh well, I'm not computer savvy, and didn't know.

Ok, the smoke...

Isaiah 9:18 is burning the earth surface, the dead, brush, things on the earth. temporary.

Isaiah 34:10 is the rising smoke "from hell", released from hell to the earth's surface on an island. The land will inhabit, some wild animals, but no humans. The fiery brush, and smoke shall rise forever.

Hosea 13:3 is those in the fire, from which the smoke is rising.

Rev15 [11] And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

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2 Thessalonians 1:9, who will pay a penalty of destruction everlasting... [DARBY]

Angels who reject God remain alive in everlasting fire, smoke from their torment shall rise forever.

Men who reject God, shall have life departed from their body and soul, and forever their body and souls destroyed.

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Angels who reject God remain alive in everlasting fire, smoke from their torment shall rise forever.

Men who reject God, shall have life departed from their body and soul, and forever their body and souls destroyed.
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The only way they could remain alive would be if they were immortal and if they were immortal, fire or nothing could hurt them. Get real, this is 2017, not the middle ages. No goblins, no witches, no devil, no fallen Angels.
 
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The question now would be why you ignore what i showed you.
You're free to either reply or not, of course.

I can show you the entire scripture. What about it? Comment on it, ask something about it.

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The only way the could remain alive would be if they were immortal and if they were immortal fire or nothing could hurt them. Get real, this is 2017, not the middle ages. No goblins, no witches, no devil, no fallen Angels.
Are you serious??
 
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The only way the could remain alive would be if they were immortal and if they were immortal fire or nothing could hurt them. Get real, this is 2017, not the middle ages. No goblins, no witches, no devil, no fallen Angels.

Angels, heavenly or fallen never die! Being the year 2017 and mankind measuring their IQ, doesn't set man on high, simply because he declares he is! If you do not believe there is a devil or fallen angels, they have already won you over, because you will not, as well, recognize or believe their deceptive cunningness to lead you on a wide and seemingly fun filled path.

And BTW, I didn't say hurt, I said torment. The fire is not to hurt them, like feeling pain. It is to purify them and it is the confinement that is the torment, which is to keep them from reeking havoc upon the earth. I have read nothing that says their power is diminished. However Gods Power is always greater to keep them confined.

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The only way they could remain alive would be if they were immortal and if they were immortal, fire or nothing could hurt them. Get real, this is 2017, not the middle ages. No goblins, no witches, no devil, no fallen Angels.

BTW - forgot to mention. A mortal is something that IS subject to death. That does not apply to an angel or spirits. A man is a mortal because HE IS, subject to death. And when a man "puts on immortality", he is thereafter, no longer subject to death.

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Angels, heavenly or fallen never die! Being the year 2017 and mankind measuring their IQ, doesn't set man on high, simply because he declares he is! If you do not believe there is a devil or fallen angels, they have already won you over, because you will not, as well, recognize or believe their deceptive cunningness to lead you on a wide and seemingly fun filled path.

And BTW, I didn't say hurt, I said torment. The fire is not to hurt them, like feeling pain. It is to purify them and it is the confinement that is the torment, which is to keep them from reeking havoc upon the earth. I have read nothing that says their power is diminished. However Gods Power is always greater to keep them confined.
God Bless,
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Better if you have your track shoes on, but a renewing of the mind might help. 1 Corinthians 9:24; Romans 12:2
 
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I continue to remember that you've provided no reply to your false claim of support by name-dropping church fathers without providing any quotes, nor your feeble attempt to discredit my legitimate quotes from them merely by claiming not to recognize them. I also am awaiting a reply to my detailed in-context explanations of the Biblical phrases you misquoted completely out of context; your attempt to entirely evade answering by pointing out that I quoted without providing references is noted but disregarded as hypocritical (since I was responding to you quoting without providing references).

You have made no point about anything I have posted except some version of "I'm right and you're wrong! Am too! Nuh huh!"

You're stooping to lie about this debate by saying that kind of thing. I've made many points.

My point here is that your argument fails unless you provide evidence for your claim that:

If the Jews were wrong, when Jesus taught about man’s eternal fate, such as eternal punishment, He would have corrected them. Jesus did not correct them, thus their teaching on hell must have been correct.

The evidence you've provided shows that the Jews in AD 600 (the archaeological date of the document you provided) believed in gehenna as a place of destruction, torment, and salvation. That evidence fails to support your argument specifically because it's WAY too late to show anything about Jesus' contemporaries. More importantly it doesn't support your argument because you claim the Jews were "correct," but the evidence you offer shows the Jews who believe that document disagree with you about Gehenna. Either way your evidence doesn't prove your claims.

Then, you claimed to deal with my point about the dating of the Talmud:

As for the dating of the Talmud.

There you offer evidence provided by a modern webpage about Judaism. But even if the author of that webpage was correct about everything, and the Rabbinic Jews he's quoting were right about everything (and I completely disagree), you fail to see that he's writing about the Mishnah, not the Talmud. You got the wrong document. The Mishnah doesn't include any of the text you quoted.

So my complaint against you isn't foggy or vague. I'm not claiming you're saying "nothing". I'm pointing out that you're WRONG about the evidence you've cited. Directly factually wrong, and on matters which are materially important to your argument.

You can prove that you're right by showing that my points are WRONG. You can't do that by lying that I haven't said anything except "Am too, nuh huh", or that they're "opinions."
 
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Better if you have your track shoes on, but a renewing of the mind might help. 1 Corinthians 9:24; Romans 12:2

Why? I'm not the one challenging scripture.

BTW
mortal defined: a human being subject to death

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