Question about the flood

[joshua 1 9]

But how can you tell which YouTube prophets are false and which true?

You read the Bible and make sure they do not contradict the Word of God. We do not need man to teach us, we have the Holy Spirit of God to guide us and lead us into the truth. Still it is interesting to see what God is going in the lives of our fellow Christians and it is exciting that He is showing them what He is showing us. God tells us what He is going to do before He does it and then after He tells us what HE did.

 

[Astrophile]

Then show me the containment wall that surrounded Mesopotamia at the time.

(For the sake of your junk science, I'll pretend Noah lived in Mesopotamia ... not New Jersey ... just to make your task easier. [Not that it's going to get me an honest answer.])

If you look at an atlas, you will see that there is a high containment wall to the east and north of Mesopotamia, namely the Zagros Mountains and the mountains of south-eastern Turkey, and a containment ramp to the west formed by the plateau of Saudi Arabia, western Iraq and eastern Syria.

If you also Google something like 'Mesopotamia floods' or 'Tigris-Euphrates floods' you will learn that Mesopotamia has been subject to destructive floods throughout recorded history. These have been due to snow-melt in the mountains and to heavy rain. Sediment brought down from the highlands by the rivers would have been deposited in the delta, blocking the outflow channels to the Persian Gulf and forming a natural dam or 'containment wall' to the south that obstructed the normal drainage and left Lower Mesopotamia as a lake for months after the original deluge. There is no need for a supernatural cause to explain the events described in Genesis 7-8.

By the way, do you know what the name 'Mesopotamia' means? (Hint: it's a Greek word.) If you do know, or when you find out, you should have no difficulty in deducing the cause of the flood.

 

[Subduction Zone]

If you look at an atlas, you will see that there is a high containment wall to the east and north of Mesopotamia, namely the Zagros Mountains and the mountains of south-eastern Turkey, and a containment ramp to the west formed by the plateau of Saudi Arabia, western Iraq and eastern Syria.

If you also Google something like 'Mesopotamia floods' or 'Tigris-Euphrates floods' you will learn that Mesopotamia has been subject to destructive floods throughout recorded history. These have been due to snow-melt in the mountains and to heavy rain. Sediment brought down from the highlands by the rivers would have been deposited in the delta, blocking the outflow channels to the Persian Gulf and forming a natural dam or 'containment wall' to the south that obstructed the normal drainage and left Lower Mesopotamia as a lake for months after the original deluge. There is no need for a supernatural cause to explain the events described in Genesis 7-8.

By the way, do you know what the name 'Mesopotamia' means? (Hint: it's a Greek word.) If you do know, or when you find out, you should have no difficulty in deducing the cause of the flood.

Here is an excellent article on what may have inspired the flood stories of the area:

Yes, Noah's Flood May Have Happened, But Not Over the Whole Earth | NCSE

The problem is that it will not support the Noah's Ark Myth. It may have killed many people locally, but it had very little effect on the human population as a whole.

 

[Wakalix]

You read the Bible and make sure they do not contradict the Word of God. We do not need man to teach us, we have the Holy Spirit of God to guide us and lead us into the truth. Still it is interesting to see what God is going in the lives of our fellow Christians and it is exciting that He is showing them what He is showing us. God tells us what He is going to do before He does it and then after He tells us what HE did.

How do you know which book contains the word of God?

 

[joshua 1 9]

How do you know which book contains the word of God?

The original Hebrew. No one added to what God gave Moses so I go back to see what Moses tells us. Although he may only give us three words and later on there will be three chapters to explain the meaning of those three words that God gave to Moses.

God watches over His word. That is why we have to be very careful the words we use. I like to joke around about things but sometimes I have to be careful not to.

Jeremiah 1:12
"The LORD said to me, "You have seen correctly, for I am watching to see that my word is fulfilled."

2 Chronicles 16:9
"For the eyes of the LORD run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to shew himself strong in the behalf of them whose heart is perfect toward him. "

 

[joshua 1 9]

The problem is that it will not support the Noah's Ark Myth. It may have killed many people locally, but it had very little effect on the human population as a whole.

There are many Edens on land and under the sea. The difference with the Garden of Eden is that Adam was a son of God. The Creator somehow became a part of His Creation.

This is why Paul tells us that the Gentiles are adopted into the family of God. They are not natural born the way the descendants of Adam and Eve are. In fact we are told that at the end of this age or era there will only be 144,000 that are pure and undefiled. 12,000 from each tribe. During the tribulation period when the Church is removed from the world.

 

[Subduction Zone]

There are many Edens on land and under the sea. The difference with the Garden of Eden is that Adam was a son of God. The Creator somehow became a part of His Creation.

This is why Paul tells us that the Gentiles are adopted into the family of God. They are not natural born the way the descendants of Adam and Eve are. In fact we are told that at the end of this age or era there will only be 144,000 that are pure and undefiled. 12,000 from each tribe. During the tribulation period when the Church is removed from the world.

Then why can't you find any?

And you still are going against what your hero Collins believes. He does not appear to believe the mythical parts of the Old Testament at all.

 

[Kylie]

Getting ready to run away I see. Doesn't bother me. Here are the 3 Universes:

1. Adam's firmament, which God called "Heaven" was made on the 2nd Day by GOD the Trinity and immersed in water. Gen 1:6-8 KJV
2. The present "Heaven/Universe" was made on the 3rd Day by Lord God/Jesus. Gen 2:4 KJV.

This means that one Heaven made on the 2nd Day equals one.
Add to that Heaven the other HeavenS (Plural) which were made on the 3rd Day and it comes up to at least 3 Heavens or Universes within the Multiverse. Amen?

You don't understand what the word "universe" actually is, do you...

Of course, it's not the first time religious people have co-opted scientific words to give themselves an appearance of authority. Funny how they get their authority by pretending to be scientific, almost like science is a good way to get things right...

 

[Aman777]

You have not answered my question. Which animals were on the Ark that were not already present on this earth? Specifically. Lions but not tigers? Kangaroos but not possums?

You should really take a good long look at your theory and your claims about it if you can't answer this simple question.

Scripture does not specifically say which animals were on the Ark, according to the current classification system of men. What you are asking should be an object of scientific study but godless Science rejects God's Truth. Noah's grandsons were inside their parents on the Ark but they brought Adam's superior intelligence, which is like God's, Gen 3:22 to this planet of the common ancestor of Apes. Amen?

 

[Aman777]

Then how do you explain the fact that different Christians interpret the Bible differently?

It's one of the most convincing evidences of God's superior intelligence. God insured that ONLY by Faith, which is a Gift of God, could one be saved. IOW, one must convince God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit of his belief before he can be saved...and remember that God is incapable of error. Amen?

 

[Aman777]

The people that interpret the Bible certainly aren't perfect, are they? Or do you claim to have perfect knowledge of what God intended as the correct interpretation of His Word?

No, but I post of the AGREEMENT of Scripture, Science and History. That is as close as Humanly possible to understanding God's Truth. That is WHY no one here can refute (prove wrong) my views...including you. Amen?

 

[Aman777]

I'm not asking about the real world that most of us live in. I'm asking about Aman777's version of reality, in which Adam and Eve's "universe" was hidden under Lake Van in Turkey.

Correction, Adam's metallic firmament was small when compared to Earth's boundaries, since it was only some 7-8 miles in diameter, had only 4 Rivers Gen 2:10 which all came from a single source. The mountains on Adam's Earth were covered with water when the flood reached a depth of 22.5 feet. Gen 7:20 After the windows on top of the firmament were opened, and it rained for 40 days and nights, the firmament sank, releasing the 450 ft Ark into our world. Adam and Eve's Universe/firmament is STILL in the bottom of the Lake providing empirical evidence of life from BEFORE the big bang. Amen?

 

[Aman777]

But if you want a more specific refutation, by all means. You are saying "if you disagree, that just means you can't understand. [Therefore any disagreement with X must be incorrect, therefore X is true.]" (Bracketed parts implied.) But I could argue that, say, Harry Potter is fundamentally and necessarily true, and if you don't understand how that could be true, you simply don't understand the full truth of Harry Potter. The whole point of an argument is that it can support truthful claims better than false claims, and so a good argument for a claim suggests that the claim is true. So if your argument works just as well on any claim you can imagine, it does not actually work as an argument.

Comparing a man made book to God's Holy Word shows that God told us the Truth about unbelievers in this verse.

1Co 2:14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.

 

[Aman777]

You don't understand what the word "universe" actually is, do you...

Of course not since my mind is totally uneducated when compared to your great knowledge. Why don't you explain the Cosmos with it's 100 Billion Galaxies with 100 Billion Stars each? Tell me how it was made 13.8 billion years ago and WHO caused the Big Bang...IF you think you can. I think your knowledge is limited, but like Trump, you had rather bamboozle that to inform.

*** Of course, it's not the first time religious people have co-opted scientific words to give themselves an appearance of authority. Funny how they get their authority by pretending to be scientific, almost like science is a good way to get things right...

Science is good WHEN we are speaking of our small Cosmos but it gets more complicated when you realize that God made at least 3 Universes within our Multiverse before the 3rd Day ended. Want Scripture?

 

[Wakalix]

The original Hebrew. No one added to what God gave Moses so I go back to see what Moses tells us. Although he may only give us three words and later on there will be three chapters to explain the meaning of those three words that God gave to Moses.

How do you know that the original Hebrew Old Testament is the word of God?

God watches over His word. That is why we have to be very careful the words we use. I like to joke around about things but sometimes I have to be careful not to.

So God prevents mistranslations and such?

Jeremiah 1:12
"The LORD said to me, "You have seen correctly, for I am watching to see that my word is fulfilled."

2 Chronicles 16:9
"For the eyes of the LORD run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to shew himself strong in the behalf of them whose heart is perfect toward him. "

Okay, but if the Bible isn't factually correct, that doesn't mean anything. You can't use the Bible to show that the Bible is true, or that the Bible is watched over by God to ensure its veracity. That's a circular argument.

 

[Wakalix]

Comparing a man made book to God's Holy Word shows that God told us the Truth about unbelievers in this verse.

1Co 2:14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.

You still don't get it! You're saying, "oh, he made a flawed argument, I knew that you'd do that, God told me you'd do that, you're only saying that because you don't understand." You're still making the same mistake! It is not intellectually honest to dismiss all criticism in that way.

You've stacked your beliefs so that they all support each other in a circle, defending themselves untiringly against all evidence. There's really not much more I can say to someone like that.

As for a response to your argument itself, this is just special pleading.

 

[Kylie]

Of course not since my mind is totally uneducated when compared to your great knowledge. Why don't you explain the Cosmos with it's 100 Billion Galaxies with 100 Billion Stars each? Tell me how it was made 13.8 billion years ago and WHO caused the Big Bang...IF you think you can. I think your knowledge is limited, but like Trump, you had rather bamboozle that to inform.

*** Of course, it's not the first time religious people have co-opted scientific words to give themselves an appearance of authority. Funny how they get their authority by pretending to be scientific, almost like science is a good way to get things right...

Science is good WHEN we are speaking of our small Cosmos but it gets more complicated when you realize that God made at least 3 Universes within our Multiverse before the 3rd Day ended. Want Scripture?

And here we see the, "If science can't explain it perfectly, then science must be wrong, and therefore my religious viewpoint is right" approach to debate.

BTW, if you don't know how to use the quote tags, I'll be happy to show you.

 

[Aman777]

1Co 2:14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.

You still don't get it! You're saying, "oh, he made a flawed argument, I knew that you'd do that, God told me you'd do that, you're only saying that because you don't understand." You're still making the same mistake! It is not intellectually honest to dismiss all criticism in that way.

You've stacked your beliefs so that they all support each other in a circle, defending themselves untiringly against all evidence. There's really not much more I can say to someone like that.

As for a response to your argument itself, this is just special pleading.

Then it should easy for you to refute it Scripturally, Scientifically and Historically. I see nothing but your insistence that you know more than God. Just as you were born into this world, you MUST be born again Spiritually IF you wish to understand God's Holy Word and enter the next world. It's YOUR choice. God Bless you

 

[Aman777]

And here we see the, "If science can't explain it perfectly, then science must be wrong, and therefore my religious viewpoint is right" approach to debate.

BTW, if you don't know how to use the quote tags, I'll be happy to show you.

If you don't like the way I post, it's nothing more than a mental diversion from the FACT that you cannot challenge me scientifically, historically or Scripturally. Your false assumption that I think Science is wrong is ridiculous since I support what I post with Scientific facts, which you have failed to refute. Perhaps you could go to the Evol Bible found in Talk Origins and find help. I've also refuted their foolishness, but they are too ignorant to understand. Amen?

 

[Jimmy D]

1Co 2:14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.

Ever considered that that might apply to you?

Then it should easy for you to refute it Scripturally, Scientifically and Historically. I see nothing but your insistence that you know more than God. Just as you were born into this world, you MUST be born again Spiritually IF you wish to understand God's Holy Word and enter the next world. It's YOUR choice. God Bless you

People have refuted your "theology" scripturally, scientifically and historically since the first time you posted it and every time you've posted it since.