What is a pro-choice Christian?

[Anguspure]

Pro-choice is a deceptive term used by abortion supporters to reframe the killing of unborn babies as an individual right.

People who identify as pro-choice typically vote for left-leaning political parties that want to implement high taxes on people who make good money. To force a successful person to hand over 50% or 60% of his salary to the government is very anti-choice. People should have the right to choose what they do with their own money without the government confiscating most of it.

Why do pro-choice believers say that women have a right to choose an abortion, but think that rich people should not have the right to choose what to do with most of their money? If the pro-choice crowd were honest, their views on choice would be consistent. But they are far from consistent.

In a sense we are all "pro-choice" Christians in that all men have a choice between obedience to God or not obeying God.
What we are not is "consequence free" because there is always a consequence for our actions and the consequence of sin is death.
So in respect of abortion of course we are pro-choice, everybody has a choice every day. But in a civilization that agrees with the Creator the consequence for abortion will be the same as for any taking of a human life that is murder.

 

[MoonlessNight]

Murder is unlawful killing.

Including killing that violates God's law.

 

[Wolf_Says]

There were these two college students, one a paraplegic and the
other a quadriplegic. Both lived in my dorm at school. Both got
pregnant. One had her child and the other was pretty sure she
could not carry to term or raise a child so she had an abortion.

One was run over by a truck as a child and the other had arthritis
and had been using an electric wheelchair since age 9.
One eventually had three children, and the other none.

One was a missouri synod Lutheran, the other attended a local Catholic church.

I realize that pro-life people are already asleep by now becasue
they have no interest in the backstory lives of these ladies.

Because it DOES NOT MATTER.

The fact is this, these women got pregnant. They had sex, whether unprotected or protected, and got pregnant.

No matter what their backstories are, the simple fact is now there is a new human life in the picture that also needs to be considered. If there were risks, those should always be taken into consideration prior to engaging in sex.

Pregnancy is a possible consequence to having sex, such is life.

So why should the unborn suffer for something they had no control in?

Facts dont care about feelings.

 

[SkyWriting]

So why should the unborn suffer for something they had no control in?

We all must suffer from influences that we all have no control over.

The unborn have no control over any of their circumstances
for about 15 years or so. No choice in parents, income, health
country...anything.

And the true suffering only begins at birth, for all of us.
About half suffer and die in the womb. You seem unconcerned
about them becasue they are not your pet peeve.
It would be great if we could let them know, you have no
concern for them, this week.

 

[ambc]

Murder is unlawful killing.

You say abortion isn't really murder because it is legal.

It was legal for Nazis to murder Jews when Hitler was in power. According to your logic, the Holocaust wasn't murder because it was legal.

 

[mark kennedy]

I'm a pro-choice Christian, in the first trimester. By the 11th week everything that defines us as human is functional. As far as being a Christian, you are a Christian when the Holy Spirit tells you you are. As far as politics the chair of the DNC has said there is no room in our party for pro-life, to that I say nonsense. To the contention that no Christian can be pro-choice, same response.

 

[GirdYourLoins]

I think a pro-choice Christian is a Christian who has been deceived by Satan into thinking a human being isnt a human being until they reach a particular point in development. I believe that when God said He knew us in the womb it means He knew us from conception. Look up the number of times it talks about conception in the Bible and it shows it is important. That is the point that life begins. Anyone who is pro-choice is supporting deliberately killing a human that would otherwise live. To me that is murder and I believe that when God judges them He will take the support of murdering millions and possibly billions of babies into account.

I know there are times when it may be justified but for me it would only be where the mother And baby would die if the pregnancy continued, and I know a Christian couple who had to make that choice. BUt even then they said it was difficult to deliberately kill their child.

The question in my mind is not why they are pro choice, but how do they justify thinking that a baby is not a baby until it is exactly a 12 week old foetus or whatever age it is they suddenly think it is a life. Why does one day make a difference on it being murder or not? If a day doesnt, what about a week?

 

[parousia70]

I don't feel that the government should support abortion, either through support for Planned Parenthood, ... or for insurance coverage for abortion.

Then you must be opposed to our government Supporting the Sate of Israel, which has one of, if not the, most liberal "abortion on demand" policies of any modern nation.

Any female Israeli 15 years old and up can get an abortion at any time, for any reason, paid for in Full by the Israeli Government.

What is a pro-choice Christian you ask?

Easy, NOT.A.CHRISTIAN.

Good day.

Therefore, since a Pro Israel Christian = Pro Choice Christian, he/she too, in your view, is NOT.A. CHRISTIAN.

Gotcha.

 

[SkyWriting]

Because it DOES NOT MATTER.

Just so you know, these ladies are your neighbors or your children.
Galatians 5:14 The entire Law is fulfilled in a single decree: "Love your neighbor as yourself."
Romans 13:8 Be indebted to no one, except to one another in love, for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the Law.

 

[GirdYourLoins]

Then you must be opposed to our government Supporting the Sate of Israel, which has one of, if not the, most liberal "abortion on demand" policies of any modern nation.

Any female Israeli 15 years old and up can get an abortion at any time, for any reason, paid for in Full by the Israeli Government.



Therefore, since a Pro Israel Christian = Pro Choice Christian, he/she too, in your view, is NOT.A. CHRISTIAN.

Gotcha.

Thats pure lies. Israel only allows abortion up to 24 weeks if the pregnancy fits into the reasons allowed and is approved by a committee. Please stop spreading Anti-Semitic lies on here and do your research, to help here is the Israeli government page on it

https://www.health.gov.il/English/Topics/Pregnancy/Abortion/Pages/default.aspx

 

[SkyWriting]

I think a pro-choice Christian is a Christian who has been deceived by Satan into thinking a human being isnt a human being until they reach a particular point in development.

Or they are your neighbors.
Or your children.

 

[SkyWriting]

I know there are times when it may be justified but for me it would only be where the mother And baby would die if the pregnancy continued, and I know a Christian couple who had to make that choice. BUt even then they said it was difficult to deliberately kill their child.

The back story is not supposed to have any relevance at all.
Don't be a softy.

 

[SkyWriting]

To me that is murder and I believe that when God judges them He will take the support of murdering millions and possibly billions of babies into account.

God always considers the heart and not the deed.

 

[Oldmantook]

God will stop you. If you live by the sword you will die by it. What you do to others will be done to you. It's the law.

However my comment was about taking away your right to choose.....not stopping you from continuing to commit crimes after you have decided that you want to continue doing them.

It seems that you have a belief of morality and if you can force them on others, you will do whatever is in your power to do so.

I, for one, wouldnt want to be confined by the thoughts of others.....so i try not to push mine on others as well.

Im sure you can think of other religions that have rules you wouldnt want forced on you.......so why is it ok for you to force your rules on others? Have you deemed yourself more moral than others and therefore have the right....when others...not so much?

It appears that you believe in moral relativity which is totally unbiblical as your anthropomorphic world view does not conform with the theocentric world view that Scripture teaches.

 

[disciple1]

Pro-choice is a deceptive term used by abortion supporters to reframe the killing of unborn babies as an individual right.

People who identify as pro-choice typically vote for left-leaning political parties that want to implement high taxes on people who make good money. To force a successful person to hand over 50% or 60% of his salary to the government is very anti-choice. People should have the right to choose what they do with their own money without the government confiscating most of it.

Why do pro-choice believers say that women have a right to choose an abortion, but think that rich people should not have the right to choose what to do with most of their money? If the pro-choice crowd were honest, their views on choice would be consistent. But they are far from consistent.

People who identify as pro-choice typically vote for left-leaning political parties that want to implement high taxes on people who make good money

People who identify as pro-choice typically vote for left-leaning political parties that want to implement high taxes on people who make good money

People who identify as pro-choice typically vote for left-leaning political parties that want to implement high taxes on people who make good money

That's one way to make it possible for a women to have a child, if she doesn't have money to pay for it.

What good is money anyway, God doesn't value it, only lovers of money do.


Habakkuk chapter 2 verse 13
Has not the LORD Almighty determined that the people's labor is only fuel for the fire, that the nations exhaust themselves for nothing?
Jeremiah chapter 51 verse 58
This is what the LORD Almighty says: "Babylon's thick wall will be leveled and her high gates set on fire; the peoples exhaust themselves for nothing, the nations' labor is only fuel for the flames."

 

[Marvin Knox]

Playing devil's advocate, ... a pro-choice person, at the least, ... is one who does not want punish other women for choosing to have an abortion.
OTOH, even Jesus was willing to "Render unto Caesar ... "

A pro choice Christian is one who apparently doesn't know when human life begins.

It isn't really spiritual rocket science to figure out from the scriptures which trimester Jesus became fully God and fully man.

It was at conception in case anyone is wondering.

Any more questions pro choicers?

Now stop grieving the Holy Spirit.

 

[Wolf_Says]

We all must suffer from influences that we all have no control over.

The unborn have no control over any of their circumstances
for about 15 years or so. No choice in parents, income, health
country...anything.

And the true suffering only begins at birth, for all of us.
About half suffer and die in the womb. You seem unconcerned
about them becasue they are not your pet peeve.
It would be great if we could let them know, you have no
concern for them, this week.

I love this!

You seem to think that by trying to yank on my heart strings you will change my mind.

fact: Abortion is murder.

Fact: Murder is against the 10 commandments

Facts dont care about feelings.

Just so you know, these ladies are your neighbors or your children.
Galatians 5:14 The entire Law is fulfilled in a single decree: "Love your neighbor as yourself."
Romans 13:8 Be indebted to no one, except to one another in love, for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the Law.

I can indeed love my neighbor without having to care about their backstory. However, once you try and use a backstory as evidence for the need for abortion, you not only lose all ground in the argument, but also my attention.

Lets use facts to talk about abortion shall we? Instead of the feelings of others which hold zero ground in the debate.

A human being is murdered. That is a fact.

Therefore, since a Pro Israel Christian = Pro Choice Christian, he/she too, in your view, is NOT.A. CHRISTIAN.

Gotcha.

So because A has F, if B supports A, therefore B also supports F.

Sorry, no. Supporting the Holy Land and the birthplace of Christianity is not the same as supporting abortion.

If a Christian supports Canada, which has laws that will get you thrown in jail for "sexists, homophobic, or transphobic remarks" means that therefore they must support the suppression of free speech. By your logic that is.

See how that makes no sense?

 

[Winken]

A Pro-choice christian, I guess would be a christian who believes that people have the right to use the free will God gave them. God doesn't force anyone to do anything, like most christian say when asked about why we go to hell. So why would a Christian try force their will on anyone else.....via shame, ridicule, law or any other method?

A Christian should withdraw, remain silent, in the face of the horror of abortion? No.

 

[DamianWarS]

Pro-choice is a deceptive term used by abortion supporters to reframe the killing of unborn babies as an individual right.

People who identify as pro-choice typically vote for left-leaning political parties that want to implement high taxes on people who make good money. To force a successful person to hand over 50% or 60% of his salary to the government is very anti-choice. People should have the right to choose what they do with their own money without the government confiscating most of it.

Why do pro-choice believers say that women have a right to choose an abortion, but think that rich people should not have the right to choose what to do with most of their money? If the pro-choice crowd were honest, their views on choice would be consistent. But they are far from consistent.

I see isolating "pro-choice" as representative of one issue that should not mixed with taxing the rich. The "choice" part does not extended to other issues within left-leaning politics even if only left-leaning politics value pro-choice they are still separate issues.

the "left" side tends to be more socialist which is probably why the rich are taxed high. But you're confused on how tax works as you are only taxed from your income earned within a certain tax bracket. so if the high tax bracket (50%) starts at $100,000 and you make $100,001 then $1 of your income is taxed at 50%.

 

[Winken]

Then you must be opposed to our government Supporting the Sate of Israel, which has one of, if not the, most liberal "abortion on demand" policies of any modern nation.

Any female Israeli 15 years old and up can get an abortion at any time, for any reason, paid for in Full by the Israeli Government.



Therefore, since a Pro Israel Christian = Pro Choice Christian, he/she too, in your view, is NOT.A. CHRISTIAN.

Gotcha.

Good grief..... how far can this be stretched? Christianity has nothing to do with nationalism.